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Spider-Man 2 Has Over 30 Mistakes
Jon Sandys writes "Spider-Man 2 may have won over the critics, but the hard-nosed bastards at moviemistakes.com are listing 31 mistakes already - and no, not nitpicky stuff that's different from the comics. A scar swaps sides on Peter Parker's face and dummies are visible in hurled cars, not to mention the numerous errors involving tritium which I'm sure Slashdot readers will enjoy refuting. Read the complete listing on the Spider-Man 2 page." Also, people bitten by spiders don't generally become ultra-powerful.
plus were is the great spider-man chatter during fights? He's a smart-ass yet he's was quiet.
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Plot hole: Harry tells Doc Ock that in order to find Spider-Man he must find Peter first. Doc Ock finds Peter with Mary Jane in the cafe and throws a car through the window straight at them. Any normal man would've been killed instantly, and Doc Ock doesn't know that Peter is Spider-Man. Given that Peter is his only lead on Spider-Man, it makes no sense that Doc Ock would effectively try to kill him.
Continuity: When Peter arrives at his aunt's home at the beginning of the movie, it's night. He talks to Harry in the kitchen a few minutes later, and look at the purple balloon by Peter's head, it reflects a window with lots of light coming through it.
Continuity: During the final conversation between Spider-Man and Doc Ock, the rips in Spider-Man's suit keep changing. For instance, there is a tear on his right shoulder; for most of the scene, there is a single piece of black webbing left holding the rip together, but when Doc Ock grabs Spider-Man's arm, the rip now has two pieces of black webbing. Then it goes back to one.
Continuity: When Peter and Mary Jane are together in his apartment at the end of the film, the collar of Peter's t-shirt keeps changing positions underneath his sweater. Sometimes it is fully visible all the way around, sometimes it's higher on the left or right side, and during the closer shots it isn't visible at all.
Factual error: In the scene where Peter is saving the children from the burning building, there is no smoke from the fire. Black smoke would be bellowing out the windows. He wouldn't be able to just stand up and walk through the building.
Visible crew/equipment: On the way to the theater Peter Parker intercepts policeman chasing a couple of bad guys. At the end of that scene one of the police cars has a tremendous wreck that swings the car sideways. There is a clear shot of the driver with a black helmet on.
Continuity: During the train scene, Spider-man's mask had gone partially black. We also see it when Spidey puts his mask back on. Yet when Doc brings him to Harry, we don't even see a patch of darkness on his mask.
Continuity: Doc Ock pulls the giant sun ball and its support down onto himself, so he should be under it as they descend, yet in the final shot of him sinking into the ocean, the ball is below him and he is falling after it.
Audio problem: It's clear that due to the tentacles' heaviness, they have to made some kind of sound when moving. But yet when Doc Ock takes the tritium from Harry in his house, he leaves without making any sound at all.
Factual error: Nobody would dare to cut a metal piece with a saw without eye protection, much less in a surgical room, like the surgeon that wanted to remove Doc Ock's tentacles.
Revealing: In the scene where Doc Ock comes out of the hospital and throws a car onto another one, you can tell the man in there is just a dummy. He has no reaction what so ever. He just sits there as if nothing happened.
Revealing: In the scene at the end where Spider-Man and Mary Jane are in the big web, there is a close-up which shows the webbing behind them. We can blatantly see that it's wire wrapped in plastic of some kind to make it look like web.
Factual error: Dr. Octavius says his fusion relies on tritium and that there is only 25 pounds of the substance in the world. In reality, tritium is merely an isotope of hydrogen and is a good deal more common than that. For example, there is a large region of the North Pacific that contains tritium-rich salt water. Submitted by Phoenix
Continuity: Peter has a small horseshoe-shaped scar on his right cheek. In Dr. Octopus's lab, as Octopus is destroying the fusion reactor, they share a meaningful look and the scar has switched cheeks.
Factual error: Considering the brightness of the fusion process, Dr. Octavius has to wear special goggles to be able to see it. Yet no one else in the room is wearing such goggles or seem hurt by watching the whole process, just as at the en
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Fact: Movie stills contain timestamp information. If you "accidentally" created a mirror image by reversing the film, the timestamp would be backwards and the timestamp reader would complain. Somebody would notice. Therefore, mirror image shots are not accidental.
