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Microsoft Delays Windows XP Service Pack 2

Rinisari writes "DesignTechnica, among some others , explains that Microsoft has once again delayed its release of Service Pack 2 for Windows XP, though only until August. Microsoft has declined to comment on the reason for the delay. Windows Update v5, however, is online and operational (and works with Service Pack 1!), although not officially so. I know many smaller education institutions are chomping at the bit with the looming release, as they are worried about compatibility with some of the new features in Service Pack 2."

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  1. invalid product keys... by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speculation that warez'd copies would still be allowed to update via Windows update were at least partly wrong. You may still be able to manually update Windows with an "invalid" product key but you cannot do it via the v5 Windows Update interface.

    [Error number: 0x80244028]
    Cannot validate the product key
    The product key used to install Microsoft Windows may not be valid. For more information about why you have received this error message, and steps you can take to resolve this issue, please visit How to Tell.

    1. Re:invalid product keys... by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's a bit more info with the first few links. Some speculation is that they're blacklisting all non-registered Corp keys, which is pretty much what all warez copies are of.

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    2. Re:invalid product keys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually, as of the latest SP2 build, all you need is a corporate key with a PID of 640. New key generators can give you perfect PID 640 keys instantly and several people now have SP2 running, including WindowsUpdate v5, on "warezed" copies of XP using these keys.

      Though it should be simple enough for Microsoft to implement a blacklist of non-sold keys, all that would effect is WindowsUpdate. There are ways to disable product activation / authentication on the client side without ever touching a network connection.

      What to do without WindowsUpdate? Why AutoPatcher of course.

    3. Re:invalid product keys... by Nugget · · Score: 4, Interesting
      In 2002 - product activation was the biggest punishment I have ever seen for a paid customer

      I don't see how you can come to this conclusion. Product Activation is a total non-event for the vast majority of customers. It's way less invasive than some of the other copy protection schemes the industry has seen over the years.

      I sure prefer it to the fragile, tenuous daisy chain of serial port dongles I had in the 80s and it's way better than copy-protected media that was impossible to back up.

      In the years I've been running XP, the product activation has caused me _zero_ difficulty, and that's on home-built hardware that's been upgraded and changed quite a bit over the years.

    4. Re:invalid product keys... by duffhuff · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are non-critical fixes for problems, or sometimes just addition programs / functionality.

  2. Windows Update v5? by dejamatt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't seem to work too well with Firefox, but I could just be an idiot. Can anyone cornfirm that it's still IE-Only?

    1. Re:Windows Update v5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It won't work at all with anything other than IE, since it uses ActiveX apps to do all the checking of your machine.
      It's the only thing I now need IE for.

    2. Re:Windows Update v5? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Doesn't seem to work too well with Firefox, but I could just be an idiot."

      Somehow I doubt CowboyNeal would be a popular option in this poll.

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  3. Good on them by Sean80 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I, at least, say good on them for delaying the release if it means they can better deliver on some of the promises which they've made about this pack.

    If nothing else, at least Microsoft is trying much, much harder at security nowadays.

    1. Re:Good on them by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To paraphrase Lewis Black (referring to airport security) -- slower doesn't necessarily mean safer. Promises that don't get delivered don't mean much. Maybe they're perfecting it, or maybe they're sneaking features in...we don't really know.

      How hard Microsoft is trying when it comes to security is strictly implied. Unfortunately, most should have EXPECTED it of them to begin with. "Trustworthy Computing" is primarily a marketing response...with technical consequences.

  4. Cannot validate the product key by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hmmm, I guess MS has decided to take a little (read: tiny) more aggressive stance towards piracy, no more automagic updates for you. Although we do have an Action Pack subscription (XP Pro), so we do have more then enough licenses, we use XP Corp CD/Keys to ignore that stupid activation, but it looks like it came back to bite us in the ass.

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  5. In all fairness.... by SecretSauce · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's probably better that they delay it, rather than come out with something that's not 100%. We are talking Microsoft though...by the time they got it to 100% we'd all be playing duke nukem forever =)

  6. Bug time by Metteyya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As I understood, it means that a bulk of IE users (the ones that don't download small "security updates", but only full SPs) will be vulnerable to well-known bug till (hopefully) August?

