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Mexican Attorney General Gets Microchip in Arm

novakreo writes "Rafael Macedo de la Concha, Mexico's Attorney-General, now has a non-removable microchip in his arm, to track his movements and to give him access to a new crime database, according to Bloomberg. The article says that eventually around 160 Mexican officials will have a chip implanted." (Wired and CNN are both running the very similar Reuters report, too.)

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  1. Yeah well... by nametaken · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...EVERYTHING is removeable. The question is what happens when you do.

  2. Can't be removed? by jerith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "can't be removed" -- I doubt that. *Anything* can be removed from the human body if the remover the required skill and doesn't really care about collateral damage.

    I suddenly have a mental image of a Mexican criminal trying to get into a government installation carrying an arm...

    1. Re:Can't be removed? by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, he is a racist or an idiot. After that, it doesn't matter what he is or who he votes for.

      You, on the other hand, smear both Americans and Bush voters as being like this racist idiot guy. Pot Kettle Black.

    2. Re:Can't be removed? by philbert26 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "In the case of Mexico, where the vast majority of its citizens have sub-average intelligence" you are an American and Bush voter, aren't you?

      Yes, I'm sure that someone with a phobia of Mexicans will vote for Bush. The right wing are really happy with his policies on immigration.

  3. Microchip in arm by Avada+Kedavra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Civilian contractors in Iraq need this technology
    not Mexican Attorney Generals.

  4. Next election by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1, Insightful
    This guy seems to be assuming that he will never be our of office. An unremovable microchip giving access to a crime database seems a bit out of place for a private citizen.

    On the other hand, if *I* can get access to the Crime database at the price of being tracked everywhere, where do I sign up? I'm sure I can find a way to profit from such access.

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  5. not only useless but dangerous by koan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How hard is it to block the signal? kidnap them throw them in a foil lined body bag then scan later in a basement to remove.
    I guess in one sense you could mail them the chip to prove you have the official.

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  6. A fine assasination tool by mrmeval · · Score: 3, Insightful



    ``The system is already in place and I already have it,'' he said. ``It's only for access, for security and so that I can also be located at any moment anywhere I am.''

    If I have the key I can drop an NLOS on you ass baby!

    http://www.raytheon.com/products/nlos/

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    I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
  7. Re:Mark of the beast and all that jazz... by vidarh · · Score: 2, Insightful
  8. Re:Homeland Security masterplan by JustDisGuy · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Shout out against this now -- shout to the roof tops -- or in ten years you'll have to decide between getting a chip of your own or losing your job

    First - it isn't going to take ten years. Five at the outside.
    Second - this is not going to be just about jobs. This is going to be about whether you can buy groceries or not.
    Third - refuse at all costs, even unto (mortal) death. There's no disputing that RFID tags (at the very least - MIGHT!) represent the Mark of the Beast from the Book of Revelations. If so, the payoff for your faithfulness will be far greater than the immediate gains you make in this life, and they will last longer.

    Speak out against this by all means, and do so LOUDLY but don't be surprised when all this comes to pass anyway. Be prepared.
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    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
  9. Just a PR stunt by James+Lewis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this is obviously just a PR stunt by the Mexico officials to make it look like they are "doing something" about the crime in their country, when in fact this doesn't really help at all.

  10. Sounds like a bluff by color+of+static · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Think about it. You want to threaten the bad guys, who are a little less educated and a whole lot more guilable then you are. In that light you concoct a story that makes it sound like this database is being watched with "superhuman" effeciency by the head in each district. Throw in the part about tracking and non removable to make kidnapping seem dangerous, and you keep the officials safe on top of it.

    This sounds like it is the high tech version of the "This is protected by an alarm system." sticker. Instead of just buying them and sticking them on your windows, you do a press conference.

  11. Hostage protection? by TrentL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, this could be a good idea for people who are afraid they are going to be taken hostage. If I had to go to Iraq, I wouldn't mind having a chip in me so I could get rescued if I were taken hostage.

    1. Re:Hostage protection? by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I had to go to Iraq, I wouldn't mind having a chip in me so I could get rescued if I were taken hostage.

      I thought there needed to be proximity before they could be detected and they didn't work well through barriers like walls.

      If that's the case, you should get two chips so they can find your head as well as your body once they're tossed out into the open....

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      As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

    2. Re:Hostage protection? by stevejsmith · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Uhhhh... North America is a continent. Central America is a region in a continent. The continent of North America. Are we all in agreement now? (And maybe some parts are in South America...I don't think so, but I'm not totally sure.)

  12. Re:Homeland Security masterplan by Dachannien · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How does tin-foil crap like this get modded upwards?

    A simple application of Occam's Razor will tell you that a much simpler explanation - and likely the correct explanation - is that the Mexican AG realizes that in a country with significant government corruption and organized crime, he needs all the protection he can get. That includes discouraging people from kidnapping or killing him by making his whereabouts known at all times to the lawful and uncorrupted segments of the government.

  13. The Barcelona Method by replicant108 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As somebody on another forum astutely observed, the way that this will be sold at first is by "chip = vip" method.

    Expect non-removable chips to become a chic accessory in the next few years.

  14. Re:Homeland Security masterplan by aero6dof · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What? Mexico has a problem with "significant government corruption and organized crime" (including BTW judges and other officials being assasinated) and the solution is to put a location tracking device on the officials? Am I missing something here?

