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Mac OS X "Tiger" Server Previewed

Remaining unmentioned in Steve Jobs' keynote speech at WWDC today are the many updates to the Server cousin of Mac OS X. As with the Panther Server release, Tiger Server will focus on open source, Windows, and ease of use. A preview DVD was, as with Tiger client, given out to WWDC attendees. Tiger will include some new content server options, including blojsom, a Java-powered "blog" server, which was inspired by Rael Dornfest's bloxsom.

It also adds a Jabber server that provides the option of serving iChat. SSL/TLS and Kerberos can be added for security. A single Tiger iChat client can have chats running on multiple servers, so a user can be on the main iChat server, while having private chats on a company server. Because it is Jabber, non-iChat (and non-AIM) clients can participate too.

Tiger Server also works to make network setup even easier with Internet Gateway Setup Assistant. In Panther Server, setting up a network with DNS, DHCP, NAT, firewall, and port mapping was easier than most other platforms, but still required a good deal of manual configuration, and separate configuration of each service. The Setup Assistant will provide single-button setup of it all.

A Software Update Server can cache and control Apple software updates. So once you're satisfied that the new OS update won't delete home folders, you can OK it for your users to download; and they won't take up your Internet bandwidth, because the server cached it.

Mobile Home Directories allows a mobile user to sync his home directory with a central server, backing it up and allowing an admin to manage it.

A new Windows migration tool will allow Windows admins to migrate from Windows-based servers. Tiger Server can act as a Primary Domain Controller for a Windows network, and the tool will migrate user and group account from an existing Windows PDC into Open Directory 2 and Samba 3.

Tiger Server will retain the pricing structure of the previous versions: $500 for the 10-client edition and $1000 for the unlimited client edition (the number of clients referring only to simultaneous file sharing clients).

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  1. Jabber by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I find it interesting (and cool) that Apple seems to be throwing their weight behind Jabber.

    But one question I have is this: What market is currently being targetted by the OS X Servers? I see some posts on all the general email lists I am on (PostgreSQL anyway), but not too many, leading me to conclude it is a niche market. Any thoughts?

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    1. Re:Jabber by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What market is currently being targetted by the OS X Servers?

      Life sciences, for one. Apple has always had a stronghold in that area (at least academics) and I know of several companies that are selling server based products which initially ran on Linux or a unix variant that are now running on OS X.

    2. Re:Jabber by stilwebm · · Score: 5, Informative

      What market is currently being targetted by the OS X Servers?

      Someone else mentioned life sciences. They also seek the K-12 Academic markets where it's hard to employ a full time network admin to set up Active Directory, Exchange Server, etc. The same applies for small businesses, those who are likely to prefer the idea of one server does all (or most) of the services they need, especially email and file sharing. Another big market (almost the cliche Apple niche) is the creative market, from media agencies to smaller publishers to design/creative departments at larger companies. Often these organizations don't employ a full time admin, leaving that to outside companies and a designated person within the group. In the case of a creative department within a larger company, they often have a disconnect between the rest of the company (being on Macs while the rest of the company is on PC, for example) along with different needs.

      leading me to conclude it is a niche market

      As Apple adds more features to OS X server, they hope to please their existing niches while making it apparent to others that they can easily configure a complex server without having to rely on Microsoft. They get the stability and security associated with open source plus the ease of use from Apple.

    3. Re:Jabber by afish40 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I currently administer a private school running 10.3 Server on an Xserve G4. I'm very much looking forward to these new features, such as Mobile Home Directories. Currently, we're going to implement third-party alternatives for backing up the student's files (they all have iBooks they can take home), but this looks to be a much better solution.

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    4. Re:Jabber by linuxelf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Publishing industry has been mostly Macintosh oriented for a long time. I work for a large metropolitan newspaper, and we really love the new G5's, and the stability and ease of management offered by OS X. We used to have quite a few file servers that ran on Windows with Extreme Z-IP for appletalk file sharing. Now, we've migrated all of them to OS X with Samba for Windows sharing.

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    5. Re:Jabber by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      , leading me to conclude it is a niche market. Any thoughts?

      I'd be kidding you if I told you it wasn't. How it's actually being used, of course, only Apple's Sales manager knows--but I can tell you the target market:
      • Graphic dept skunkworks--they need a fileserver for their Macs and some PCs. Apple does fileserving really well; 500MB a minute over AFP.
      • Schools who need management of low needs users, but the security has to be pretty tied down. By "low-needs", I mean no App serving, etc.
      • Designed for SOHO users--have an office of 6? Want business email, brochure-ware web site, some collab share points? Throw an Xserve in and forget the licensing.
      • Also, Apple is trying to get more and more into the HPC space, with Xgrid, Xsan, XRaid, and Cluster Node Xserves. Some sucess with this; I think there's quite a few 12-node clusters sititng in corner someplace, and all IT knows about them is that they have one less IP to give out.

      Still niche, yes: they don't run 10,000 employees with Workgroup Manager, for example. But it serves as a good fileserver when a the extra workstations just can't quite keep up, or when the workgroup uses Macs for whatever reason and needs a server to help them work better amongst themselves (without necessarily involving IT).
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    6. Re:Jabber by psbrogna · · Score: 2

      I received my xServer G5 w/OS X yesterday. I work at a small publishing company that has a fishbowl full of about 10 servers 3-4 yr old servers running a mix of BSD, RedHat and MS Windows Server. All but 1-2 of these servers will be replaced by the xServer, simplifying server maintenance/admin tasks. The only reason that 1-2 will remain behind is because of a few apps that will require MS SQL. The xServer came with all the pieces that we were using under various *ix OS's; Apache, mySQL, PHP, Cyrus IMAP, Samba, LDAP, etc. I'm very bullish at how this will simplify things and reduce the number of hours spent administrating the server infrastructure. Not to mention the reduced load on our HVAC plant.

