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Educational Software To Donate With Laptop?

SlartibartfastJunior writes "I will be sending my four-year-old laptop to a school in Uganda this fall. I plan to load up an older version of Windows (or something free), and I need suggestions - what should I load on it? I need suggestions for educational games, educational software, etc. that won't drain my battery too much (since the computer will only be able to recharge at night), won't require a CD (since my drive doesn't work 80% of the time), and won't be too America-centered (most of these children have never been more than ten miles out of their own villages, and wouldn't understand "Oregon Trail"). Also, any great ideas on where I can acquire copies of this software?"

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  1. Older Versions of Windows by Phosphor3k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are not free. Do not commit software piracy.

    Arrrrrr.

    1. Re:Older Versions of Windows by jarich · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No one else has pointed this out, so I will.

      I plan to load up an older version of Windows (or something free)

      He wants an older version of Windows OR something free.

      No one said anything about Windows being free. He isn't trying to pirate anything.

      If you don't want to RTFA, at least RTFP(ost)

    2. Re:Older Versions of Windows by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Aye and remember, while we follow slashdot and hear the same things again and again... some of those things get annoying.

      But there are also the several thousand people who have never seen a slashdot story before, fresh faces reading the comments on any given article. And some messages are important enough for them to see for the first time as well. Even if they do drive US up the fscking wall ;)

    3. Re:Older Versions of Windows by YuuShiSann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You definitely has a license for a Windows which has been installed when you brought your laptop. Just ship your laptop with a license doc. I would also advice you to replace the CDROM drive as it is critical to have it for recovery or loading other software.

  2. Real Lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Real Lives 2004, as previously mentioned on Slashdot. Oh, and Starcraft.

  3. Openoffice by ishamael69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OpenOffice or something of the sort would be nice. An office package is always useful.

  4. Civ and SimCity type games by TedTschopp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give them a couple old versions of Civ and Sim City.

    Those are educational and addictive enough. And are not American centric.

    Ted

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  5. My own experience by SIGALRM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Years ago I set up a punch-card scanner for a correspondence school in Kumasi, Ghana. The staff had never really worked with a computer much; I was suprised at their level of interest in the computer itself (just a P3).

    I had loaded a copy of Microsoft Encarta on the PC and they absolutlely loved that!

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    1. Re:My own experience by azuretek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the part of encarta that they probable liked the most was the little clips and such it comes with. I remember on of my first PCs had encarta that came with it, it was neat because I could look up pictures and video of interesting things.

      So even though wikipedia sounds good, it is rather bland and dull to the average person. Encarta is a winner in this case.

  6. While you're at it... by lamz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...replace the CD drive.

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    1. Re:While you're at it... by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I was thinking the same. This laptop sounds like something I'd pass over if it were in a bin at the Salvation Army. Don't donate your worthless junk instead of throwing it out. I mean personally I'd be pretty insulted if I were Ugandan. All this says to me is that you've got a shit laptop but shit laptops are good enough for Ugandan school children.

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  7. Do they speak English? by Grant29 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You might spend all your time creating a nice load, but if they can't speak english youre probably wasting your time. Are you sure they don't have any IT people over there that will put a base set of apps on the machine? They might just format it and start from scratch.

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  8. Came with a license? by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're not, but most laptops came with windows, so I'd say it's probably licensed for at least 95 (supposing that the license wasn't therafter used on another PC).

    1. Re:Came with a license? by JPriest · · Score: 4, Insightful
      At the point where MS started tying copies of it's operating system to a hardware ID, if I give someone an old computer, they can have the copy of windows and the license with it.

      If MS does not like that, I will get them a spoon so they can eat my ass.

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    2. Re:Came with a license? by bishiraver · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Linux / Mac/OS installs (like either of those would run on a four year old Toshiba)
      Linux, at least, works on old laptops. I don't know the manufacture date of my old Dell laptop, but the Pentium 3 500mhz was released in 1999, so I'm guessing the mobile version came out in 2000. Which makes it about four years old, maybe a tad bit less. I run a 2.6.6 kernel on a debian machine with a light window manager (fluxbox unstable), and get about 2 hours battery life out of it doing office apps. If I stayed in console, I could get a lot more time out of it.

