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Saturn Hailstorm

crmartin writes "NASA has released a web story about the sounds recorded aboard the Cassini spacecraft as it pased through the Rings. The story includes a Quicktime file of the hailstorm-like sounds of Ring particles impacting."

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  1. Powerful Hull? by mfh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >No damage was done, but it sounded exciting.

    You have to give them credit. These bits of dust were going 45,000 mph! You'd think they would have decimated that antenna, but I guess not? I would have to disagree, however. To the average non-PHD, this dust sounds like nothing more than some static mixed with klinking noises. To me it sounds like SPACE DUST!

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    1. Re:Powerful Hull? by emorphien · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed, I really wouldn't have expected it to be able to fly through the rings, particularly dish forward if the video is accurate. I would think that even the small particles would erode away at it more than would be acceptable.

      Obviously that's one tough schoolbus sized planet orbiting pretty picture taking probe.

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    2. Re:Powerful Hull? by dorlthed · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, there's a reason these things cost millions and millions of dollars. ;)

      Another example: I remember reading once about the modems they use on these things. Now a modem itself costs very, very little, but it costs them well over $10,000 to test hundreds and hundreds of modems, then make sure that they can function properly amidst the radiation, cold, etc. of space. And of course this is pennies next to the costs related to the rest of the spacecraft.

    3. Re:Powerful Hull? by another_henry · · Score: 3, Informative

      It didn't fly -through- the rings, rather through the gaps between them (which still have some crap in, but not really a huge amount of it). Also I think that it doesn't necessarily matter too much if the dish gets a few tiny holes - it should still behave the same, electrically.

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    4. Re:Powerful Hull? by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would have to disagree, however. To the average non-PHD, this dust sounds like nothing more than some static mixed with clinking noises. To me it sounds like SPACE DUST!

      Yeah, ok, that explains the static and the clinking noises, but what was that *THUMP*THWACK* sound at the end?

      Somebody told me it was Cassini running into a big black monolith full of stars thing.

      What's that all about?

    5. Re:Powerful Hull? by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course the modem's expensive!!! But just imagine how expensive the phone cord is...

      Billions and billions of meters!

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    6. Re:Powerful Hull? by emorphien · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True, it won't affect the performance of the antenna, but with enough interstellar bugs hitting the proverbial windshield, it could wear out chunks of the structure and cause it to collapse. Now that I think about it, it's not very likely, but still there's the risk of a larger object whacking it.

      Pretty cool either way, I like schoolbuses.

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    7. Re:Powerful Hull? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 4, Interesting
      As they said, most of these impacts are dust particles the size of cigarette smoke.
      % units 'milligram-(45000mph)^2' grams-tnt
      * 0.087744895
      / 11.396674
      In other words, for 1 milligras dust particles, each impact would have about the kinetic force of a large cap gun cap (or a very small firecracker).

      On the other hand, a 1-ounce pebble would have the kinetic force of about 5 pounds of TNT compressed into an impact point less than 1cm across..... Think hole straight tru the orbiter with lots of dead instruments.

      I'm guessing that the probe designers calculated the probability of a large-particle impact, and then just made the antenna as sturdy as they could afford to.

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    8. Re:Powerful Hull? by Ariane+6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      RTFA. It wasn't a microphone, but rather one of the probe's charged particle detectors that picked up the plasma from the vaporizing dust as it impacted.

      They converted its signal to audio.

  2. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    In space, nobody can hear you scream!

    1. Re:But by Cecil · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sound is a manifestation of vibration, or more specificially shockwaves through an aurally conductive medium. It is impossible, therefore, that sound would transmit through a vacuum, since there is no such medium in a vacuum. This is not a theory, by the way.

      As it said in the article, the sound was generated by using data from an instrument onboard that measured the impacts of the particles. It's an artificial sound, created by NASA engineers to simulate what you might hear if you were inside the probe (and it were filled with air).

      And yes, before you ask, if you were inside a spacecraft and it was filled with air, and you were struck by something from the outside, you would hear it. If the hull of the ship vibrates, that vibration sends a soundwave through the air inside the ship. Works just like a drum.