    7. Re:Jabber by Qbertino · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But one question I have is this: What market is currently being targetted by the OS X Servers?

      The zero-fuss-open-source-aware,-non-x86-crappiness, fully-unix-compliant all-top-notch-reference-grade-quality open-source-goodies-preinstalled and operational out-of-the-box-with-two-mouseclicks-maximum market.

      Gues how long it takes me to have phpCMS or Typo running on Mac OS X? Or any other MySQL/PHP/Apache Webapp? Something between 30 seconds and a minute. Try that with any other Computer. Now they come with a jabber server and a java based oss blogger and a ton of other features that makes everyone who knows what these features mean drool.

      I'd say the market for OS X Servers is pretty healthy and in for some steep and steady growth.
      All I can say is I'm sold. If there is any project due that requires me to deliver a server, Apple is going to be the first place I'm going to look.

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    8. Re:Jabber by mbbac · · Score: 2

      iChat has been using the Jabber protocol for their Rendezvous enabled chat since it was released. I keep hoping they'll support external Jabber servers too.

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    9. Re:Jabber by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Small, overworked, data centers.

      I run an IT department with 4 people to service 200 users, an AS/400 based finance system, 30 ticket stations, 4 MSSQL databases, a retail store, 2 remote locations, in-house email, web services, and NT domain services. And when we aren't doing that, we are setting up a network for a traveling show that's coming in, or a for a rental.

      We just bought a bunch of them to take over for our gaggle of Dell boxes that are EOL. We wanted 24 hour warm-body support. We wanted to be able to pre-buy spare parts. We wanted something off the shelf that pretty much used all the software we use today. (Postfix, MySQL, Samba.)

      We will still use Gentoo on x86 for all our front-line stuff. (DNS, firewall, web serving) but we have 2 servers that have to be up, rain or shine, and stay running with a minimum of disruption for 3 years at a time. Gentoo is great, but new versions of stuff breaking our site configurations almost cost me my job on a few occasions.

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    10. Re:Jabber by bluepinstripe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As the parent post said, life sciences. I work for a large government life sciences research institue, and about half of our total computer base is Macs. There are a lot of labs that use older G4s as if they were servers, and will probably upgrade to X servers over time. Given the general level of ease of use and "reliablity" of our Microsoft equipment--which mirrors my experience pertty much everywhere I have ever worked--these labs would never accept a Microsoft solution.

    11. Re:Jabber by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Panther Server makes an excellent general-purpose small business server. I set one up for a friend a few weekends ago. It's their directory server, provides DHCP, runs a web server, hosts the company's mail (installing SpamAssassin was the usual pain in the ass, but I see now that it's included in Tiger Server), is their FTP server, supports VPN connections via IPsec, and provides file services via AppleShare, NFS, and SMB. It's also their database (with FileMaker Pro, but Oracle or PostgreSQL or Sybase would work too) and their scheduling hub (MeetingMaker).

      And it's all running on a 500 MHz Power Mac G4.

      I don't know about targeting that market, but it's a great solution for that market.

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    12. Re:Jabber by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Apple does fileserving really well; 500MB a minute over AFP.

      You must be talking about old-fashioned 100BASE-T. Over Gigabit, I usually see about 40 MB/s, and I suspect that the limiting factor there might be the hard drive in our server. (We don't have a RAID attached, just an internal disk for our non-critical day-to-day work.)

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  2. Licensing by Fubar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    (the number of clients referring only to simultaneous file sharing clients)


    To further refine this explanation, the licensing is based on the number of AFP (Apple's filesharing protocol) connections. Unlimited web, ftp, and in previous versions unlimited windows SMB connections. I haven't noticed if this changes with 10.4.
  3. Namig Convention by someguy456 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc

    How many felines are left? Even including "cat" and others, they are bound to run out, aren't they?

    Maybe for OS 11 (OS X1?) they will start doing canines or something... Wolf, Coyote, Bear?

    1. Re:Namig Convention by Exiler · · Score: 4, Funny

      They should use monkeys, then the name supply would be nearly infinate. Gibbon, Lemur, Ape, Bush...

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    2. Re:Namig Convention by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They used Puma and Cheetah already. For 10.1 and 10.0.4, I think.

      So we have, Lynx, Caracal, Serval, Ocelot, Leopard, Lion, Bobcat left from a quick look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae

    3. Re:Namig Convention by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are still quite a few left

      Cat
      Ocelot
      Bobcat
      Lynx
      Puma
      Cougar
      Leopard
      Lion

      That ought to do for a few more years.

    4. Re:Namig Convention by kevcol · · Score: 5, Funny

      So we have, Lynx, Caracal, Serval, Ocelot..

      How do you titillate an ocelot?

      You oscillate it's tit alot!

    5. Re:Namig Convention by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc

      How many felines are left? Even including "cat" and others, they are bound to run out, aren't they?

      Maybe for OS 11 (OS X1?) they will start doing canines or something... Wolf, Coyote, Bear?


      They'll probably just pick up a copy of O'Reilly's "Animal Naming Conventions".

    6. Re:Namig Convention by cobe98 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Technically an ape is not a monkey with the most recognisable different being the size, lack of a tail and intelligence. The great apes include gorillas, orangutans, chimps. Bush would not qualify under this definition.

    7. Re:Namig Convention by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Funny

      They'll probably just pick up a copy of O'Reilly's "Animal Naming Conventions".
      That's an excellent idea. After, all, O'Reilly really knows its cats.

      Building Cocoa Applications has a Mastiff
      Cocoa IAN has a Irish Setter.
      Inside .Mac has Eskimo Huskies
      Learning Carbon has bloodhounds
      Unix for MacOSX Panther has an Alaskan Malamute.
      MacOSX for Unix Geeks has a hyena.
      and MacOSX Unwired has a ...dog collar.

