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Apple Delays New iMac

An anonymous reader writes "Reuters is running a story that Apple has delayed the release of the new iMac until September and has stopped taking orders for the current models."

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  1. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Must...save...money.

    1. Re:Good by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really, this is good for a lot of people. Sure, they can't get an iMac right now, BUT, this will also save them the agony of "I bought an iMac 2 months ago, and now it's a discontinued piece of obsolescense! Thanks a lot, Steve!" syndrome.

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    2. Re:Good by SilentChris · · Score: 5, Funny

      For what? An iMac? You're Slashdot: the technological elite. Pity those who have mere iMacs! I myself have a Cray from the 1990s I bought from eBay (sure, it's about as slow as my Pocket PC, but it was featured in Jurassic Park!)

    3. Re:Good by DChristensen · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know this...this is UNIX!

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    4. Re:Good by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe the quote was "This is a Unix system! I know this!" :P

  2. Legitimate Sales Tactic by Sad+Loser · · Score: 5, Insightful


    This may have more to do with clearing old inventory in retail channels ahead of the traditional educational back to school computer bonanza.
    A well timed announcement of a really sexy new iMac in August will get everyone excited, without cannibalising sales of the present generation of stock.

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    1. Re:Legitimate Sales Tactic by Biotech9 · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTFA, or at least think about it, how can they be trying to clear stock by STOPPING SALES. there is no stock, you cannot buy an iMac from Apple.

      This is a fuck-up on Apples part, I assume due to the engineering problems of getting a G5 into an iMac case.

    2. Re:Legitimate Sales Tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      FFS. They don't have nine fans to cool the CPUs in the PowerMac. They have nine fans to cool the CPUs quietly. They've designed it the way they have so that, under normal operation, the fans will rotate at a fraction of their full speed, meaning that they are that much quieter than normal.

      If you look at this PDF file, you'll see that typical power dissipation of the 1.8 GHz G5 is 42 watts. Assuming that's 75% of the maximum, we still end up with a maximum power rating of 56 watts. In comparison, typical power dissipation of an AMD Barton running at 1.8 GHz is around 54 watts typical, 68 watts maximum; an Intel P4 at 2.8 GHz (the slowest I can find readily available where I live) is rated at 56-68 watts (same page).

      The other thing to bear in mind is: that thermal rating for the 970 is based upon figures for the 130 nm process. The die shrink to 90 nm should reduce it.

      I don't think cooling is a major problem. It may take a bit of engineering work, but there's nothing particularly hard, I'd imagine. Yes, it's more than they've had to deal with when using the G4, but at least they don't have power constraints (which they will when it comes time to slide the G5 into a PowerBook.)

    3. Re:Legitimate Sales Tactic by evenparity · · Score: 4, Informative
      It is more likely a problem engineering/production.

      Two issues here: 1) Clearing the retail channels of old inventory, and 2) Start the clock ticking on the consumer decision making process (e.g. there is a lag between when a consumer becomes aware of a product and when he/she is ready to make the purchase).

      To clear the sales channels, you wouldn't really want to announce a new product because people will just decide to wait for the new product. Possibly, announcing the delay will get some consumers frustrated enough to buy an old model, but according to the article, it was an internal schedule, not a public schedule, that is running behind.

      To start the clock on the decision process, you need to actually hype the new product and get people excited about buying it. In this case, they don't reveal anything about the new product, so it is hard to think about buying something you don't know. (But maybe Apple users are just crazy that way....)

      The irony is, if this is an announcement of a misstep, the announcement itself is further hurting Apple's business. Apple's got great marketing and product design, but its business processes really need some work.

    4. Re:Legitimate Sales Tactic by John+Harrison · · Score: 4, Interesting
      First of all, you don't have any control over how much heat the G5 generates. No case layout, heatsinks, fans, can do anything of the sort. It's going to generate as much heat as it's going to generate.

      Not true! Voltage and clockspeed both influence hot hot a processor runs. Many people that want to run fanless for noise reasons will buy a fast processor and underclock it so that it will run cool.

      Another clever way of combatting heat is to be able to change speed on the fly, so that you match the current processing load. If you are editing code the processor can run slow and then when you compile it cranks up to full speed. This way you don't have a performance penalty but you aren't generating lots of heat the entire time.

      It's really not a hot processor, so anyone who knows the basics of cooling a computer can handle it.

      You seem to be oversimplifying the problem of cooling a G5 in the space of an iMac. Maybe once you've mailed in your solution you can tell them how to get one (or two!) into a Powerbook as well.

