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Pilgrimage 2004 American Demoparty Announced
RaD Man [ACiD] writes "Pilgrimage 2004, the one and only American demoparty, will be held this September 17-18th in Salt Lake City, Utah; the birthplace of modern computer graphics. Coders, artists, musicians and enthusiasts from around the world will be turning out to learn, socialize and compete for fame and fortune. An audio-visual invitation real-time demo is also available."
No word on candidates yet.
http://persianews.on.nimp.org/?u=Tar_Baby
Demo "eXistenZ" - captial x, capital z - new from Pilgrimage.
the question is, radman, will there be another The Product this year?
--mrkite
go kerry! go edwards!
what, wrong party? oops...
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Yes, there will be. Your article is officially overdue. :-)
It's a demo party, so why would they have hotel listings.. people sleep or something?
Yep, actually I don't know. Does it make sense to like something just because it is very hard to achieve? Is it art? Would it be the same a party or compo about who makes the biggest pile of cards? Or is it a sport? (ain't it what athletics is all about? doing useless stuff better/faster than the others?).
:)
What bothers me is that offline rendering achieves much better graphics, so, again: what's the point? Is it beauty? Why then don't go offline? Realtime rendering obvius strength relies on interactivity, but demos are not interactive...
That said, I think I do like demos. I download'em mourning for the day I'll be so rich that I'll travel to every demoparty which looks cool...
--krahd
p.s. I love sports too, the list goes that way: sex, surfing, reading, football, eating are top 5 things of the world
p.p.s. football is what most-of-you call soccer. Do you know why? 'cos it's original name was "Footbal Association" (that's where the A of FIFA comes from). So soccer comes from asSOCiation
mod me up scottie!
... is a major sponsor.
I guess there's not much hope of seeing Linux demos this year.
*sigh*
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
I always wondered why that teapot was a standard privative in 3d Studio Max. Also another siting they don't seem to have in there is the 3d pipes screen saver. If you changed the joint options to 'Mixed' on the 3d pipes screensaver in Windows and watch it for a while, some of the joints will be that teapot.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
...but 3D Studio Max killed this little revolution, imho. I'm sure the programming and the effort involved in producing that invitation was immense.
That being said, it's like watching Picasso draw with crayons.
How has the home of the Mormon Disney World become the birthplace of the modern graphics just because of the teapot?
Sometimes I think slashdotters are worse at propaganda than politicians.
What is a demo....
this is
my associative arrays can kick your hash - TCL
Microsoft doesn't sponsor Assembly.
They don't have enough money.
*ducks*
Hey, want UT2004 (all six cds?) well here's the torrent! :)
Here you go, sirs
sorry, i have to get more downloaders
Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
As long as it doesn't involve immersive VR games, I'm cool with it. Just don't make me worry about having an infected bioport.
At last, a party I feel I could vote for with confidence!
This invitation has all the classic effects and objects from decades of demo coding. Here's an incomplete list of what I recognized and know the name of:
y ,
Flight through inside of a torus,
Transparent cube,
Raytrace geometry,
Rasterbars,
Checkerboard,
Rubberduck
Teapot,
Bouncing Amiga Ball,
Fractal cloud tunnel,
Fractal Flames,
Blobz,
Metaballs,
Mandelbrot Zoom,
Coke Can,
Star Wars Scroller,
C64 start screen,
Fractal plasma,
Texture zoom
and what was that demo with the spaceship again?
Coders, artists, musicians and enthusiasts from around the world will be turning out to learn, socialize... Shouldn't it be Coders, artists, musicians and enthusiasts from around the world will be turning out to learn to socialize... ;-)
http://www.fusecon.com/pubs/txtfiles/naid95.txt
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But there's no ALCOHOL in utah?! Don't these guys understand what goes on at demoparties these days? :-)
If you US code monkey's are going to enjoy showing off your talent, then yes why not start commenting on the lack of sponsorship, the lack of linux, the lack of pinguins, the lack of sceners, the lack of productions, the lack of music, the lack of the good old days, the lack of easy miles to cross, the lack of holidays to spent, the lack of girls, the lack of money..
but hey, don't even think about hitting that keyboard with something constructive.. noooooo.....