      Hey wait a a minute!

    8. Re:Namig Convention by crossconnects · · Score: 2, Informative

      trademarks only apply to the industry to which it applies. Automotive trademarks don't apply to computers.

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    9. Re:Namig Convention by Kardnal · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are still quite a few left:

      ...
      Lynx
      Puma
      Cougar
      ....

      Ummmm, they've already used that one. It was 10.1

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    10. Re:Namig Convention by bewbs · · Score: 5, Funny

      I for one can't wait for OS X Pussy. Optimized for pr0n!

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    11. Re:Namig Convention by bonaldi · · Score: 2

      well, Jaguar was never sold as Jaguar in the UK (it had the print on the box, but in all branding it was Mac OS X 10.2) because of a complaint from Jaguar cars.

    12. Re:Namig Convention by momerath2003 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I cannot believe you left off Steve "Monkey Boy" Ballmer!

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    13. Re:Namig Convention by Shinglor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe for OS 11 (OS X1?)...

      Er, that would be OS XI, it's a Roman numeral.

  4. Re:Blogs by kevcol · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude- you gotta check out my blog on that very subject!

  5. Not the same. by Apiakun · · Score: 3, Informative

    Did you catch the first few words of the blurb? "Remaining unmentioned".

    As much as I'd love to jump on the "dupe" bandwagon, the previous slashdot article did not mention these Tiger 'server' updates (comments notwithstanding.)

    Thanks for the update.

  6. Important part of any Windows migration by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can I migrate Exchange onto OSX Server? oh please god, please Mr Jobs

    There's a company that claims to be able to migrate Exchange to Linux or an OS X server in few easy clicks. However they don't seem to want my business since they won't respond on their own forums and emails to every address of theirs I could find remain unanswered after a month.

    1. Re:Important part of any Windows migration by outZider · · Score: 4, Insightful
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  7. Re:Blogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, your site is very impressive, especially the the ranting; I believe my favorite quote is something along the lines of you knowing everything about everyone within five minutes of meeting them.

    I mention this as your perspective is the answer to your own question. I take it you are a nerd in high school and see yourself as existing on the fringe of whatever social structure exists at your school and your words indicate you have just made the fundamental realization that the fringe is not a bad place to be as it is where creativity often occurs (and you have also embraced the other half of that change in thinking the fringe is somehow a more powerful position than the mainstream; over time you will realize the validitity-- and necessity-- of both).

    I say your perspective is the answer to your question because not everyone wants to make a site that is unique and stands out in terms of form. Many people want something easy to create that stands out in terms of content. Many technically inclined people who struggled endlessly to create unique and interesting websites simply because they had nothing to say. When they finally found something to say, they were more interested in getting their message out there in any form and lost the need for it to look unique and interesting.

    The blog represents a tremendous step forward in publishing and pop-culture; a large step for humanity in some sense...

  8. Re:Dupe... by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nope. Not a duplicate, nor is this going to cram anything onto your screen.

    This is their *server* operating system, and generally runs quite nicely without a screen.

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  9. Re:Blogs by hondo77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can think of it as just a diary. Another way to think of it is as a content management system. With the site I'm playing with at the moment (see my homepage link if interested), I'm not using it as a diary at all. I'm using Blosxom and, with plugins provided and created on my own, I'm pretty much using it as a publishing system. I write articles, schedule their publishing date, and pretend people read them :-).

    Why do people want something already made for them? Why reinvent the wheel. A good engineer is a lazy engineer. Best to get up and running quickly. Lots of reasons, I should think. For me, the search for the right software took longer than getting the site ready once I found it. Blosxom provides enough easy-to-use customizability that the site looks the way I want it to look.

    Blog software is just a tool and a starting point. Take it wherever your imagination lets you.

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  10. Active Directory by toupsie · · Score: 4, Informative
    Tiger Server can act as a Primary Domain Controller for a Windows network, and the tool will migrate user and group account from an existing Windows PDC into Open Directory 2 and Samba 3.

    Does the author mean a NT4 style PDC or an Active Directory Domain Controller? My guess is NT4 PDC. However, if it is a Windows 2003 Native Mode compatible Domain Controller/Global Catalog, WOW! If it is NT4 PDC, yawn. Not too many folks are running those in the Enterprise, however, I do see the benefit of creating a migration path from Windows to Mac for old, small NT4 networks.

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    1. Re:Active Directory by iantri · · Score: 2, Informative
      Probably means as an Active Directory domain controller.

      Samba 3 IS capable of doing it, but it is a massive pain in the ass and is rather complicated.

      If anyone can make it quick and easy, it's Apple...

    2. Re:Active Directory by 0racle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Last time I saw it, v3.0.0, Samba was capable of being an AD member server, not a Domain controller, and I don't see on their site that that has changed.

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    3. Re:Active Directory by tyhockett · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is indeed an Active Directory domain controller. This is a feature of Panther Server, actually. Panther Server can act as a Primary Domain Controller for AD, or an AD member server. It cannot act as a secondary replication partner.

    4. Re:Active Directory by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Informative


      I'm not sure of the distinction--I'm a Mac guy, not allowed to admin Windows Servers--but you might find answers in the pages and docs on Windows services in Apple's pages on Panther Server, or on a discussion of setting up the Windows Services in X Server 10.2-3.

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  11. Areas I hope are improved by tbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Documentation. OS X Server 10.3 ("Panther Server") is nice, but there are just too many areas that are poorly documented. My setup time would have been a quarter what it was if they had really excellent documentation. It's surprising, because Apple's docs on the consumer side are quite good. A lot of Apple's market is relatively inexperienced admins in SOHO or educational settings, and more HOWTO-type documentation would be wonderful.