  15. Re:Tracking by GPLDAN · · Score: 3, Insightful

    hedless man:

    1. My take on it is that they mean "not trivially removeable", like a wristwatch. It's under the skin, I doubt it's grafted to the bone.

    2. His RFID code can be read to allow him access to the bank. It's a heck of a lot better than a driver's license as ID.

    3. Kidnapping is a HUGE problem in Mexico. huge. Hollywood put Denzel Washington in a movie, "Man on Fire" - about the kidnapping rings in Mexico. Vincente Fox has been asked to crack down on the issue. Mexican police are shot at about as often as U.S. forces in Baghdad, i.e. just about daily. You just don't read about it unless you read Spanish newspapers, like La Raza or others. At this point, RFID might be a minor deterrent to kidnapping. But it might just persuade potential enemies to just kill him outright in the street. In fact, they may put a hit on the guy JUST TO SEND A MESSAGE.

    I see a world like the one in Minority Report within my lifetime, and I'm 35. The Gap has a electronic voice that greets you as you walk in. Every subway car you board goes into a database. Every transaction your credit card makes goes through a heuristic filter for abnormal pattern matching, and certain kinds of deviations get you reported automatically to the government. RFID is just the means to make it happen.

  16. Re:Mark of the beast and all that jazz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You're wrong you know, completely.

    Revelation is about the apocalypse, the revelation of Jesus Christ to ALL the world. I'd say it hasn't happened yet and when it happens the world will change.

    The book is about the years from Christ's resurrection to His return in Glory at the end-times. You can note that there is a parallellism between the liturgy of the church on earth and that of the church in heaven as portrayed in the book. Dr Scott Hahn mentioned this by the way.

  17. Re:But how many US officials have the chip?.. by Rich0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although I agree that implanting people with chips is pretty dehumanizing, if you agree to a particular job you have to agree with the particular terms of employment, no matter how absurd, if you don't like it then find a new line of work its that simple.

    I dunno. Suppose your kids are starving and the only job in town has an indentured servitude clause in their contract. Should that be legally permissible?

    You might suggest that the slave employer is at least taking care of his slaves instead of letting them die. However, I'd argue that it is immoral to allow somebody to die of starvation at your doorstep if you have the ability to render immediate aid to prevent this. Sure, I can't be the savior of the world, but if I see a man bleeding to death on the sidewalk of my house and don't even call an ambulence, what does that say of my character?

    Some employment conditions should be illegal simply becuase they are inhuman. Employers have a tremendous amount of power - particularly over those without highly in-demand talents or skills. You or I may be able to design computer software or something of high value. Some people are working hard just to be a Walmart greeter. Most normal people are somewhere in-between.

    Workplaces are something to be regualted for certain. That doesn't mean that we need expensive regulation that doesn't serve any benefit. However, to just say that an employer-employee relationship isn't anybody's business but their own is very naieve...

  18. Re:Bush & Mexico by philbert26 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Of course nobody has recourse on the WTO against the US, since the WTO is US-based and has never decided against the US in a trade dispute...

    The WTO has never ruled against the US? Maybe they favour the USA over Mexico, but they sure don't give the USA a free pass in disputes with Europe.

    Combined with the fact that mexican politicians would never do anything to upset Uncle Sam...

    Are you sure?

    Has cynicism become the new naivety?

  19. Re:Not necessarily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The tech exists to do lots of things, much of it not mass producible or reliable. We have close loop diabetes type 1 solutions that are not in use to do, we can transplant islet of langerhan cells to do the same (NEJM article covered this sometime last year), and the like. We can build nano devices today.

    You seeing them? No, because either there is no market, they are not economical, or the risk is too high.

    Look, if it's possible to build, it's possible to work around. The *only* things I've seen that are near impossible to work around is crypto and certain quantum effects. Whatever they are doing biologically, it's possible to disable, but may simply not be *easy* to do. The story is just spin to make it sound impossible or very difficult.

    If the thing is embedded, it likely has a pressure sensor on it in case someone tries to remove it with surgery. They *think* it can't be beat. Blood type is ridiculously easy to compensate for. Direct immunological matching would be better, but also possible to work around.

    This is security through obscurity with a mean technical hill to covercome, nothing more. The worse thing is that they think it's impossible to overcome, meaning they're more likely to slip up. This is evident since their claims are more for sure; I'm not exactly sure why anyone would do this compared to typical excellent security practices and procedures today, e.g. id card with password with rotating password.

  20. Re:Not necessarily by uberdood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if it was tied to his DNA for operation, I still don't see how the chip is non-removable. If it can be inserted INTO the body, it can be removed.

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  21. Re:Homeland Security masterplan by forgetmenot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't fight it. Join it. Yup... when they start forcing RFID chips into my body, I'll add another 1,000,000 or so of my own all so the whitenoise will drown out the signal of the original.
    I should make sure that would work first though, shouldn't I.

  22. I can see it now! by sirgoran · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A sudden rash of Mexican officials having their arms cut off and the "secret" database being accessed and hacked. Nice business model folks!

    1. Implant security chip in arm, tell world about it
    2. Be found anywhere
    3. Access Secure database via chip
    4. Rebels cut off arm
    5. ???
    6. No Profit! Country in disrepair..
    Oh wait...

    -Goran

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