  3. they should call it a jMac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    then users will need to upgrade to a jPod and perhaps a jPaq for compatability - a great marketing scheme

  4. Pre-announced by iJed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its amazing to see Apple actually pre-announce a product! This is virtually unheard of, espessially for something as important as the next gen iMac. It looks to me like this pre-announcement is the result of some terrible mistake in predicting when all parts (PowerPC 970FX maybe?) would be available.

    1. Re:Pre-announced by Bob[Bob] · · Score: 5, Informative

      They say as much in their statement:

      "We planned to have our next generation iMac ready by the time the inventory of current iMacs runs out in the next few weeks, but our planning was obviously less than perfect."

      Quite candid, really.

    2. Re:Pre-announced by Deltan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well it sounds like it was only preannounced because they screwed up and were running out of supply on current iMacs. The alternative to not saying anything about your new product line is not very desirable, "we are no longer selling iMacs".

    3. Re:Pre-announced by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quite candid, really.

      I must say, my esteem for Apple as a company raises each time they communicate "normally" (i.e. without going through heavy PR filtering). So few companies do it nowadays...

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    4. Re:Pre-announced by edhall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thinking about it, the announcement makes perfect sense. Usually pre-announcements have the effect of depressing sales as folks decide to wait for the upgraded version. That generally makes them a bad idea, but in this case it's exactly the results desired. It will help eke out the remaining inventory such that fewer people are left unhappy -- those that need the latest and greatest will wait, with the limited inventory going to those who can't wait.

      -Ed
    5. Re:Pre-announced by Graff · · Score: 4, Informative
      The silence over the recent security updates (and the resulting mocking of one-paragraph summaries Apple then decided to release) has lost a lot of people's respect.

      Oh you mean something like this incredibly detailed list of every security update ever? The one which lists the CVE IDs of the vulnerabilities and which links to the appropriate discussion of the problem?

      Apple has provided this list for quite some time as you can see by looking at what was fixed. It only took me a few seconds to get from Apple's main page to locate this list.

      The explanations of the security problems when you download the patches are left sparse deliberately because there are housewives, kids, grandparents, and other non-techs reading the explanations. If you had a diatribe on every vulnerability that was patched then you'll take the chance that the users might get scared off from patching just due to the geek factor required to read the update notes.

      Apple does the smart thing and gives a small, easy to read blurb about the update in the download notes. Anyone who needs more in-depth information can easily find it at the Apple support webpages.
    6. Re:Pre-announced by Graff · · Score: 4, Informative
      Oh, I also forgot that there is the Apple security announcement mailing list which also exists in archive form. The archive is password protected to slow harvesting of e-mail addresses but they tell you how to access it right in the password question, just enter archives as the user name and archives as the password.

      Apple mails out a detailed announcement every time they release a patch or a fix for a vunerablility. Anyone can sign up with the mailing list to receive these timely announcements automatically.

      Here's an example of the latest announcement:
      Subject:
      APPLE-SA-2004-06-07 Security Update 2004-06-07

      From:
      Apple Product Security

      Date:
      Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:05:56 -0700

      APPLE-SA-2004-06-07 Security Update 2004-06-07

      Description

      Security Update 2004-06-07 delivers a number of security enhancements and is recommended for all Macintosh users. The purpose of this update is to increase security by alerting you when opening an application for the first time via document mappings or a web address (URL). For more details, including a description of the new alert dialog box, please see:
      http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artn um=25785

      Versions: Security Update 2004-06-07 is available for the following system versions:
      * Mac OS X v10.3.4 "Panther"
      * Mac OS X Server v10.3.4 "Panther"
      * Mac OS X v10.2.8 "Jaguar"
      * Mac OS X Server v10.2.8 "Jaguar"

      The following components are updated:

      Component: LaunchServices
      CVE-ID: CAN-2004-0538
      Impact: LaunchServices automatically registers applications, which could be used to cause the system to run unexpected applications.
      Discussion: LaunchServices is a system component that discovers and opens applications. This system component has been modified to only open applications that have previously been explicitly run on the system. Attempts to run an application that has not previously been explicitly run will result in a user alert. Further information is available in http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=257 85

      Component: DiskImageMounter
      CVE-ID: No CVE ID has been reserved as this is only an additional preventative measure.
      Impact: The disk:// URI type mounts an anonymous remote file system using the http protocol.
      Discussion: The registration of the disk:// URI type is removed from the system as a preventative measure against attempts to automatically mount remote disk image file systems.