    VPN setup. This one needs some serious help. I (and a lot of other people on Apple's OS X Server Discussion Board) have had a great deal of difficulty getting PPTP working in Panther Server. I also managed to stump Apple's Premium support with a problem with L2TP. Still waiting to hear back, more than a week later.

    Firewall setup. The Panther Server GUI interface for setting up firewalls is somewhat broken. Server Admin times out on trying to load mildly complicated rule-sets (say, a group of twelve IP ranges with 15 ports open). The default configuration doesn't make use of ipfw's stateful capabilities, and doesn't block UDP packets. They could really have a better interface and a better default ruleset, or at least an option to set up some stateful rules via the GUI. The setup they have for XML editing of the GUI's port list is cool, though, as is the ipfw.conf setup.

    Windows Services / SAMBA. SAMBA still has some bugs and issues which make it annoying to use as a replacement for a Windows-based PDC. Apple should help out the open source community here. In particular, find a good solution to the problem where visible .INI files show up in weird places in a user's roaming profile--having one of these suckers pop up upon login every time a user logs in is annoying. (This happens because SAMBA does not store the "Invisible System File" windows file attribute that would keep these files from being visible. There's a work-around but it's ugly and only partially effective). Also, more GUI-based control of security for Windows file sharing would be good--I don't want to have to dig into the bowels of samba just to learn how to disable LANMAN passwords.

    Open Directory. Fix the bugs in Open Directory or Workgroup Manager that prevent entry of "City" (and certain other attributes) in user LDAP records. Set up a better means of storing contact information in the LDAP directory, and document how to configure Mac OS X clients to access it via Address Book.

    Backup Solution. There are lots of third-party backup solutions out there for backing up an OS X Server, but none I completely trust to do a bare-metal restore and give me a bootable system. Carbon Copy Cloner? Had issues with it when backing up an iBook via Firewire, so I don't trust it. Rsync? Doesn't handle resource forks. RsyncX? Slower than rsync (too slow for network backup). This would probably be pretty simple for Apple to implement and integrate into Server Admin.

    All in all, Panther Server is pretty good, and Tiger Server looks even better. I just hope Apple fixes these things so others are spared the trouble I went through.

    1. Re:Areas I hope are improved by imac.usr · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Carbon Copy Cloner? Had issues with it when backing up an iBook via Firewire, so I don't trust it.

      I've seen the same thing with CCC and FireWire drives, where eventually the process times out and you have to force-quit CCC and start over. I have found that there is a workaround of sorts that generally prevents this from happening:

      • start the clone operation as normal
      • open the Terminal
      • cd to the root directory of the target drive for the cloning operation (i.e.
        /Volumes/whatever
        )
      • do an ls -l of the directory every 4-5 minutes or so

      This usually works on my drives. My theory is that something in either CCC or Apple's FireWire implementation is screwy and it causes ditto (the unix tool that forms the basis of CCC) to flip out.

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    2. Re:Areas I hope are improved by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
      If that's a major part of your job, it sounds like you're a particularly good candidate to be replaced with a very small shell script.

      Just kidding, just kidding...!

    3. Re:Areas I hope are improved by ptudor · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ...but none I completely trust to do a bare-metal restore and give me a bootable system.
      The 60G Toshiba failed in my 12" PB last week, a perfect test of my SuperDuper based backups. I booted off the external backup with no problem once my PB was returned and just backed up, in the other direction. Two hours and a reboot later, it's like nothing happened.

      I've been pleased with SuperDuper since the start, and now that it's passed a big test I'm even more so.

      Just mentioning because it wasn't in your list...

    4. Re:Areas I hope are improved by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2, Informative


      I've seen the same thing with CCC and FireWire drives, where eventually the process times out and you have to force-quit CCC and start over.

      The issue is with the FW drive--the firmware on some works better thatn the firmware on others. For some reason.

      Thread for details

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    5. Re:Areas I hope are improved by Durandal64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple has added Darwin-level support for resource forks in Tiger, and have recompiled their Unix tools (including cp, mv, et cetera) to properly handle resource forks. So rsync will work properly with resource forks now.

    6. Re:Areas I hope are improved by Maserati · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to use CC Cloner a lot. That's excellent advice, but I hope you've written a script to do those "ls -l"s. I'm using LaCie drives mostly. We've lately switched to NetRestore for, well, restores; I still use CCC for backups. CCC is in fact vulnerable to Firewire issues, and versions prior to 2.30 had some lack of stability. 2.30 on Panther is pretty stable.

      The BIG problem with CCC is the condition in which it leaves the directory structure. I made it a policy to run DiskWarrior on every system I restored. I spot-check when I'm using NetRestore (a very handy program locally or networked), but I haven't seen anything serious with NR but I'll keep looking. There's nothing worse than deploying a system with damage, already on it, that you could have prevented.

      That reminds me. There is no Earthly reason for not emptying the caches when you image. It screws things up when you deploy on dissimilar hardware; nothing else is as troublesome moving an image across generations of hardware (G4/G5 for example). There's No Cachet in a Cache.

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  12. Best joke I've heard in weeks... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tiger Server will focus on open source, Windows, and ease of use.

    Kinda reminds me of the old joke: Good, cheap and fast, pick any two.

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    1. Re:Best joke I've heard in weeks... by vantango · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kinda reminds me of the old joke: Good, cheap and fast, pick any two.

      So that would be:
      Good, Fast = Mac
      Cheap, Fast = Linux
      Good *cough*, Cheap = MS.