Most of the time a director selects a mirror image shot because he was unable to get the real shot he wanted (it happens in nearly every movie, but it's most noticeable when a main character has a lopsided image). In some cases, the director chooses the mirror image shot to cover up an actual mistake (e.g. the main character went left and he was supposed to go right). Sometimes it's more important to the director for a film to maintain spacial consistency than to keep scars/tatoos/whatever on the right side of the screen. However, you won't always know whether it was a coverup or if the shot was reversed on purpose. In either case, you can be assured that director knows and obviously doesn't care which side the scar is on.
OK, a lot of stuff bugged me in Spiderman2, but a few things stand in in my mind, none of which were adressed in this list.
1. How are you going to tell me a fusion reaction, what was supposedly a small sun, was drowned by water???
2. OK, so the fusion thing didn't work out, you're telling me that the technology going into those robotic arms that could instantly send wires capable of interacting with the human brain and be powered by no easily identifiable power source werent worth anything? As well as the biggest break-through in fusion energy ever? Yeah right.
3. OK, this one is a bit more nit picky... helicopters do not just go flying in between the buildings of New York like that, especially not so close to one another.
The movie was good as a whole, but a lot of the plot just didnt make sense. It doesnt seem like it would take that much thinking power to get rid of those few anomolies. Oh, and the one woman reporter asks about the super intellegent AI and Doc Ock had never even mentioned anything about the arms being intellegent!!! Why did the arms have to be intellegent at all??? Gah! Oh, and Doc Ock didn't tell whats his face how much of that gold junk he needed. He just said he wanted some. There were soooooo many technical errors in that movie and I wasnt even looking for them!
Continuity errors bore me, and I try to ignore the plot holes, but The IMDB's trivia page is often fascinating.
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Actually, the US requires a constant inventory of about 30 kilos of the stuff, which must be completely recycled roughly every decade, to maintain the nuclear arsenal. Over forty years, the cost is between $1B-6B depending on how it is produced. So say 120kilos for $3B, or about $25M per kilo, which is still pretty freaking expensive, but nothing that couldn't be attributed to a rounding error in the $2 Trillion federal budget.
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No one, including the US or former Soviet government, has ever had that much tritium in one place like that.
Bullshit.
The Hanford Reservation has several square MILES contaiminated with tritium.
It was in the last process stream before discharging it to the ground - over the course of 40 years.
Here's a list of figures showing the groundwater contamination at the Hanford Site. Keep in mind that the area in the boundary is 540 SQUARE MILES. Check out map S-7.
That contamination doesn't include what is trapped in the vadose, the waste streams that have been treated in treatment facilities, and the tritium produced at Savannah River, Pocatello, and New York.
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The bigger the film, the more it costs to fix nitpicky mistakes. Maybe the artistic people notice it and want it fixed, but the bean counters won't let them.
James Cameron delayed the release of Titanic from summer to Christmas in order to fix nitpicky things. IIRC, there was a CG shot of the boat sinking where the prop was turning even though the engine room was underwater. In order to get the release delayed, Cameron gave up his entire director's fee. Luckily, he still got a percentage of the box office and ended up just fine.
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1. There is no elevated trains in downtown/midtown Manhattan 2. Shots are frequently switching between a background of midtown, brooklyn, queens, and the village. 3. There is no D'Agostinos on St. Marks 4. etc, etc, etc
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There is a "perfect films" section at moviemistakes.com. Perhaps you could start your research there.
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So my question.. In the original comic, does the webbing actually come from his body, or is it an invention of Peter Parkers?
It's an invention. He carries extra cans of web fluid on his belt (under his outfit) and swaps them into his wrist-mounted web shooters as needed. To be honest, I think the "it's just a super power" explanation is less implausible.
As I recall, the original comic also makes a big deal about him inventing the white lenses in his mask.
Actually, that sort of left to right switch is usually an intentional error created when the editor and/or director decides that the framing works better in a particular shot if the image is reversed. Sometimes the "errors" are corrected digitally, but most often they are left in as the cost of re-touching the footage outweighs what is arguably a minor detail that most people will miss.