      If you put gnome on it, with a nice shiny interface and easy to use buttons, etc, I'd say linux is the best way to go with this. It'll last the longest, use the least ammount of battery, and if you keep the root password (unless they for some reason have a linux guru, who asks for the root password) after installing everything, they can't delete any system files on accident.

      The same does not go for any version of Windows before NT.
    3. Re:Came with a license? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Insightful
      According to MS's EULA (as I remember it) the license is non-transferrable in any way shape or form either acroos CPUs or across people. If you blow your nose, change your CPU, sell your computer, or get hit by a truck and suffer amnesia, chances are you'll have to buy another license from them. (( OK, you don't have to do it if you blow your nose, but if you get amnesia and can't remember where the certificate of authenticity is, chances are they'll ask you to buy another license -- even if they're not selling win'98 any more )).

      In any case, if you load Linux onto the machine, you'll be pretty sure that you're in the legal clear (given that this is a non- commercial distribution, you'd simply have to give them a pointer to the source code -- but giving them a copy of the source on CD would be polite, even if they'd have to find another computer to read it).

      The other advantage of Linux is that they'd be all but imune to most viruses and trojans, and the process of user separation is a lot more sane on Linux than it is on Windows. A 5-10GB hard drive (pretty common in '2000) should be enough to load a pretty complete distribution and still have room for user files.
      Most Linux distributions can install over the 'net, so as long as you have high-speed (or lots of dial-up time) all you need to do an install is a floppy disk (although Fedora core 2 doesn't come with floppy based installation tools, it's possible to beat it into submission by writing the net-install CD partition to disk and creating a grub descriptor for it.).

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    4. Re:Came with a license? by wwwillem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Linux, at least, works on old laptops.

      I would say that even stronger, Linux works BETTER on old laptops. If I see how many of my colleagues have an awful time to get things like wireless, power management, etc. working on their latest/greatest notebooks, while I run various (at least 5-6) different distro's on mainly 4 year old Sony's and Fujitsu's (the PIII, 500-600Mhz type) and have no issues with video projectors, USB sticks, battery monitoring and suspension/hibernation, WiFi, PalmPilot interfacing, you name it.

      Why old laptops are so great is of course simple, all the problems have in the meantime been ironed out. And on the average, IMHO performance is still pretty decent. Take care of a decent new harddisk, beef up the memory as much as you can (both are cheap nowadays) and off you go. Many new notebooks get cheap and underpowered CPU's like Celeron's. In my experience those are in real life not faster than 3-4 year old PIII's. The new Pentium M's will give you a bit more juice, but many employers are "going cheap". And all those newer laptops come with all those headaches to get them configured.

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  9. how useful? by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am not sure how useful an old laptop with a defective cdrom drive will be, but here it is. If it can be plugged in at night, it seems it can plugged in at day and just used as a small desktop, btw, so I don't really focus on power.

    Linux as the OS (there are tons of language options), Open Office for docs, ALL the standard Linux games that come with typical distros to first expose the kids to computing and get them used to using a computer. Most dont use text, so language is irrelevant, and they teach basic thought skills. (Tux Racer may seem weird to them, watching a penguin belly flop on snow trying to catch herring is not a typical scene in Africa ;) This allows them to use Gimp, sound editing, video editing, web design, etc. or anything else and you don't have to know what their needs are in advance (which you probably can't do anyway).

    Suse 9.1 (you can buy a home rolled copy on ebay for $10, shipping and all) is an EXCELLENT distro. 5 CDs and unreal amounts of software. Fedora is a decent choice as well. Choose to install all the extra games with Gnome as well.

    One of the biggest advantages of using Linux instead of Windows is that they can copy it to other computers they get without breaking any laws, so everyone can use the same platform, making training and maintenance easier, and support is available in many languages from many people. Another advantage is the ability to have true multiple users on the system without the threat of screwing up someone elses files, and you can't delete the system files by accident if you are not root. (win9x is dangerous for newbs in that way).

    The average win9x system comes with less than 300mb of software (200mb of it bloat), but you can install up to 4+ gigs of software from a good Linux distro, so its easier to prep the box and make it useful, using all Free software. Or you can install much less and still have a great system.

    Also, using Linux, your gift is less likely to become a source of trojaned spam in the future ;)

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    1. Re:how useful? by cammoblammo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure how much easier XP would be to someone who has never used a computer than any of the Linuxen. For a start, it's doubtful XP will even run on this machine, and once product activation kicks in it'll be useless anyway. If you really wanted to go the Windows way, Win95 or 98 might do the trick, bearing in mind the possible legal problems.