  13. Re:Blogs by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    there's shitloads of blogs that have been started just because yet another guy wanted to just code his own blog, but later the guy realised he doesn't even want to blog or have anything worth blogging about else than the blog software, which let's face it, isn't that intresting even to other coders.

    with a blog, like with any site worth visiting, the content matters more than the presentation!(as long as the presentation doesn't hide the content of course), the engine that actually pushes out the presentation(generates the html) matters even less to the reader.

    why do you suppose that it would be good for people who don't know to code 'roll out their own blog'? why the hell not leverage on other peoples work when it is possible? or you only read blogs about making blogs which is the stupidest blogs out there with empty content like "I'm not sure what to write here now, but it sure is cool, peehoopeee aaall the way baby, I ruule, I wrote my own blog engine".

    using the same tools other people use makes some things easier anyways, like migrating to another software later or being able to use tools other people wrote for the software, like j2me posting apps & etc...

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  14. Re:Blogs by Boss+Sauce · · Score: 5, Insightful
    While the "check out my cool life" blogs get most of the press, the reality is that there are lots and lots of sites that use blog-type software to control publication. Slashdot, for example, is just a blog with a thick layer of automated security tacked onto its "comment" features.

    As a method for handling ANY site which needs regular updating, blogs can't be beat.

    Of course, make sure to check out manyforms, or do a lucky Google search for it...:o

  15. Re:Blogs by thenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why can't people just make things on their own from scratch (like I do, see my site), and try to make somthing unique and stand out from everyone else.

    It's because people are more interested in using what they see as a new medium to express ideas. They are not interested in the implementation. Why would they write their own when something perfectly good exists that they can use now?

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  16. Mobile Home Directories... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is their new service so you can chat with people who live in a double-wide trailer. Kudos to Apple for finally making their technologies accessible to the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum!

  17. Market: Academics, education by tbo · · Score: 5, Informative

    We use an XServe G5 as a single sign-on and file server for a "lab" of about 14 FreeBSD and Windows XP machines. The computers are used as workstations (and occasionally for light numerical work) by theorists working on quantum information and quantum computation.

    Macs seem to be quite popular among the quantum computing community. Ray Laflamme's group (U. of Waterloo and Perimeter Institute) uses them (although maybe they don't have an Xserve), and about 40% of the laptops at a recent quantum information conference I was at were PowerBooks.

    1. Re:Market: Academics, education by jabberjaw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The High Energy Physics group at UW Madison is also a bit of a mac shop as they just purchased quite a few new G5's.

  18. I think I just wet myself. by csoto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone pass the kool-aide! I'll drink anything Jobs is serving!

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  19. Java application middleware by sys49152 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Currently OS X Server ships with JBoss, and opinions about Mark Fluery aside, that's a good thing. However, there's a ship about to leave, and Apple should do what they can in the next 12 months to be sure and get on it. That ship is the "tiny container" (for lack of a better name). Those frameworks that aim to compete with J2EE by introducing a simpler, lighter container for hosting your Plain Old Java Objects. They do not provide persistence (you get that from Hibernate, for instance), they do not provide transactions (you get that from a JTA provider), etc. What they do provide is a lightweight container and an integrtated AOP framework for glueing it all together.

    There's no argument that these containers are getting a lot of attention (so much so that the latest J2EE spec does what it can to emulate them -- not enough). Apple can win some serious street cred among app server developers by adopting one of these frameworks, enhancing the code, hiring the developers (maybe away from BEA -- hint, hint) and integrating it with X-Code.

    And by "lightweight container" I mean Spring, Pico, and, yes, even JBoss (once all the overweight J2EE stuff is tossed). There are others, of course, such as Excalibur, but Spring and Pico have all the mind share. Spring especially, it seems.

    While I'm at it, if Apple really wants a piece of the application server space they should endorse Mono with equal vigor. Imagine, a .NET compatible runtime on OS X supported by Apple. Furthermore, those important Java/.NET sub-projects need full fledged support; Hibernate, Junit (Nunit), Ant (Nant), XDoclet, one of the umpteen MVC frameworks, and so on.

    So there you have it Apple: Proudly ditch the complexity of EJB. Raise the flag of lightweight containers and AOP. Embrace .NET via Mono. Support those all so important tactical projects. And integrate -- fully -- the whole kit & kaboodle into your development environment.

    You're welcome.

    1. Re:Java application middleware by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bah! Drop java, c# and objective C. Move on to something truly lightweight like python or ruby. Python + zope3 now there is a lightweight container to crow about.

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  20. Server... by minotaurcomputing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really dislike the server pricing scheme as a home user. Yeah yeah yeah. I realize the Apple viewpoint of "why would home users need server software"? (I've asked them) But as a person who would like a single license for my G5 with a couple FreeBsd and Windows nodes, $500 for 10 licenses doesn;t work for me. It's unfortunate.

    In a related note, is it possible to acquire certain server extensions (Blojsom or Jabber for example) and plug them into Tiger proper?

  21. Re:Groupware, groupware, groupware! by medazinol · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Use the feedback page @ Apple to tell them. I did, lots of times.

  22. RE: server pricing by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Umm... I can understand not liking a $500 price tag for *any* piece of software. But realistically, what other commercial server type OS are you going to buy for much less than Apple's price on OS X server? (If you're a student, work for the government in any capacity, or even serve in the military, you should already qualify for at least a small discount already - since Apple always offers that.)

    I've never seen Novell offer a copy of Netware real cheap for home users just wanting to try using it for 1 or 2 workstations.... and Microsoft sure doesn't offer Windows 2003 Server at anything resembling "inexpensive pricing".

    I think that's pretty much the reason for the popularity of Unix type open-source OS's in the first place. If you just want to tinker at home, Linux or BSD should do the job for you, and not cost you hundreds of dollars.

  23. Re:Apple copying shareware again? by superpixel2000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is absolutely a valid point. I was considering Konfabulator (and until I see more/better widgets from Cupertino may still) until I saw Dashboard. Apple is getting into a rather nasty habit here...