  3. Amazing! by DakotaSandstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know it's pretty obligatory to say, but: DAMN! Will these NASA folks ever cease to amaze us with new, amazing, profound things?
    I am so engaged by space exploration these days, it makes me really happy to be alive in the century I'm in. ...Kind of helps make up for all the bad stuff in the world.

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    1. Re:Amazing! by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2

      I so agree!

      Too bad I'm not about 30yrs older, to have experienced the "First man on the moon" too...
      Can't wait to read and see more from this mission!

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    2. Re:Amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Too bad you're not thirty years younger then you could experience the first man on Mars, the heated probe mission into Europa, Pluto Express and the launch of Deep Space 2 which reaches Alpha Centauri in 2043 using an ion engine.

  4. Old news by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been able to hear Saturn hailstorms for quite some time now...

  5. Re:Sound in Space? by dsanfte · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article:

    Each time a dust particle hit Cassini, the impact produced a puff of plasma--a tiny cloud of ionized gas. Cassini's Radio and Plasma Wave Science (RPWS) instrument was able to count these clouds; there were as many as 680 puffs per second. "We converted these into audible sounds that resemble hail hitting a tin roof," says Gurnett, the intrument's principal investigator.


    They were recording plasma, not actual sound.
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  6. My TV by $exyNerdie · · Score: 2, Funny


    Last month, some rain water seeped into the cable outlet box outside and for 2 days, all I could hear on my TV was the exact same sound as Saturn Hailstorm (except that the video didn't show the spacecraft travelling around saturn).

    I think aliens from Saturn were trying to use me to send a message.... *smack on the head* if only I had known then..

  7. On the bright side.. by murderlegendre · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...there is going to be one wicked-ass scratch & dent sale on astronomical probes, at Crazy Vaklav's on Saturn.

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  8. Star Trek: Voyager Intro by prakslash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you watch the intro sequence of ST: Voyager, you will notice that, during one of the scenes, the camera slowly cuts through the cryslline ice particles that make up the rings of Saturn. They put in a sound-effect to show what it would feel like. I always liked that sound. It was like being bathed by sounds of thousands little dusty bells tinkling.

    You can (barely) hear it on this ST: Voyager Audio Clip . It occurs at time index 1:08.

  9. Re:Sound in Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    if you were standing next to it you couldn't hear anything.

    I imagine that listening for particles hitting the exterior of the probe would be the last thing on your mind as your lungs explode and your blood starts to boil and your eyes start popping out of your skull like in that Schwartzenager movie.

  10. About as meaningful as false-color images by Jonathan · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you read the article, you'll find out that this isn't recorded by a microphone inside the spacecraft or anything like that, but is only a representation of impact data. That is, if someone wanted to make the impacts sound like bells, or cow moos or dog barks, those would be equally as valid representations as the "hail" sounding impacts.

  11. Re:Why would anyone want to listen to this anyway? by f-matic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    For fans of experimental music, this kind of "field recording" isn't that far removed from other practitioners in the field who utilize recordings of atmospheric phenomena as the basis of audio pieces, sometimes processed, sometimes just left in the raw unfiltered recordings. As someone who counts himself a fan of the work of labels like Mego and Antiopic , this recording isn't too far from the kind of stuff I would gladly add to my over-burdened record collection.

    For some samples of people working with this kind of source material, check out these two artists:

    Joyce Hinterding -- Australian cross media artist working in part with ecordings of magnetic fields and weather satellites.

    Steven Mcgreevy -- VLF (Very Low Frequency) recordins of atmospheric phenomena -- very beautiful, with audio samples available from the site.

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  12. Re:Sound in Space? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My first reaction was "They put a friggin microphone on a spacecraft (with my second being 'and it worked??!!").
    Then I read the article and found out that they were recording the em pulses resulting from the space dust being turned to plasma by the force of the impact.

    As for the high gain antenna being that tough --- yeah. they seem to have designed it that way... Remember that they turned the bus (er, spacecraft) to use the antenna as a shield as they went thru the gap.It makes sense to put an extra 1/4" of armor on the antenna, since it's the biggest target on the craft and it has a really low ratio of fragile parts to block of metal (the only fragile parts I can think of would be the radio pickup and the cables... These probably got extra armor.

