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Appeals Court OKs Microsoft Antitrust Settlement

mbstone writes "The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit has upheld [pdf] the settlement reached between Microsoft and the U.S. Justice Department in the antitrust case filed in 1998, beating back a challenge by Massachusetts, the only state that didn't settle. Many critics, of course, believe that Attorney General John Ashcroft took a dive on the case which was originally filed by former Clinton Administration Attorney General Janet Reno."

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  1. articles by rd4tech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the articles:

    Court:This is a resounding victory for the Justice Department and American consumers. The Court addressed the merits of every argument raised against the Department's remedy by two industry groups and the sole remaining state plaintiff (Massachusetts), and it clearly and thoroughly rejected all of them. The Court's forceful decision confirms what the Department has been saying all along - our settlement protects the public by providing a full and effective remedy for Microsoft's anticompetitive conduct.

    MS: "We remain 100 percent committed to fulfilling our obligations under the settlement and earning the trust of our customers and the industry," Smith said. "We are excited about the potential our industry has to bring new innovation into people's lives and help them realize their full potential."

    My comments: In order to see what a real inovation is, one has to compare firefox's mouse gestures to Ie's SP2. I mean, who gives a damn about mouse whatnot, we don't want viruses, right?
    But I actually don't care since I switched to Gentoo..

  2. I wonder what'll happen in the EU by bollow+(a)+NoLockIn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder what'll happen in the EU anti-trust sanctions. If they manage to get off the hook there, it'll be hard to convinve me that they didn't buy the European politicians.

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    1. Re:I wonder what'll happen in the EU by Graf+Typo · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wonder what'll happen in the EU anti-trust sanctions.

      This just in: Microsoft already paid the fine of 497.2 million Euro. Details at Heise (in german, but you can always use babelfish).

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  3. Microsoft loses a drop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A drop in the bucket here. Overseas sales, sales here, and a lack of change in their business structure means that this settlement accomplished nothing.

    The only hope now is that the negative publicity will affect sales somehow. Stupid Ashcroft.

    1. Re:Microsoft loses a drop by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stupid Ashcroft

      Its not stupid to cut off the hand that feeds you.

  4. More Political Discussion by artlu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The anti-trust case seemed to disappear from the media very quickly once the Bush administration came in. I think Microsoft is going to get less support now because of the EU anti-trust lawsuits as well. It will be interesting to see if there is a different decision reached between the states and the EU.

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  5. Re:Seriously: Why is this a YRO article? by strictnein · · Score: 4, Funny

    because it's our right, as Americans, to get another coupon for $10 off the latest version of Windows XP2003MEServer 64-128bit edition

  6. Law is like sasage by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My uncle. A local politician is fond of the saying. "Law is like sausage, anyone who likes either should never watch them being made". Whoever says justice has nothing to do with politics, or claims law and its use is not always someone enforcing their morality on someone else, needs to take a look at this case.

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  7. Didn't this happen yesterday? by underpar · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not really news anymore. It's not much of a surprise, anyway. I'm nore interested in the EU case. Oh.. this isn't anti-microsoft enough..

    Microsoft is like.. the man.. and I am like.. the person being oppressed by said man. Yo.

  8. Of course Ashcroft went soft by nate1138 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Of course Ashcroft went limp on Microsoft. After all the money that they funneled to the republican party, how could he do anything other than bend over and grab his ankles for his new corporate masters?

    From here:

    During the last election campaign, Microsoft employees gave more than $50, 000 to the Bush campaign, while the company and its workers gave $500,000 in unlimited, soft money donations to the Republican National Committee for use in Bush's battle against Democrat Al Gore. Gore did not receive any money from Microsoft, according to election commission records.

    According to data supplied by the Center for Responsive Politics, Microsoft employees also donated $22,500 to Bush's recount effort, and a Microsoft executive gave $100,000 to the Bush-Cheney Inauguration Committee.


    Of course, nobody should be surprised by this anymore.

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    1. Re:Of course Ashcroft went soft by danheskett · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course, nobody should be surprised by this anymore.
      FYI.