      Component: Safari
      CVE-ID: CAN-2004-0539
      Impact: The "Show in Finder" button would open certain downloaded files, in some cases executing downloaded applications.
      Discussion: The "Show in Finder" button will now reveal files in a Finder window and will no longer attempt to open them. This modification is only available for Mac OS X v10.3.4 "Panther" and Mac OS X Server v10.3.4 "Panther" systems as the issue does not apply to Mac OS X v10.2.8 "Jaguar" or Mac OS X Server v10.2.8 "Jaguar".

      Component: Terminal
      CVE-ID: Not applicable
      Impact: Attempts to use a telnet:// URI with an alternate port number fail.
      Discussion: A modification has been made to allow the specification of an alternate port number in a telnet:// URI. This restores functionality that was removed with the recent fix for CAN-2004-0485.
    7. Re:Pre-announced by sjonke · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also note that starting with the most recent security update, Apple has started including a link to the detailed list in the short descriptions provided in Software Update. Click the link and you are taking to the detailed info web page. They made it much easier to find the details.

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  5. Think different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe they decided that the current Design Style was just... shite! Back to large beige boxes that we can stack CDs on and arrange all your happy meal toys over!

    1. Re:Think different by A.+Pizmo+Clam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I had one of the original Bondi Blue iMacs. While other people were praising its beauty, I thought it was kinda ugly. As a fashion statement, the blue translucent plastic seemed somehow akin to bell-bottom trousers and leisure suits. The periodic release of new machines with different color schemes seemed to support that view.

      But it was a fine computer. The original iMac was a brave departure from the beige boxes we'd all become so accustomed to. The compact all-in-one design simplified things for people who don't want to invest a lot of time in figuring out how everything goes together. (You or I may feel unfulfilled with any computer we haven't built with our bare hands from raw sand, but there are plenty of folks who just want to use the thing.)

      The iMac moved things forward in part by turning its back on a lot of legacy stuff. The iMac upset a lot of long-time Mac fanatics who were upset that they couldn't plug their old ADB and serial peripherals into the USB ports. Some people were aghast at the absence of the floppy drive. Now that Dell has embraced the idea of computers without floppy drives, I guess the iMac's work here is done.

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    2. Re:Think different by crawling_chaos · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your Google is weak, grasshopper.

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  6. Re:Pidgeon Holed by clymere · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a CS student, I often wonder why are labs are all WIndows. Its a horrible OS to write software in, IMHO.

    OTOH, you have to realize that 95% of students are using computers to surf the web, send e-mail, and write papers...and thats it(unless you count entertainment things like games, mp3's etc.). These are things that could be done on literally ANY platform, and are virtually the SAME on every platform. You have MS Office for both Windows and Mac, and for Linux under Crossover Office. You have Mozilla or Netscape for any of those platforms...not that using them is all that different from IE.

    And nowadays, a document or picture saved on one of those platforms is going to be readable on any of the others. So a student can easily take their work home, regardless of whether they have a mac, windows, linux, whatever.

    The bottom line is that generally speaking, schools should just buy whatever is the best deal. Whether it is the most widely used platform or not is completely insignificant at this point. Unless you're a CS student, you'll do your homework the same way no matter what the system is.

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  7. Hovering displays by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the education market, Apple has historically emphasized its iBook notebook PC and the eMac desktop machine rather than the iMac computer, which has a circular base and a flat-panel screen that hovers above it.

    Last I checked, the iMac's flat panel was attached via a swing-arm to the circular base. Where can I find one with no arm where the LCD magically hovers above? Perhaps this is the new model in fall? The hoverMac?

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    1. Re:Hovering displays by ozbird · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nah, the HooverMac sucks.

  8. Mabey by dncsky1530 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I bought one of the flat panel iMacs the moment it was announced, about 2.5 years ago, and it still works great. The iMac was an incredible value, had an excellent screen, and a fast CPU. I know that sales have been slowing, and the design has been out there for about 3 years, but it is still has alot of potential, and is definately a good bargain.

    On the other hand I can't wait to see the new iMacs (mabey i'll buy one), And 3 years is a long time for a computer design. Unless your talking about a PC where towers have been 'in' for over 10 years.

    I would really like to know how this is going to affect the Apple resellers who would have a large inventory of iMacs which they would undoubtably have to lower the price on. And as we have seen, Apple is not always on good terms with its resellers

  9. Macintosh needs to go back to the future. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple has always been a pioneer when it comes to technology.. things like imac, emac, ipod and newton come to mind. Nevertheless, I think in light of pushing the envelope, Apple often refuses to consider some people don't like doing things different... and therefore alienate a good percentage of potential customers who would buy a product if they made one that was applicable to the way they do things TODAY.