    Of course, Microsoft isn't much better, but at least they'll buy you out before crushing you... Right?

    Then again, there are cases where 3rd parties are making better stuff than Apple. Witness 'A Better Finder Rename' and 'Wheel' (Wheel is from Spymac, along with a host of .mac-esque services that outdo Apple on pricepoint at least).

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  24. Re: windows server pricing by beavis88 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Last I checked, a Windows 2003 server license with 5 (FIVE!) client access licenses was about $3700.

  25. Re:ACLs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since a lot of code is based on FreeBSD 5.x, check out rwatson's page on POSIX.1e.

    ACLs in FreeBSD (and by extension "Tiger") are based on the last public draft of the POSIX.1e document (it was never ratified). The procedure will be the same as is done in Solaris and Linux(?).

    chmod and chown do not affect ACLs; to do that you have to use setfacl . When you use ls you do not see the extra ACLs, but a '+' character after the traditional permissions. The '+' tells you that ACLs are present; to view them you have to use getfacl utility.

  26. Re:ACLs by bruns · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are probably impemented the same way its done in the linux 2.6 kernels - either taking advantage of the underlying file system's ability to store the data natively, or using a hidden file. IIRC, this is all done on the VFS layer, which I'm pretty sure MacOS X has the equiv. of.

    Most of the standard tools like chown/chmod/ls/etc are ACL enabled and aware. The only applications which will have an issue with this are ones that are not ACL aware, AND ones that use a copy/save method which will blow away the underlying ACLs (passwd does this right now, as do many editors).

    Otherwise, it is completely transparent to applications (even ones that aren't ACL enabled/aware).

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  27. Re:Apple copying shareware again? by TheOtherAgentM · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, it looks like Apple is shoving smaller developers out of the market. The same thing happened when iTunes came out and Audion got forgotten. (I even had to look up the name of the software just to be sure, and I used to use this software.) Like when iTunes was released, I doubt anyone will be complaining except the developers being bullied out. Apple does a good job of making you forget they aren't the original creators of a lot of things.

  28. It's here! by acomj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Its the WWDC 2004 keynote...
    I'm watching it now..

    Try here or
    if that doesn't work.. The link is on This page

  29. Re:Finally 64-bit by iabervon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It took Linus about a year (1994-1995) to do the Alpha port, which was 64-bit, a completely different architecture from x86, and required adding support for having multiple architectures in the same tree. Of course, making something 64-bit clean is easier if there's less of it, and Linux was small then.

  30. Re: server pricing by CoolMoDee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they are adding tons of value to samba. The config tools for samba, and every other damon on the system. Not to mention support, so one can ring them when someone isn't working right. So when one pays $500 dollars for OS X Server, they are not just paying for samba and a default config. They are paying for samba/apache/whateverftpd/everything else with a REALLY nice (atleast as of panther, compared to configuration tools on Windows2k/Linux) set of configuration tools for them, as well as support AND 5 client licenses, which alone would run over 500 dollars...

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  31. Re: server pricing by crem_d_genes · · Score: 2, Informative

    (If you're a student, work for the government in any capacity, or even serve in the military, you should already qualify for at least a small discount already - since Apple always offers that.)

    Servers are the one area where it seems that there is no break for educators, et al. I suppose the potential for someone using it for business applications is too hard to verify.

  32. Re:ACLs by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Informative
    ...the VFS layer, which I'm pretty sure MacOS X has the equiv. of.

    Yes, it's called the VFS layer (just as it is on other BSDs - and as it was in SunOS 2.0, which had a VFS layer before Linux existed; the BSD VFS layer is a bit like the one in various SunOS releases, although it's not the same).

  33. Re:Licensing tsarkon reports Solaris rules FAG. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Solaris is the ultimate at eating my asshole while tickling my nutsack with your nose.

    Read slower and take in more content.

    Every. Single. Thing. That. Sun. Is. First. To. Implement. Will. Appear. Later. On. Someone. Elses. OS. And. It. Will. Be. The. Shit. When. They. Do. It.

    Being first and being better doesn't mean one God damned thing in this world. Being first to make noise with it does.

    Moot point anyway. Mac and Linux will get "x" amount of applause for doing it after Sun (which gets no applause because they're Sun and this week they're your Java desktop company, next week they'll be your "delivering streaming monkey fucking apps to your PDA through your bunghole IN JAVA...plus we make Solaris company)

    And then a couple of years later Windows will add it but it won't work right, be shot full of holes, and leave a steaming turd in your mouth right before it reboots (courtesy of the NAMBLA.SteamingTrd.Trojan virus) and they'll still be lined up 2,000 deep to buy it because they read about it in "Windows Dominator Weekly" magazine which they get sent free of charge and their boss thinks is where you learn this shit when you're not in MCSE classes.

    It just doesn't matter Solarisman. It JUST DOESN'T MATTER.

    You'd think a fucking Solaris fluffer would know better than to debate the futility of being better in Windows world with a Mac user wouldn't you. Well, you'd be wrong.

  34. strange moderation- Links to quicktime by acomj · · Score: 4, Informative

    I link the keynote which is interesting.. Get modded to "flamebait"????. Maybe someone couldn't get a good connection?

    Anyway here are the working links again..

    Quicktime WWDC
    or a more direct link

    Anyway I finish watching. Interesting stuff. The system wide search is interesting. Like the google search service for your hard drive.

    The the real time image/video effects. I do a lot of photoshop and the effects are really fast and leverage the video card GPU. The libraries will autodetect the card and use the card if applicable. 100+ effect libraries with the os to build into application.

    They're working hard on the OS and it shows.

  35. Re:Tired of Apple Fanboys? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 2, Funny

    You missed me.