      Bush openely promised as a campaign pledge (I know, I was at a debate and asked the question to which he responded) to instruct the DOJ to seek a settlement as soon as possible.

      In light of that, your suggestion that this wasn't on the up and up doesn't really fly.

    2. Re:Of course Ashcroft went soft by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait a second, Bush was given money, and then he told the DOJ to seek a settlement as soon as possible, and you're saying this is evidence of a lack of collusion? I think it's time for you to reexamine your logic.

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    3. Re:Of course Ashcroft went soft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      and how much did MS give to teh democrats?

      "While Microsoft donations favored Republicans (who got 72 percent of the money from 1995 to 1998), its employees were more inclined to support the Democrats. Democratic PACs received $222,100 from the company's employees, compared to the $42,875 for Republican PACs."

      you forgot to mention that. nice slant.

    4. Re:Of course Ashcroft went soft by danheskett · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ahh, actually.. you are looking at wrong..

      If I want to accomplish task A which requires a political change, what is my best goal?

      Find a candidate who supports my policy, fund him to win, and reap the benefits of victory - aka my agenda is met.

      That's exactly what Microsoft did. Before the DOJ case, they had NEVER donated $1 to a national campaign, never been politically active in ANY way. Not a single race. Not a single dollar. Nothing.

      Then they get drawn into politics. A high level DOJ case is, btw, extremely political. Clinton and Gore both personally soliticted donations from Microsoft before the case was filed. Ohh, btw, Sun, IBM, Netscape, and Novell are all big donors to the DNC and all funded the Clinton/Gore re-election ticket.

      So, imagine yourself as Microsoft. What is your goal? Avoid DOJ break-up.

      Okay, so, let's see. It's the primaries, and you've got 8 candidates. Forbes, Bush, and Keyes all argued against breakup during the early pre-primary season. McCain and the other candidates either said they were happy with case or that they would let it proceed without interruption.

      Guess who Microsoft donated too before Super Tuesday? Guess who they donated too in the general election season? Forbes, Keyes, and then ulitimately Bush.

      You are suggesting that it's:

      1. Microsoft shops for a candidate, gives money to Bush.
      2. Bush changes policy position.
      3. Bush is "elected".
      4. Bush follows through on policy change.


      When what happenned actually was:

      1. Bush campaigns on policy.
      2. Microsoft seeks candidate to change policy.
      3. Microsoft gives money to get its candidate elected.
      4. Bush is "elected".
      5. Bush follows through on campaign promise.


      I think it's time for you to get a clue about politics. Companies seek candidates who share their agenda and then fund them. And yes, many times, companies seeks politicans with no firm agenda on an issue and persuade via cash them to have a firm position.

      But don't mistake that for quid pro quo.

  9. The cold hard truth by arieswind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The truth of the matter is, even a couple hundred million dollars of fines is not that much of a hit to Microsoft, and it isnt exactly a secret that Microsoft holds a near monopoly, so, the whole lawsuit is a nonissue in the end

    1. Re:The cold hard truth by mgpeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not the fines that are a hit to Microsoft. It is the restrictions (which there aren't many). But what totally blows is that the length went from 10 years in the drafts to 5 years in the final judgement.

      What this basically means is that Microsoft squeaked Windows XP out before the restrictions went into effect, giving them an OS they can market until the restrictions are lifted in November of 2007.

      So, if you pay attention, the release date for Windows Longhorn will be November 13, 2007 - the day after the restrictions are lifted.

  10. Wrong by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nice try, but true.

    From a news article: "Massachusetts was the only state to hold out against the DoJ settlement. And it is still talking a good fight. According to Massachusetts Attorney General Tom Reilly, the judgment shows that antitrust laws are not working. 'Our high-tech economy will not reach its full potential unless regulators and the courts are willing to deal with Microsoft and its predatory practices,' he said, Reuters reports."

  11. Re:Blaming Ashcroft is just ignorant. by Enry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The blame starts with Reno and the people that were assigned to the case.