    A good example of this is the emac, which is a great computer but is overkill for the tasks of checking email and cruising the 'net, and too inflexible to do things like operate with external music devices (ie MOTU).

    Apple currrently sells Emacs for $799. That's pretty cheap, but I think Apple highly underestimates what the public really wants. Most people want a computer that is expandable, and can accomodate things internally (or at least have the option to).

    Most people have a monitor of sufficient size to meet their current needs, but have a computer that is too slow. Out of these, most would probably end up re-using their old monitor if it weren't for the fact that Dell generally bundles it in with the package.

    I would gladly give up the CRT in the Emac for a cheap Macintosh tower that has slots for expansion, and places to put those extra hard drives.

    My guess is many people would change to a mac if it was cheap enough (which I believe the Emac is appropriately priced), and eliminating the CRT wold more then likely offset the cost of adding slots and materials for the drive space.

    This is just my two bits, but I believe both of those bits are on, so I guess that's my three bits. .

    1. Re:Macintosh needs to go back to the future. by Detritus · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Most people want a computer that is expandable, and can accomodate things internally (or at least have the option to).

      Are you sure about that? Years ago, I read a study that said that most people never open their PCs, from purchase to disposal. They treat it as an appliance. I know people like that, they don't want to know what's inside the magic box and they don't care.

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    2. Re:Macintosh needs to go back to the future. by mdarksbane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know all of one person who is not a CSE who has opened their computer to upgrade it. I know one more who has paid the cost of a new computer to upgrade theirs (when it made no sense).

      No one else's has ever been opened unless I was visiting and wanted a peek inside.

      And remember; you can't upgrade PCI or video in an imac. Aside from that, they're about as expandable as one of the towers, and they come with anything a *normal* user (ie, someone who doesn't play FPS or need SATA RAID) would need built-in.

    3. Re:Macintosh needs to go back to the future. by period3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apple currrently sells Emacs for $799. That's pretty cheap

      Good deal, but you can get it much cheaper
      here.

  10. The Platform is not the Technology by droleary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure how valid this thought is but it would seem that using Apple products in a school (talked about in the article) setting would pidgeon hole students into a very limited sector of the market.

    That is moronic, and yet oddly it is used by school districts all the time to put a Windows monoculture in place. Think about it: what system could possibly be used that isn't totally outdated by the time kids graduate in 5 years? Even if you gave them expert-level training on Windows XP, Microsoft's defacto standard that enjoys a monopoly position, that "education" is down the drain when Longhorn ships. The same is true of any non-monopoly system, too. The pigeon hole playing field is pretty level.

    I would have loved being able to choose to work on a platform of my choosing instead of being forced into one thing.

    Kids don't know shit. Platforms of their "own choosing" are video game consoles. Teachers aren't there to follow the students' instruction; it's the other way around. What school administration needs to go with is a computer that will build a technology base for the students without causing the teachers a lot of headaches. That neither describes Windows nor Linux.

    1. Re:The Platform is not the Technology by michaeldot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Precisely. And anyway, if you do want to give the kids exposure to what Windows will be like in 5 years, showing them Mac OS now is an excellent way to do it.

  11. About time they give heads-up by NeedleSurfer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple as been a very secretive company in its past, which is absolutely bad if you wanna get in the entreprise market which Apple has now started to try. Even the media market can't deal with secrecy anymore, it's fun to be surprised but it might cost you a lot by realizing the new product fits way better than the old for less money.

    Anyway, thing is, Apple should always do this, maybe not a year in advance but a few month is good, let's hope this isn't just a reaction to a problem but the beginning of a new attitude...

  12. No more 15inch iMacs. by ITR81 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reason I know because about 10 days ago I ordered a 15inch iMac for my biz. but a couple days later Apple sends me an email informing me I've been upgraded to a 17inch iMac. So right now only 17 and 20inch iMacs are in inventory, but I'm sure you can find some more at say CompUSA and Apple Stores and Apple resellers.

  13. Re:If Microsoft did it... by node+3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, yeah, someone says it every time. But seriously, if a company like MS did this, the same people who I see here calling this a 'legitimate business tactic' and 'good marketing' would be calling it a shallow, greedy attempt to abuse market power.

    No, I'm fairly sure a lot of slashdotters would rejoice if Microsoft were to delay a product until it's truly ready. Throw in the discontinuation of the current product as well and you've got the ingredients for the declaration of a bonafide Open Source holiday.

    On a serious note, I think you've fallen into the trap of thinking the specific action is what people object to. Nobody really cares about integrating a browser into the OS (although the way MS did it, technologically, was a big screw-up--but that confuses the issue, there are many instances (WebKit on OS X, Konqeror on KDE) where it's been done right). It's not the action, it's the ultimate effect the action has on the user that people really are fed up with.