    Well, now that just shouldn't even be compared to Mozilla's bugfixes.
    (because who would be able to compare 24 hours with 24 days and not laugh to death?)

    1. Re:Bug time by Loligo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >a bulk of IE users (the ones that don't download
      >small "security updates", but only full SPs) ...

      >... that just shouldn't even be compared to
      >Mozilla's bugfixes. (because who would be able to
      >compare 24 hours with 24 days and not laugh to
      >death?)

      Lemme make sure I got this right. A "bulk of IE users" don't download small security updates, but you think they'd get small security updates for Mozilla?

      24 hour bugfixes are irrelevant to "a bulk of users" if they can't be bothered to download and install them, as you claim.

      -l

  7. What about Windows 2000 (Service pack 5?) by Zarhan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anybody know whether these new changes/features (in IE and elsewhere) will ever make it into Windows 2000 (which at the moment seems to be the most preferred Windows at least in corporate environments). Win2k SP4 pretty much covered everything in XP SP1, but not much has been mentioned since then.

    1. Re:What about Windows 2000 (Service pack 5?) by hughk · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A lot of corporate types got a little allergic to XP, even if the license came with the hardware and they still run 2K. Microsoft would love to get the desktops onto XP but many don't find the extra features of XP so interesting. It is always embarrassing when you have to compete against your own products.

      Microsoft are sort-of obliged to keep rolling out security fixes for 2K, but is a popup blocker a fix or a feature? They surely would love to have a lever to get us all moved onto XP.

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  8. Maybe a Sensible Move... by SadPenguin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's fairly ridiculous that this SP is delayed.. again... however, IMHO its a good move on their part, because (hopefully) it means that they are including more useful security fixes etc. in it. And its silly that those even need to be release this much after the fact, but they might as well get them all (well, most of them) in there now, so there's not SP2a, SP2b, SP2security patch 229q etc.

    I recall an operating system that was fairly rushed to get out, called Windows 95, that really sucked. Hopefully, though this is only an SP, the delay will prevent rush-to-get-it-out-crappiness.

    sigSEGV - doy!

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    1. Re:Maybe a Sensible Move... by chris_mahan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is also the possibility that microsoft is having a hard time dealing with fixing all the vulnerabilities.

      I wonder to what extent they find that fixing one vulnerability just break, and I mean mangles horribly, some functionality in Excel or Word that everybody has to have (like VBA or sum'thin).

      It's like the domines are falling at microsoft, and that they are starting to realize that a rewrite from the ground up does not look to bad (at least you can start with a sound concept).

      Of course, I doubt they could pull that off, so the next couple years are going to be really interesting.

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  9. Delays by k4_pacific · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, this means that Longhorn would likely get pushed back as well (if it ships at all). This gives us an extra month to make Linux a mainstream desktop OS before the NGSCB DRM (the RIAA's wet dream) ensures Microsoft forevermore. Hurry people!!

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  10. Last minute changes... by inkdesign · · Score: 5, Funny

    to BobXP forced the delay...

  11. Comping at the bit about the wrong thing... by ProppaT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "chomping at the bit with the looming release, as they are worried about compatibility with some of the new features in Service Pack 2."

    I'm sure they're all worried about compatibility issues. Everyone is. But with school starting in August...and the release date in August...there's going to be zero time to work out the kinks before students start hitting the labs full force.

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  12. New Windows Update: Way different by jayhawk88 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heads up to you admins out there, the update to WindowsUpdate is more than trivial. Ability to (more easily) view patch install history, Admin options for downloading patches for multiple OS's, not-so-obvious new method of showing you exactly what you're installing...If you've taught techs/users to do this, they're going to have to be re-taught when it goes live.

  13. Means a delay on VPC7 too by goMac2500 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Virutal PC 7 is not coming until SP2 is out according to Microsoft so us Mac users can be assured the latest in security.

    Or Microsoft is stalling because they're not finished with VPC7. One of the two.

