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Microsoft Delays Windows XP Service Pack 2

Rinisari writes "DesignTechnica, among some others , explains that Microsoft has once again delayed its release of Service Pack 2 for Windows XP, though only until August. Microsoft has declined to comment on the reason for the delay. Windows Update v5, however, is online and operational (and works with Service Pack 1!), although not officially so. I know many smaller education institutions are chomping at the bit with the looming release, as they are worried about compatibility with some of the new features in Service Pack 2."

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  1. invalid product keys... by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speculation that warez'd copies would still be allowed to update via Windows update were at least partly wrong. You may still be able to manually update Windows with an "invalid" product key but you cannot do it via the v5 Windows Update interface.

    [Error number: 0x80244028]
    Cannot validate the product key
    The product key used to install Microsoft Windows may not be valid. For more information about why you have received this error message, and steps you can take to resolve this issue, please visit How to Tell.

    1. Re:invalid product keys... by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's a bit more info with the first few links. Some speculation is that they're blacklisting all non-registered Corp keys, which is pretty much what all warez copies are of.

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    2. Re:invalid product keys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually, as of the latest SP2 build, all you need is a corporate key with a PID of 640. New key generators can give you perfect PID 640 keys instantly and several people now have SP2 running, including WindowsUpdate v5, on "warezed" copies of XP using these keys.

      Though it should be simple enough for Microsoft to implement a blacklist of non-sold keys, all that would effect is WindowsUpdate. There are ways to disable product activation / authentication on the client side without ever touching a network connection.

      What to do without WindowsUpdate? Why AutoPatcher of course.

    3. Re:invalid product keys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      What to do without WindowsUpdate? Why AutoPatcher of course.

      I have a small network at home consisting of 5 workstations (XP and 2000) and 2 servers (2003 Enterprise). Although I know this doesn't necessarily give me reason to pirate my copies (I have never paid anything to Microsoft for any of them), I don't make any kind of money on this setup. I primarily just use it to learn new stuff and store my files - music, movies, etc..

      I have always been paranoid about using Windows Update because of the fact that they might log the IP address you are updating from with the CD key you are using (and since I use corporate keys, I am even more hesitant). But one program I have found that atleast minimizes the chances of this is Software Update Services. I believe it is somewhat limited on what software it updates, such as only primary Windows components, and I believe it requires one of Microsoft's server operating systems. After looking at the link to the service pack news, I found that they are soon going to be coming out with a beta for their Windows Update Services, which looks to be an upgrade to Software Update Services. The only difference I can see is that WUS supports patches for applications such as Office and SQL (I don't believe SUS supported SQL, but I am not sure of this since I have no experience with SQL).

      WUS looks like it will also have some other nice features which SUS seems to be lacking. But whether you end choosing SUS or WUS, they are great applications that are easy to install and can decrease support costs greatly.

    4. Re:invalid product keys... by duffhuff · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are non-critical fixes for problems, or sometimes just addition programs / functionality.

  2. Re:Windows Update v5? by bamf · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's always been IE only.

  3. Windows Update uses ActiveX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ActiveX is only supported by Microsoft Internet Explorer.

    Hope this helps.

  4. Re:Windows Update v5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It won't work at all with anything other than IE, since it uses ActiveX apps to do all the checking of your machine.
    It's the only thing I now need IE for.

  5. Re:NT4 Service Packs by Webmoth · · Score: 4, Informative

    As to why they haven't released a SP7, read this.

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  6. Re:Why not release July Security Service Pack? by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the fixes for known worms/vulnerabilities are out the door on windows update. Go get 'em.

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  7. If you want to check out XP SP2 RC2... by antdude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Then, go to http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ (not v4). Just remember to make backup before you upgrade in case anything goes wrong!

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  8. Re:rolling delays by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

    There were enough problems with SP2 RC2 that they are going for another test release. Whether that will be called RC3 or just RC2 with a different build number was unknown as of late last week. I personally am of two minds, one the one hand I want to see them do it right since there won't be another SP for quite some time if at all, on the other hand it would be REALLY nice if this were out in time for the college rush so that it could be made a requirement of getting on the network.

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  9. Re:[ot] windows update, without IE? by alerante · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, there is a small tray icon that can be used to automatically download updates without using Internet Explorer, at least in XP. Go to Control Panel: System, and open the Automatic Updates tab. Then set the schedule to your own convenience.

  10. Windows XP SP2 RC2 is buggy as heck! by shakamojo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been testing SP2 since RC1 and it's still pretty buggy... the new wireless features have issues with certain products from some major manufacturers, the added browser security has (in my case) created more problems than it solves, but the new firewall features and interface are VERY nice. I just hope they work the bugs out before release, as it stands now, it's no where near ready for release to the general public IMHO.