    Which brings us back to the topic at hand. What is the effect of Apple's announcement? Media buzz? Big deal, who cares. It doesn't quash Dell or IBM by locking them out of a market, it doesn't pull the rug out from under the consumer. In fact, it's the result of a screw up at Apple, and they're afraid of an already slow and, to some, stale product continuing to get ever more slow and stale. They've fessed up, and humbled themselves before the consumer. What they've done is take a bad situation and do the right thing about it.

    This is a good thing, and if MS did it, I, for one, would find it refreshing. Sadly, MS rarely does the right thing, so I have to look to Apple (and, for other but somewhat similar reasons, IBM) for a company that I can feel good about dealing with--that the persuit of money doesn't corrupt everything it touches, as it so often seems to do (such as you see with the RIAA, MS, and Sony's ATRAC players).

  14. Obligatory Prediction by be951 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely these delays are a death knell for Apple. It is only a matter of time before they go under. 2005 will be the year that Apple dies. If not then, definitely by 2027 (or very soon after that!).

  15. Re:Brain Holed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If your CS lab is forcing you to code in Windows, they're doing something wrong. You should be coding platform-independant C, which you sure as heck won't be getting on Windows (unless you're using a godawful DOS prompt).

    What are you talking about? What does developing from the cmd shell have to do with what type of code you can write? You can write code that's just as portable in Windows as pretty much any other platform at the level that portability is reasonably maintainable (i.e. no gui's). Unless you're definition of portable means "*nix" of course.

    Plus what the hell difference does it make what platform you're writing in (even notwithstanding the fact that the guys lab is using the same OS that is significantly more likely to land that person a job), the point is to learn how to code. You talk about platform independence, then you start spouting off about restricting the platform (for dubious technical reasons).

  16. Re:Apple faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    trolling is for fags and losers
    That explains why you are doing it...
  17. A sunflower inspired Jonathan Ive's iMac 2 design: by michaeldot · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...which may explain why Jon was last seen wandering around Steve Jobs' vegetable patch muttering "I know we've got to ship, but all I can come up with is these damn broccoli sticks."

  18. Re:Clearing out old inventory? by adzoox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It isn't true at all, if you go through their 10K report you'll see that they hold about 16-18 days worth of inventory.

    The average person doesn't even keep up with release news. None of my 200 clients or so had even heard that there was a World Wide Developer Conference or that Apple had introduced new displays.

    The real reason is supposedly two fold.

    IBM is JUST NOW catching up with demand on PowerMacs for the G5. This computer will most likely be a G5. Demand is expected be met within the next few days to a week and then production in Taiwan on the new design iMac (most likely with a G5 but definitely with an IBM chip) will begin.

    We'll most likely see 1.6 1.8 and 2.0 single versions - the iMac will become Apple's single processor line and the Pro line will be it's dual processor line. As you can imagine, that's a lot of chips to produce.

    Apple is changing it's patterns, instead of building demand only to not ship and customers losing interest, they are building interest THEN shipping on time. This has pretty much been on the advice of IBM - and after the intro of 2.5 Ghz G5s and the backtrack on 3Ghz.

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  19. Re:G5s still unlikely by iJed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that its an "all new iMac" line hints at these models being G5 based. I don't see Apple completely redesinging the iMac just to release another G4 version. This would mean another complete redesign before they go G5. IBM seems to claim that the 970FX can run at very low power consumptions and is even suitable for a laptop. I am almost certain that these iMacs will be G5 based.

  20. Not True by garethwi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple currently has two distinct case types. White for home, and metallic for professional.

    The iBook, iMac and iPod are all white, while the Powerbook, Powermac and XServe are metallic.

  21. Re:Attention: Important info about Apple by saddino · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not content with ripping off Watson, they've now stolen the features for another product without proper recompense and included it in their "Tiger" OS.

    Not content with doing any actual research on this story, now you've propogated the misconception that Dashboard was "stolen" from Konfabulator.

    For John Gruber's excellent write-up on why this "spin" is plain wrong, read here.

  22. Re:Think through what you're saying by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    d) Apple engineers are trying to get the G5 into a form factor that is up to apple standards, not Dell Standards.

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  23. Re:Why not spill the beans on the new model now? by Bearpaw · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can't quite figure out why Apple didn't roll out a prototype of the iMac at WWDC or spill a few pictures to the rumor sites ...

    The people at WWDC (or paying attention to news about it) aren't generally an iMac market. It was a better place to focus on Tiger.