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  36. Re:Apple copying shareware again? by Alazoral · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think you ARE flamebait. Konfabulator isn't the first widget thingy by far, and Apple's implementation looks much, much more efficient than Konfab's resource hogging. Just because it sits in the corner, Spotlight is a VERY DIFFERENT beast to launchbar. Its a system wide indexer that lets you instantly search METADATA and FULL CONTENT in both files and database listings, like Address Book and Mail as well as filenames, and it can store smart folders for quick access to saved searches like iTunes does. Launchbar is an APPLICATION launcher. From what I saw, Spotlight didn't care about applications at all, its for files and database entries. And Oh My God! RSS Aggregation Client! NetNewsWire, please meet OmniWeb, Livejournal, Slashdot, and a billion other aggregation programs. RSS was designed to do just that. Using a standard to do what its intended isn't what I'd call copying. How about you don't post with your gut reaction? It stinks.

  37. Does anyone else find it sinister? by Enlarge+Your+Penis · · Score: 3, Funny

    That Apple are following the naming conventions for Nazi armoured vehicles? Is this Job's final solution to the Microsoft problem?

  38. Re:Apple copying shareware again? by sparrow_hawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interestingly enough, I noted in the Apple Developer Tools license (which I read just today) that Apple says something along the lines of "using this product doesn't mean that we won't take your ideas and make our own." That warning is really close to the top, so if you read the license at all, you can't claim nobody warned you.

  39. Very excited by Core Video by gsdali · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Depending on how exactly it works. Hopefully, in the same way as core Audio it is not just a plugin and interconnect layer for video applications but a complet abstraction layer for hardware as well. Hurry up with some godamned documentation.

    at the same time I was dissapointed not to see distributed rendering using Xgrid for Apples Pro Video Apps.

    1. Re:Very excited by Core Video by SlamMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      They have Xgrid rendering in Shake already. Runs under under Qmaster, which came first.

      And it makes a certain amount of sense not to have it in Final Cut. The data transfers seem like it would far outweigh the benefits of the extra processor power without some serious interconnect.

      That said, I can't wait for Apple's to actually do it.

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    2. Re:Very excited by Core Video by shawnce · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI, If you are ADC member (with a seed key) you can download the latest Tiger related documentation. This documentation bundle is later then the Tiger developer preview DVD handed out at WWDC.

      CoreImage & CoreVideo are rather nice and parallel CoreAudio in many ways from what I have seen so far. Apple is on a strong push to bring in the compute capabilities of modern GPUs for things other then 3D and games, focusing on it as another system compute resource basically. Apple is of course eating its own dog food as well... let you think about how they may be doing that (since I am under WWDC NDA).

  40. Re: server pricing by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a great question. If you don't think Apple is adding value, don't pay for it.

    All the people who like the value Apple is adding will pay for it.

    Both sets of people are happy.

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  41. Re: server pricing by JohnsonWax · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mac OS X Server pricing for .edu is half price. I bought a 3 year maintenance contract for my unlimited client server a day before 10.3 Server shipped for $499. That covered 10.3, will cover 10.4, and may or may not cover 10.5 - but I'm thinking not unless they ship by Sept. 2006.

    The 10 client license is $249. There *may* be an even cheaper offer for ADC members.

  42. Mobile Users same as 10.3 Server by Wally4u · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Mobile Home Directories allows a mobile user to sync his home directory with a central server, backing it up and allowing an admin to manage it.
    So does this mean they implemented the same Syncing as .Mac for the Servers? Because the current server can't do this. You have mobile user account but this only syncs the access rights etc not the user data.
  43. Re:Apple copying shareware again? by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ideas are free. There is no "IP" protection for ideas, nobody can own an idea (except sometimes through creative usage of software patents). And that's a good thing: it creates competition, since one idea can spawn a lot of different implementations. If you allow monopolies on ideas, the market becomes poorer, not richer. FWIW, I don't complain when Microsoft "steals" ideas from Apple either. You simply can't steal an idea, because ideas are not someone's property.

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  44. Re:ACLs by stefanb · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have mod points, but I'd rather reply to this: why did this get moderated "Insightful"? At best, it's flamebait, but I'd rather think troll.

    wtf this does to ls, chown and chgrp is anyone's guess.

    Where have you been the last, um, 10 or 15 years? Can't be bothered to just Google even for a second before going off like this?

    I don't pretend to know much about ACLs or their history, but they have been part of many commercial UNIXes for quite some time (first time I came around them was on OSF/1), and they have been implemented semi-recently in Linux and the *BSDs. Samba has had ACL support since the late 2.x days, IIRC. And I have a hunch that Windows NT got it's model from adopting DCE.

    So, let's think, what's Apple going to do? Considering that they track FreeBSD 5 closely, and FreeBSD 5 has ACLs?

  45. Re:Groupware, groupware, groupware! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm not really sure what you're missing. Mail.app is a mail client. It needs an SMTP server and a POP/IMAP server, all of which OS X Server provide. Windows / *NIX clients can use any mail client to interoperate (such as Mozilla Thunderbird).

    iCal uses WebDAV for publishing calendars, in iCalendar format (defined in a couple of RFCs). OS X Server provides the Apache WebDAV module, allowing this. Windows / *NIX clients can use any standards compliant calendar app (such as Mozilla Calendar).

    Address book uses vCards (again, defined by RFC) and integrates with an LDAP server, such as the one provided by OS X Server. Windows / *NIX clients can use any address book app that understands LDAP.

    So what, exactly, do you feel they are missing. I'm not sure what benefit you get from having them all in the same application (the APIs for address book, for example, are exposed so any app, including Mail.app, can access and control it).

    Disclaimer: I have never used Exchange, and I would honestly like to know what you feel is missing on the Mac (and *NIX) side.

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  46. Re:Microsoft had a project Tiger once... by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...it was in the '93-'94 timeframe. It was supposed to be a video server; i.e., multiply specified video streams could be served up to various clients.