  11. Re:[ot] windows update, without IE? by Thng · · Score: 4, Informative
    You may be thinking of the Microsoft baseline security analyzer. FWICT, it finds most (if not more) of the security updates on windows update (based on v4) and I added the "more" because it also scans other products, like MSSQL (v5 of windowsupdate seems to have some of this ability)

    It is not quite like windows update, in that they will still need to download them, and would probably just confuse them.

    If they're running windows 2k sp3(?) or higher, or Windows XP, just turn on Automatic updating, and choose either install updates automatically, or download updates automatically and prompt to install.

    Hope this helps

  12. Windows XP SP2 Technical Preview Newsgroups by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative
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  13. Re:Windows Update v5? by phasedshadow · · Score: 3, Informative

    This really isn't a troll/funny question, IMO, as I briefly wondered this myself. Version 4 of Windows Update explicitly locks out non-IE browsers with a message stating that IE is requried. Version 5, however, seems to load fine (albeit ugly), except for the fact it just displays a "Checking for the latest version of the Windows Update Software..." message and nothing else. It does not seem to actually say that ActiveX or IE is required. That being said, the answer is yes, it is still IE-only, since the software uses ActiveX.

  14. Re:Recent Article In InfoWorld by rritterson · · Score: 4, Informative

    If the CIO is going to do a company-wide roll out of beta software and call it a "test", the CIO is already breaking the company.

    The idea is, you build a small test lab, see what has changed and what won't work, then you create new group policy objects to handle it. You then disable the GPO until you create a new GPO that deploys SP2 to the machines. Both GPO's go live automatically, and you've covered your ass. Geez, maybe I should be CIO.

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  15. Re:Cannot validate the product key by klui · · Score: 2, Informative

    By the way, Action Packs' licenses are only good for a year from the point of subscription. You need to renew after it expires.

  16. compatibility? by BeatdownGeek · · Score: 3, Informative
    I did quite a bit of testing on SP2 to verify that it works with our (fairly large) enterprise web app. The app uses ActiveX, offscreen pages, popups of all sorts, etc... The only thing that had to be changed for compatibility was the URL had to be added to the "trusted sites" zone. That's it. Not a whole lot of compatibility problems.

    On the server side, it took about 5 minutes to configure the firewall to allow the web and/ or database server to listen for incoming connections. Again, not really a big deal.

    I think the only place there will be compatibility problems is on the "install this great free adware/ dialer" pages. But then again, social engineering and uninformed users are the source of most of the problems anyway. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't really like MS either, but I think the compatibility fears with SP2 are somewhat overblown.

  17. Re:Windows Update v5? by cyberformer · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a project to add ActiveX support to Firefox. Trouble is, ActiveX is the main reason for IE's security holes. (There are other reasons, like general MS sloppiness and the large installed base, but A-X is the really big one.)

    I've been using RC2 for a few weeks on two separate PCs with no problems except a slightly longer boot time. (Well, fewer than with SP1.) The biggest improvement is the firewall.

  18. Windows Update problems by knightrdr · · Score: 2, Informative

    As far as problems with Windows Update due to "bad keys", there is a program available that will correct this. I will not be posting a link to it for obvious reasons. I believe it's available via a torrent. I have one version called "winxp-keygenpack.rar" and another one called "xp sp1 keychanger sp2 keygen and product key viewer.rar". There are problem a dozen different file names you can find if you search a little.
    Btw, I've tested it on many machines and have had no problems so far.

  19. I'm unimpress with XP SP2 RC2 by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Informative

    My system: HP pavilion ze4200, Laptop, XP-home, 1.7ghz celuron, 192mb ram.

    I did a fresh rebuild, the system seemed to be very snappy. I loaded XP SP2 RC2, system seems to run noticable worse.

    It seems to take longer to boot to the point where it is usable. After I long on, it seems to several minutes before I can do anything. It froze up on me to where I had to yank the battery - which is something it never used to do. Everything feels more sluggish. Maybe it would be different with a higher end system.

    Also, I don't see how to turn off new features, such as firewall, or virus checker.

  20. Re:Does Windoze XP SP2 break spyware? by zoloto · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have it if anyone needs a copy. email me and I'll hook you guys up =)

  21. The SIZE of this thing by SeriousEyePanda · · Score: 3, Informative
    "Although the final size of Service Pack 2 is not set, the most recent beta was a beefy 264 Gbytes. Because of that size, the service pack will also be available as a free CD mailed to users who request it, Poole promised."

    from InformationWeek

    Need I say that's pretty beefy!