    Wha...? The lawyers she had on the case knocked it out of the park. It's now out bobbing in the ocean somewhere. Every time David Boies brought up a MSFT witness, he was able to discredit them and show that MSFT was indeed using its monopoly power to limit competition.

    Reno has nothing to do with what judge is assigned to a particular case (would you want the DA to be able to choose what judge hears every case? I didn't think so either). What Judge Jackson did was pretty bad and he should have known better.

    But Ashcroft pretty much rolled over as soon as he was AG. He settled and tried to get everyone else to settle as well. Why is a different debate, but he certainly had enough evidence to win in a new trial.

  12. Re:bankrupt the state by wrp103 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the courts will probably never be a good place to rein in a monolopy. By the time it works it way through the entire legal process, none of the real competitors are still alive to benefit from any decision.

    Within the last year, the Dr. Dos suit got settled. Who benefitted from that? And it is unlikely that Netscape (which exists in name, but not much else) would have gotten much out of this suit if things had gone differently. And as much as I love FireFox, the biggest thing it has going for it is the fact that IE development has stagnated for some time.

    When it comes to technology, things change so fast that any delay in settling any issues means that whatever decision is finally made, it will probably be pretty much meaningless. Inertia is a powerful force, and most people don't bother to download updates to their OS, let alone download and install alternative replacements for something that already came on their box.

  13. $996,000 to Democrats during 2000 election cycle by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now I don't know where the San Francisco Chronicle gets their data, but opensecrets.org (the defacto source for Slashbots) paints a very different picture of contributions... They still gave more to Republicans, but not significantly more... Heck, excluding the whole anti-trust thing, tax cuts are business friendly. That's enough to earn Bush support, really.

    Besides, the person who really lost the antitrust case was Judge Jackson. If he hadn't gone on about Microsoft being a bunch of evil bullies his breakup order would've stood. However, when an appeals court sees a lower Judge out spouting off belligerence in public interviews while a case HE is working on is winding through the legal system, they tend to act in favor of the person being punished.

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  14. Re:Blaming Ashcroft is just ignorant. by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But Ashcroft pretty much rolled over as soon as he was AG. He settled and tried to get everyone else to settle as well. Why is a different debate, but he certainly had enough evidence to win in a new trial.

    Here's a link for you. When the (then) richest man in the world donates to your boss's campaign, I think you're going to pay him back in some manner or another.

    A quick note, though...There are as many Democrats as Republicans on that list of donation recipients. Bill Gates donates to those with power...not necessarily to those of any particular party.

  15. The government fell short in the long run by Gary+Destruction · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The government is notorious for being both sloppy with its networks and being computer illiterate. The prosecutor in the anti-trust case didn't even have an email address as of late 2000.
    There was an article by Scott Hacker called He who controls the boot loader. It mentions how the DOJ missed the real issue entirely.
    It wasn't web integration that did the damage. It was Microsoft classifying its boot loader as a trade secret that toppled competition.

  16. Paging Michael Moore... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd love to see a nice documentary on the Microsoft case and how the Bush administration rolled over and let Bill have his way.

    Maybe he could call it "Justice 1.0," or something.

  17. Don't ignore Ashcroft's complicity by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yet another insane BushCo attack/apology, from an Anonymous inverted Coward. Reno won her antitrust case against M$. Ashcroft ignored the monopoly, cutting a cheap deal that keeps M$ in control of the sick state of disrepair from which we all suffer. The fact that Ashcroft is required to protect us from cyberterror is yet another reason the guy should be fired and prosecuted for malfeasance, and even treason. But of course, ACs like the parent poster will instead call for his elevation to the Supreme Court for his crimes. Why do they hate America?

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  18. Yes! BLAME CLINTON! by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 3, Funny

    You win the prize for being the first person to do so in this thread. Congratulations. You have also won the SUPER BONUS PRIZE as this is now the ONE BILLIONTH TIME someone has blamed the Clinton administration for something the Bush administration dropped the ball on.

    Congrats!

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