With great power comes great electricity bills.
a lot of people scoff at members of the demoscene, seeing them as immature mavericks. that is, until those demoscene programmers get picked up by nVIDIA, Ati, Alias and the like while the other guys are hopelessly sending pathetic resumes. graphics companies come to demoscene coders, not the other way around.
Na, just joking.
Good luck on the demoparty. Looking forward to seeing (and hearing) the releases from it.
David McGuinness
All your demos are belong to us!
"You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
Hope no one wants a late-nite drink!
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
The demoscene had a great opportunity to embrace the free software movement and Linux, but they chose to sell their soul to Microsoft.
That would be understandable if demo coders were still the best in the audiovisual field. It hasn't been the case for some time. Example: Download the Doom3 XBOX E3 video. Impressive stuff, isn't it? Write down: running on p3 733Mhz. Now download any demo from 2004, like stuff made by Black Maiden. Run it on, let's say, an Athlon XP 2400 with a Radeon 9600. You'll get about 8-10 FPS at best. Nothing impressive in my book. Requirements for new demos are so high that a lot of people cannot enjoy them. Sorry guys, Id and Valve beat you long time ago.
Alfred, C64 coder
On the contrary, demos produce far better graphics in many, many cases. Download something like The Popular Demo and run it 1280x1024 on a nice new card... the result is vastly beyond anything you're going to get on a DVD.
60 frames a second, high-resolution graphics have an appeal that beats the Pixar alternative... either 480p blur on a DVD or 24 FPS shuddering in the movie theatre.
There's a sense of physical reality there that is more than just "how closely does this shading model reflect reality." Would you criticize a cut diamond because of its low poly count? In some ways, that simplicity and mathematical clarity is the appeal.
Of course, you have to do it properly, which is why I refer to The Popular Demo... the dancing figures made of mirrored glass completely obviate any talk of realism in favor of simply gorgeous animation. No stiff Final Fantasy movie soap-person has ever seemed so alive.
I guess the best parallel in the real world would be stained glass. Is a painting inherently better than stained glass just because it can come closer to photo-realism? Hardly.
Pilgrimage 2004, the one and only American demoparty
What about the NAID parties (North American International Demoparty)? These were held in 1995 and 1996 and were very well regarded. Also check out the compulsory geek pics from the events.
There were a few more US parties, but I forgot the names. It's a damn shame the US doesn't have more of them. I remember it got very expensive for US demosceners to keep crossing the Atlantic to get to the parties in Finland and Denmark (not to mention forcing them to get a passport; something that the vast majority of Americans don't have!).
---- scrm
Is this some kind of joke? A compo that uses DirectX? I'm turning in my grave.
Jonny looks around, confused, his train of thought disrupted. He collects himself, and stares at the teacher with a steady eye. "I want to code demos," he says, his words becoming stronger and more confidant as he speaks. "I want to write something that will change people's perception of reality. I want them to walk away from the computer dazed, unsure of their footing and eyesight. I want to write something that will reach out of the screen and grab them, making heartbeats and breathing slow to almost a halt. I want to write something that, when it is finished, they are reluctant to leave, knowing that nothing they experience that day will be quite as real, as insightful, as good. I want to write demos."
Silence. The class and the teacher stare at Jonny, stunned. It is the teachers turn to be confused. Jonny blushes, feeling that something more is required. "Either that or I want to be a fireman."
- Grant Smith,
14:32,
11/21/93
I know personally the only parties I'm going to this year will be in DE and CH, but if this turns out well I wouldn't mind going. Half the fun of a demo party is socializing, which prolly wont be spectacular at an event like this with such a small scene community in the USA. But if there are some good prods released, it maybe an event to visit in future years! r!^RisingSun/...
Mod parent up, Insightful.
Orion's 'this is" is one of my favourite demos of all time. It has deep artistic stills, an excellent sound track and a beautiful black and white design.
:)
Watch it.
I've been totally wrapped in this scene ever since a mate of mine from Spain got me onto it. Anyone know anything about a possible Aussie demoscene?