  14. Re:NT4 Service Packs by Webmoth · · Score: 4, Informative

    As to why they haven't released a SP7, read this.

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  15. Re:Why not release July Security Service Pack? by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the fixes for known worms/vulnerabilities are out the door on windows update. Go get 'em.

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  16. Delayed for a reason by howman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft has found out that SP2 contains a huge security hole which may allow your OS to run completely trouble free and secure. They are working hard to patch this bug, which has been termed GOOB.ASAP (Going out of business), with faulty code as to require monthly updates, service contracts, partnerships with virus software detection companies and eventual update of hardware.
    SP2 will also include a new feature which will bring back an old friend of ours. Ever since the demise of the blue screen of death, customer calls and upgrades have been down. They are working around the clock on a newly branded moire of death which they feel will be just as impactful as the origional blue screen but with a friendlier look and feel.
    They are appologising for the delay in delaying your delayed computer experience.

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  17. Re:Corp Keys by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my eyes, IANAL, it's perfectly legal, we paid for the (insert num of licenses here, 5-10 iirc), so we should be able to install XP Pro that many times. To me we pay for a license to use XP, not for a specific CD Key, so to me, it shouldn't matter that we're using the Corp version of XP Pro, it's still XP Pro just w/o the pointless activation. Again, IANAL.

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  18. If you want to check out XP SP2 RC2... by antdude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Then, go to http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ (not v4). Just remember to make backup before you upgrade in case anything goes wrong!

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  19. Re:V5 Windows update by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 4, Funny

    "your friends" eh? And I have this 'friend' who downloads MP3s sometimes...

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  20. Windows XP SP2 RC2 is buggy as heck! by shakamojo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been testing SP2 since RC1 and it's still pretty buggy... the new wireless features have issues with certain products from some major manufacturers, the added browser security has (in my case) created more problems than it solves, but the new firewall features and interface are VERY nice. I just hope they work the bugs out before release, as it stands now, it's no where near ready for release to the general public IMHO.

  21. Re:[ot] windows update, without IE? by Thng · · Score: 4, Informative
    You may be thinking of the Microsoft baseline security analyzer. FWICT, it finds most (if not more) of the security updates on windows update (based on v4) and I added the "more" because it also scans other products, like MSSQL (v5 of windowsupdate seems to have some of this ability)

    It is not quite like windows update, in that they will still need to download them, and would probably just confuse them.

    If they're running windows 2k sp3(?) or higher, or Windows XP, just turn on Automatic updating, and choose either install updates automatically, or download updates automatically and prompt to install.

    Hope this helps

  22. Re:Ok, so where to get new keys? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Funny
    Last I checked /. was not about software piracy...
    Nice to have you back ... but I might warn you that things have changed since 1998.
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  23. This couldn't have worked out better. by 3vi1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This couldn't have worked out better if the Linux community had planned it. 1) Numerous recent IE exploits convinced thousands of people to try different browsers. These people (and likely a lot of their friends) have now realized that IE != The Internet. 2) Now, MS cuts off security updates to some of those users and other users who either got XP from a friend or bought a "bargain" PC from a fly-by-night outfit that used corporate keys. 3) The type of people mentioned in #2 don't like paying a lot for stuff. What are they going to do now as an upgrade path?: Try Linux for free, and/or pay several hundred dollars for an XP license? Now, ever Linux user out there, here's your mission: Burn a dozen copies of Knoppix and hand them out to everyone that has issues with SP2. I see converts in them thar hills.

  24. Re:Recent Article In InfoWorld by rritterson · · Score: 4, Informative

    If the CIO is going to do a company-wide roll out of beta software and call it a "test", the CIO is already breaking the company.

    The idea is, you build a small test lab, see what has changed and what won't work, then you create new group policy objects to handle it. You then disable the GPO until you create a new GPO that deploys SP2 to the machines. Both GPO's go live automatically, and you've covered your ass. Geez, maybe I should be CIO.

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  25. Whoa! I dodged a bullet on that one! by jannesha · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm leaving my tech support job at the end of July. Thank you, Microsoft, for delaying the SP2 release until August!

    Woo-hoo!