    Hmmm. I haven't heard of anything about it since then.


    It is a little program that you might now know as Windows Media Server, and has been a part of the NT platform for several years. It is also built into Windows 2000 and 2003 servers.

    We use Windows 2003 as media distribution devices, and have used Windows Servers for this for years now.

    Heck even the theater and video streams in my house all come from a Windows Server.

    Just like several theaters are doing all over the country that have converted to digitial distribution. (Think of the irony that the next time you see a high quality digital flick at your local theater is running a Windows Media Server.)

  47. Re:Finally 64-bit by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

    But compare it to microsoft who is still trying to get 64 bit to work right.

    Yeah, it has taken Microsoft FOREVER, especially considering NT 4.0 was a 64bit OS on Alpha back in 1996 - let alone that Windows XP 64bit for Itanium was out in 2001.

    Man, Microsoft is really behind the curve here...

    It is great Apple is making great roads into the 64bit progression; however, ignorance of Microsoft's advances don't mean that Apple is the leader in this area.

    Let alone the various other 64bit OSes that have been around for a while.

    Do people really not know this stuff here? I thought this is where intellectual geeks talked about new and exciting concepts. Not praising companies and bashing others for doing the same things.

    Oh wait, silly me... (This is the year 2004, and slashdot has turned into geeks and AOL users, that are either new to this stuff or just fan boys/girls of a singular concept or platform without knowing much of the rest of the world)

  48. Re:Finally 64-bit by demon · · Score: 5, Informative

    especially considering NT 4.0 was a 64bit OS on Alpha back in 1996

    Wrong - Windows NT for Alpha/AXP was NOT 64-bit. It used the Alpha's 32-bit mode. This was a well-known issue at the time. (I was working for government environmental monitoring facility at the time, and we had some company come in and demo NT on an AlphaServer for us, so I learned a thing or two about it.)

    Also, Microsoft may have internal builds of 64-bit Windows, but no shipping products for IA64 or x86_64 so far. That's right, not one. So yes, MS is very much behind the curve. Linux was 64-bit on Alpha some time ago, for example.

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  49. Re:Apple copying shareware again? - Patent by jcoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ah, but they are an innovator. Not only with software, but certainly with hardware also. I suppose your definition of a reputable innovator is one that only comes up totally original ideas? Please.

    Whiners? Whiners? Isn't this the context of this very thread, you idiot? The original post was a whine, and I'm posting my opinion. Go figure.

    As far as Microsoft is concerned, I don't bitch when they come out with new features for the OS or other software that *resembles* software that is already out there. I welcome it. Nothing drives innovation like competition.

  50. Re:Naming Convention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lifted off the web a long time ago. Sorry, I forgot the source, so I can't credit it to anyone. And it's not comprehensive [Puma and Panther were missing, although there is Cougar (Puma concolor) ].

    Already used/taken
    * Cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) OS X 10.0
    * Puma OS X 10.1
    * Jaguar (Panthera onca) OS X 10.2
    * Panther OS X 10.3
    * Tiger (Panthera tigris) OS X 10.4

    Wild Cat Species (alphabetical)
    * African golden cat (Profelis aurata)
    * Andean mountain cat (Oreailurus jacobita)
    * Asian golden cat (Catopuma temminckii)
    * Black-footed cat (Felis nigripes)
    * Bobcat (Lynx rufus)
    * Bornean bay cat (Catopuma badia)
    * Canadian lynx (Lynx canadensis)
    * Caracal (Caracal caracal)
    * Chinese mountain cat (Felis bieti)
    * Clouded leopard (Neofelis nebulosa)
    * Cougar (Puma concolor)
    * Eurasian Lynx (Lynx lynx)
    * Fishing Cat (Prionailurus viverrinus)
    * Flat-headed cat (Prionailurus planiceps)
    * Geoffroys cat (Oncifelis geoffroyi)
    * Iberian lynx (Lynx pardinus)
    * Jaguarundi (Herpailurus yagouarundi)
    * Jungle cat (Felis chaus)
    * Kodkod (Oncifelis guigna)
    * Leopard (Panthera pardus)
    * Leopard cat (Prionailurus bengalensis)
    * Lion (Panthera leo)
    * Marbled cat (Pardofelis marmorata)
    * Margay (Leopardus wiedii)
    * Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis)
    * Oncilla (Leopardus tigrinus)
    * Pampas cat (Oncifelis colocolo)
    * Pallas cat (Otocolobus manul)
    * Rusty-spotted cat (Prionailurus rubiginosus)
    * Sand cat (Felis margarita)
    * Serval (Leptailurus serval)
    * Snow leopard (Uncia uncia)
    * Wildcat (Felis silvestris)

  51. Re:Apple copying shareware again? by Chucker23N · · Score: 2, Insightful

    - Konfabulator: You may have a point there; the concepts are similar, and even the coding style is almost the same.

    - LaunchBar: Has got *nothing* to do whatsoever with Spotlight. LaunchBar is a launcher for applications, address book entries, etc. Spotlight is a file metadata indexing and searching tool, like "SmartQueries" in BeOS or somewhat similar to "WinFS" in Longhorn.

    - NetNewsWire: as the author of it pointed out, he sees Safari RSS as an *opportunity* for RSS application developers, as it will further spread the message of RSS.

    - Watson: my opinion on this has always been that doing that was the next obvious step after Sherlock 2.

  52. Missing Mention by achbed · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't believe that nobody has commented on the one other feature that other server-level systems have, that 10.3 and below lack: Ethernet link aggregation (aka FastEtherChannel, aka 802.3ad). It'll be great to have 4Gb of bandwith from the SAN and be able to pump out more than 1Gb to the same subnet.

    What's with everyone's fascination over blogs, anyway? *ducks*