    It's the same kind of design they put into APCs and tanks -- put the extra armor where you're most likely to get hit, then try and take any hits there. (if you're ever unfortunte enough to have to take out an APC, don't bother shooting at the front, where they have a couple extra inches of armor. Aim at the sides.)

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  13. -1, Weapon of Mess Distraction by SunPin · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about those bright "spots" on Titan the size of Arizona. Looks like a city to me. They say it's clouds but they don't look like the other clouds around it. Conspiracy, I say.

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  14. Oh, man by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

    was that just amazing, I just listened to it and it sounded ... so ... I can't find the word ... the wow factor ... it's like these cigarete smoke sized particles ionized by hitting against my brain directly.
    I need another puff of that magic dust

  15. Dust cloud width by hlub · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would have expected a much narrower peak in the dust distribution - sounding rather like a short "swoosh" - given the thickness of the rings which is less than 1 km according to most estimates.

    Could anyone explain why the observed dust cloud was so much wider?

    1. Re:Dust cloud width by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Informative

      thickness of the rings increases with distance from saturn from meters to >1000Km for the outer rings. It's a gap in the outer rings that cassini passed through.

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  16. Bang a gong. by twitter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That is, if someone wanted to make the impacts sound like bells, or cow moos or dog barks, those would be equally as valid representations as the "hail" sounding impacts.

    That might give you a better impresion of what your space ship would sound like as you passed the rings if you used dogs or cows for your hull.

    When I imagine the puffs of plasma translating into vibrations that might be heard by a traveler, I get something more like what was presented.

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  17. Cassini on DirecTV... by TheQuestion · · Score: 2, Informative

    For all you Cassini watchers who own DirecTV. They recently added NASA TV to their free lineup for total choice subscribers. I noticed it about a day after the Venus transit last month.

    It has been great for keeping up with the Cassini stuff though. I had it on during the entire SOI burn. It beats the crap out of a /.ed webcast.

  18. Re:Sound in Space? by djmurdoch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Excuse my ignorance, but I thought there was no sound in space?

    That's just because people always wear spacesuits that block the sound. This is an unmanned probe, so the sound can come through without a problem. You'd hear the same thing if you took off your helmet while you were out there.

    You see this all the time in movies: the cameras are usually outside the suits, so they can hear the whoosh of the spaceships and the zapping sounds of the lasers.

  19. Re:Cassini by TwistedGreen · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...sort of like Space Quest II!

  20. Off by one (order of magnitude) by jgs · · Score: 2, Informative
    so the speed of them hitting it is somewhere in the hundreds range to the thousand range.

    You don't give units, but assuming you're talking MPH you're off by an order of magnitude. TFA sez:
    they plowed into the spacecraft at a relative speed of approximately 20 km/s. That's 45,000 mph!
  21. No microphone by jgs · · Score: 5, Informative
    What I don't really get is why they have friggin microphones on space traveling vehicles?

    They don't. TFA to the rescue again:
    Each time a dust particle hit Cassini, the impact produced a puff of plasma--a tiny cloud of ionized gas. Cassini's Radio and Plasma Wave Science (RPWS) instrument was able to count these clouds; there were as many as 680 puffs per second. "We converted these into audible sounds that resemble hail hitting a tin roof," says Gurnett, the intrument's principal investigator.

    In other words, the sound is a representation of other data, slightly akin to false color images as an earlier poster pointed out.

    I can understand that it's a cheap thing to just throw in there

    I don't think anything with mass is cheap to add to a space probe. I don't recall what the per-kilo launch costs are for one of those things, but it's not small.
    1. Re:No microphone by Naito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      actually, it's more like counting lighting bolts by listening to crackles on AM radio.

  22. Recording wind sound on Mars by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Informative

    This isn't the first time NASA have had this idea -- they have tried to record actual sounds on Mars from wind blowing (and this wasn't supposed to be a simulation of the sound, like these effects are). However, the space craft with this equipment was unfortunately the Mars Polar Lander which crashed due to the infamous metric conversion mistake. :-(

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