What I find annoying is the number of nitpicky "film flubs" that get posted on sites like the one linked to in the news post that have more to do with the lack of imagination/suspension of disbelief on the part of the viewer than anything else. There are generally a few interesting real errors listed in such places, but they get lost amongst all the chaffe.
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I don't think people should try to hold movies to any kind of "reality standard". Even the most grounded movie story is told by men wearing makeup that techies spent an hour carefully lighting. People stand on boxes to look taller, directors tell actors to step farther apart so that their distance will reflect their relationship, and no one ever has to go to the bathroom.
No one ever points it out as a "mistake" in movies, but Spider-Man 2 took a step closer to reality by choosing to not have every car that was overturned explode in a huge ball of flames.
FWIW, Sam Raimi directed the Evil Dead movies, which are cult classics despite having some of the largest movie mistakes to ever slip by audiences. (For ex: in Evil Dead 2 there is no ceiling in the house, and during some of the fast shots you can see techies heads poking over the tops of the walls. People never seem to notice this until someone tells them to look for it!)
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If we assume that the tritium was present as tritium oxide (heavy heavy water)--which is not an unreasonable way to store the stuff, really--then a 2 kg mass of the stuff would contain about 500 g of pure tritium; that's about (I'm going to work in round figures here) 100 moles of tritium.
Tritium has a specific activity of 28.8 curies per millimole; so we're looking at a total activity of 28800 Ci per mole by 100 moles: about 3 million curies total activity.
Market price for bulk tritium seems to be about $2 per curie, so that sphere contains about six million dollars' worth of tritium. Expensive (call it about two thousand times the price of gold, by weight) but not untenable.
On the other hand, the peaceful commercial use of tritium runs to a half kilogram or so per year. The rest of the usage is in weapons programs, and accounts for a few kilograms.
Canada is the world's major commercial supplier, as tritium is generated as a waste product in its heavy-water moderated and cooled nuclear reactors. More than three kilograms are produced each year, and much of that is presumably stockpiled since Canadian law forbids the export of Canadian tritium for use in weapons programs.
To conclude...two kilograms of fully tritiated water would be expensive, dangerously radioactive, and hard to acquire--but it's not outside the realm of the possible. Actually, you can reduce the tritium requirement a bit by assuming that some of the weight of that sphere is shielding. I also haven't done the calculations for heating due to radioactive decay; you might need to use something that boils at a higher temperature than water, or dilute the stuff a bit. Still, I'd say an upper limit of 500 grams of tritium is a reasonable guess.
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Which makes sense. Read the books. The Kessel Run is a special course around a cluster of hundreds of black holes...the closer you get to the black holes, the less amount of space you have to cross, but the more dangerous it gets.
(BTW I think it was 12 parsecs)
By going in less than 12 parsecs, Han went dangerously close to the black holes, closer than most other ships ever go.
I have a reprinting of the first spider man comic (Amazing Fantasy issue 15). He uses little gadgets attached to his arms. Here are some quotes of him talking to himself (in sequential order, omitting a few for context).
"Now let's see -- a spider needs a web! This little device should just do the trick"
"I'll fasten one to each arm -- it'll operate by the slightest pressure of any finger!"
"I'll need a name -- well, guess SPIDER-MAN is as good as any! Looks pretty good, if I do say so myself!"
"With some strong liquid cement at the end, I can pull myself up anywhere with my little web! And my costume is thin enough to wear, unseen, under my street clothes!"
btw, the outfit spidey wears when fighting the wrestler for the money, is a white sweatshirt, bluejeans, brown shoes, and what appears to be fishnet stockings over his head.
It is 0.23 eV in the film.
In English, the ajective typically preceeds the noun. Thus, Clinton was an American President, not a President American, even though he was president for only 8 years and an American his whole life.
I have a red car, even though only the paint is red and the entire thing is a car.
Parker is a man. Spider is a modifier like 'typical', 'super', or 'bat.'