      And why won't they be able to configure Linux for themselves? Believe it or not, it's not necessarily that difficult, and if it's been set up before, there may not be a problem.

      At the end of the day, as other posters have already noted, the hard drive will probably be overwritten and loaded up with whatever is most appropriate in Uganda. At the end of the day, we've got to let these folk make up their own minds about what to do.

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  10. The question here is... by maggeth · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...what is it they need?

    I know it sounds silly, but you should ask the people you are donating to what specifically they need. It is much better for them if they get something they don't need to make any modifications to whatsoever. They will have some experience in the field and will have dealt with many people like you. Maybe they are more concerned about the shape of the hardware (perhaps they will format it as soon as they get it and put their own stuff on it).

    So ask. :)

  11. Try helping America first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's nice that you are sending your laptop away to help someone else. Quite a commendable act.

    My question is, why in the world are you sending it to another country? There are plenty of students right here in the U.S. that could use this hardware. I am all for helping out other countries, but I feel that we should take care of our own first. When all of our students have laptops, then we should consider sending them to other contries.

  12. Send Learning, Not Technology by hardpack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After spending some time in Eastern Africa, at times dealing with technology concerns, most villages don't have the resources to take advantage of software applications in reality. For example, what good is OpenOffice if they don't have a printer, toner cartridges, and paper? Also, climate control might be difficult for them, so just keeping any of this stuff operational is going to be a huge undertaking.

    Maybe give them an archive of Wikipedia or HowStuffWorks would even be better! What good is Celestia when they need to learn how to fix a motorbike or a radio? Or health information?

    Especially if the equipment isn't being sent to a *large* city, then the dust, humidity, shipment, and general treatment is going to send the equipment to the graveyard pretty soon anyways.

  13. Software in Zaire by electronikthot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My mother, a computer geek, lives in the Democratic Republic of Congo (ex-Zaire) and volunteers her time in various ways in hospitals and recently said this about computers and the DRC.

    If you're going to donate software, just remember that most people in Africa do not speak English.

    1. Outlook and a browser would be first on the list. Congolese want to explore and the most impotant thing for them is exploring the world through WWW and keeping in touch with loved ones.

    2. Second on the list is antivirus and anti-spyware. After various worms like Blaster receed here, they persist for months in the RDC because no one protect their computers. I often hear about the crippling effect viruses have on computers there.

    3. With few printers and no projectors, Powerpoint, Excel, and Word are possibly over the top.

    4. RPGs, Strategy game would just not make sense . Sport, Racing, and first person shooter would be a better choice.

    She says that the situation there is dire. The school system is rudimentary and most have never seen or touched a computer. The average person there finishes school before 6th grade to work. Most work laborful jobs, the lucky ones work as maids, sentinels, chauffers, and other service jobs making $30-$50 a month.

    With computers costing twice as much there than here and Cybercafes charging several dollars an hours, very little of the population can afford computing of any kind. FYI, With almost no phones lines, everyone uses cellular phones and to connect to an ISP, you need to buy a $1000 transmitter that gives you about 6 Kilobytes max a second. The monthly charge is > $100 a month.

    In 2003 and then in 2004, They had an Internet Festival aka "Fête de l'Internet" . The most popular booth was by far the President's booth. He had some computers with free internet access and there was apparently a line around the corner to use this access.

    A craigslist for RDC called infoCongo was started and this is one of the most popular sites there. Unfortunatley, with a small amount of user base, what's popular there looks quite void to US Standards.

  14. Re:I dont know what it is...because hes right by raodin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because to someone with *no* computer, a four year old laptop is better than nothing. Myself, I think your "its four years old.. its USELESS!" attitude is worse. I use a four year old computer daily.. its not my main machine, but its still useful.

    As long as the thing works, there's nothing wrong with donating it. Although, I would suggest he replace the finicky cd-rom before sending it off. It may not be any use to him (having been replaced by newer hardware) but that doesnt make it useless. The fact that he *could* sell it on e-bay and send them the money pretty much proves that its useful to someone, now doesn't it??

    Sure, buying a new laptop and donating it would be even better, but even in the US not everyone can afford to donate a brand new laptop...

  15. Re:Uganda is the suxx0rz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You know you're a fuckhead ?