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Have to admit it was nice eye candy, but its quite possible for a fusion reaction to destroy an entire city. Ever seen a test detenation of an Hydrogen Bomb (Fusion) compared to a standard Atomic Bomb (fission) bomb? Its true the Hydrogen (or thermonuclear) bomb uses the explosion of a standard atomic bomb to start the fusion process, but the result is an uncontained fusion reaction and the release of the resulting energy is pretty devistating. At least until the fuel is expended. And there isn't a lot of fuel inside one of those things...a few kilos at best and that's the resulting energy release. Example II: Stars, in particular those that go bang or supernova. The elments get too heavy after most of the lighter fuel burns up and boom...you either have one less solar system in the galactic neighborhood or a new blackhole, or both. When fusion gets out of control or is uncontrolled, it ads a whole other catagory to the word boom. The whole idea of a commerical fusion reactor has not the problem of creating a fusion reaction (we can do that, look at previous example of nuclear weapons) but sustaining the reaction to the point where it produces rather than consumes energy (I've read before researchers are getting close to the 1 to 1 threashold and probably will by 2015), and lastly controlling the reaction where can be useful for heating water and turning turbines to produce electricity. We don't get power from the current fission methods directly, we do so by passing water through reaction generating steam to turn turbines for power. I am assuming we'd do the same with fusion. My big question is what happens if the reaction not only becomes sustainable, but producing energy (and presuming a lot of it) and containment (ie the magnetic bubble around it) is breached, what happens to the access energy? Unless the laws of thermodynamics have changed, it has to go somewhere. Its true that the reaction itself would fizzle once its fuel supply is exhausted (like in a Hydrogen bomb), but what about the resulting energy release? Now the one glaring thing I didn't quite understand is if it was a feeding chain reaction, wouldn't submersing it in water not be such a good idea since water is a good source of hydrogen? Not only that, but wouldn't the heat produced by the reaction cause the water to steam around it at least for a while? I am more familar with the Tamamak fusion designs with magnetic bubbles and stuff, guess they are looking into other methods with lasers and stuff too. But my $.02
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if anything goes wrong with the containment field, there is no sudden outburst of energy, the thing just fizzles
to create fusion, you must maintain exceedingly accurate and high levels of energy and pressure
if you fail to do that in the slightest way, everything falls apart rapidly
there is no explosion
as for your hydrogen bomb, what you say about it is not instructive or relevant as to what we are talking about: a fusion reactor
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I think a fusion reaction is going to be rather too fast for that, but that's how the original fission reactors worked, pushing rods into the pile to absorb excess neutrons. And in the Manhattan Project, they did some hair-raising (or losing) experiments with two masses of plutonium, slowly pushing them towards each other just to see if the chain reaction proceeded as predicted. "Tickling the dragon's tail", it was called. One scientist, Louis Slotin, got a lethal dose of radiation when the hemispheres accidentally touched.
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In the old cartoon I remember the webbing wasn't a part of the mutation. He actually had web shooting devices. I know in an episode or two he actually ran out. Didn't see the movies yet though, one of the few doing that whole not supporting the MPAA thing.
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>>water should still boil if you toss superheated stuff into it.
Depends...
In theory it should, but remember, the specific heat capacity of water is (approximately) 4200 J kg^-1 K^-1 (as in 4200 joules of energy to raise 1kg of water by 1 degree Kelvin)
So, if there was a sufficient amount of water, then the net effect of a heated material being dropped in there would be low. It does also rely on the specific heat capacity and temperature of our super heated objects. (The one could work out how much energy is in our super heated objects, and then work out what rise in temperature the water will experience)...
For those who still might be missing something, here is an example:
1kg of water gets an object with 8400 joules of energy dropped into it. Thus, the temperature of that 1kg of water should only go up 2 degrees Kelvin.
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Hint - Hydrogen is a very good fusion 'fuel'.
Actually, in both reactor scenes, lots of Iron (plating from walls, structural girders) is shown being drawn in to the fireball. Solution? Let it be. Nothing poisons a fusion reaction better than Iron. Why?
Fusion liberates energy from combining small atomic nuclei to make larger ones, H+H=>He or even hotter, He+He=>Be. This works until you get to Iron. Fusing Iron nuclei together to form even bigger ones uses energy, which is why you won't find spectrographic evidence of Iron or heavier elements in 1st-generation stars. These heavy elements are only formed in novae or supernovae (it took a conscious effort to spell that word correctly!)
That's assuming a lumped capacitance model, which is false. In reality we're dealing with a convection system in a semi-infinite medium. The heat will not be convected away fast enough from a fusion system before it vapourises the liquid.