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When Videogames Publishers Go 'Street'

Thanks to 1UP/OPM for its article discussing what they describe as the 'thugging' of the videogame industry, referencing games such as Def Jam Fight for NY and Midnight Club 3: Dub Edition. The piece suggests: "Whether it was established franchises morphing into more streetwise versions of their former selves or new franchises emerging wearing their hip-hop influences on their sleeves, it was clear that the urban lifestyle is being embraced by developers and publishers alike." Marc Ecko argues "I think the problem is that the games industry is generationally nostalgic", and Steve Allison of Midway charges: "The guys bitching about this new trend are inching up on 35 years old, and they grew up on old-school gameplay. They're a very vocal bunch, but they're just not the market anymore."

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  1. Say wah? by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

    These video games are as much "from the street" as Vanilla Ice was.

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  2. Sell out by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Steve Allison of Midway charges: "The guys bitching about this new trend are inching up on 35 years old, and they grew up on old-school gameplay. They're a very vocal bunch, but they're just not the market anymore."

    Well, this is likely true, but as one who used to play online shootemups, I can say the trend toward this has been going on for a little while at least. When all the little white kids got their computers around the same time hip-hop started going mainstream, you started seeing comments like "Whasssup Biatch" when someone joined the game or "I'm your pimp daddy" or some other affected effort at manifesting some pathetic street cred. I have sort of expected this sort of thing for a while now, but see it as a continued effort to squeeze some more marketing $$s out of a saturated hip-hop market. Perhaps when NWA or Ice-T was around this would have been interesting but come on now folks, the hip hop scene is dead and has been replaced by the thug-life affected persona that now simply looks and appears absurd. Nowhatimsayin?

    So, essentially what Steve Allison from Midway is saying is that Midway has sold out and are adopting the grow the company, mainstream marketing bit. Steve..........Do you know what this means?.............It means that Midway is no longer cool. This of course is the risk companies take when they try to break from their roots and become something they are not, but hey......that's America and at least companies have that option.

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    1. Re:Sell out by dilweed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What pisses me off about this is how myopic this guy is. He's a fool if he doesn't realize that I continue to buy games at a rate that outpaces what I used to slam into quarter slots when I was 16, but I'm also buying games, consoles, magazines, and online subscriptions for my *3* children!

      Bonehead.

    2. Re:Sell out by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps when NWA or Ice-T was around this would have been interesting but come on now folks, the hip hop scene is dead and has been replaced by the thug-life affected persona that now simply looks and appears absurd. Nowhatimsayin?

      I think you meant to end this paragraph with "Yah'mean?"

      Moreover, it enfuriates me to no end when I'm out and I see a preppy thug trying to act tough. Some metrosexual who spent 2 hours ironing perfect creases in his sweatpants and 76ers jersey thinks he's a tough guy.

      Every wannabe gangsta and his mother wants to talk about his Glock. It has even gotten to the point where idiots like "Brotha Lynch Hung" say things like "Take ya glock off safety", but, as anyone who has ever held a Glock pistol will tell you, there is no external safety on a Glock this gangsta thug has just exposed himself as a poseur.

      The other thing that drives me crazy is when I'm out and there's some white dude who you just know was listening to Korn 5 years ago who thinks he's cool now because he's blasting Eminem in his Rice Burner.

      The crossover of hip hip into the mainstream has only fostered te persuit of style over substance.

      LK

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    3. Re:Sell out by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's about how to sell lots of CD's, clothing, cars, and other high margin items to a 'new' demographic. THAT is what hip-hop is about, it didn't start out that way, but that is what it is now.

    4. Re:Sell out by goodviking · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is it really selling out when aspects of a sub-culture break out to the greater culture?

      Yes. When your sub-culture is a counter against bubble gum pop culture, and you buy into the bubble gum pop culture for a wider market, then yes Virginia, you have sold out. When you find FUBU in every mall, it's all about the money. When lyrics went from
      "teachers teach and do the world good, kings just rule and most are never understood"
      to
      "it's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes"
      you've lost your purpose. My problem is that the purpose driven mainstream hip hop no longer exists. You have to go behind the scenes to find it. Take a look at the artist in my sig and you'll find a taste. Oh, and he's also a EE. You don't have to de a thug to have credentials.

    5. Re:Sell out by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Rock sold out in the late 60s, early 70s. Definitely before 1975. Alternative sold out in 1991 I think, or was it earlier? Rap sold out, then sold out again, and has reached the magic "100,000 sellouts" number. Snoop Dog was on an AOL commercial, just when you thought it couldn't sell out any more. Country sold out, but no one bought. Is selling out a bad thing? Yes, but then I never much liked those genres anyway, so maybe it's good after all.

    6. Re:Sell out by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hey, you sound like an angry white man who likes his guns and borders on racism.

      I'm black, you idiot.

      Let people be what they want

      It's a free country, people can be what they want. I am also free to make fun of them as I see fit.

      LK

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    7. Re:Sell out by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      a) What would make being "the real thing" so fantastic?

      It's like in the spaghetti westerns where they'd fire their revolvers 38 times without reloading. At the very least, if you're going to portray a character that you've made up, you should make a nominal effort.

      b) What generation hasn't had some sort of silly set of idols? What generation hasn't looked for "style over substance"?

      In hip hop, at one time (and still in a few places) the ability to "rock the mic" was more important than the ability to sell records.

      LK

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  3. Best of both worlds? by The+Desert+Palooka · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pong: Snoop Dogg Edition
    Dig Dugg 2: The Electric boogaloo
    Defender...of Compton

    or heck just play Dopewars.

    1. Re:Best of both worlds? by scrytch · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Pong: Snoop Dogg Edition

      Bounce dat pizixel ball off mah padaddle, smack!

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  4. Re:Video Games and Teen Thugs by Angry+Toad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Spending money like an idiot, drinking to an excess, being only turned on by bimbos with no brains, beating eachother senseless with tire irons or whatever, shooting people you hate, getting shot at by people who hate you, eating only at drive thru, drinking alize and crystal, attending strip clubs like they were the new church, membership at the The Player'S Club, Gucci, bling-bling, bust

    Riiiiiight.... with Daddy and Mommy's money. I think this kind of thing is just another outlet of "validated" rebellion the way Rock music was in the 70's - an ultimately safe way for middle-class kids to pretend they're pushing the boundaries.

    The real people who actually live that lifestyle are revolting thugs.

  5. Thug Geeks by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think its FAIRLY safe to say that the majority of true "geeks" are not thugs. The lifestyles/cultures just clash too much for that to seem feasible.

    However, as you're all aware, the videogame industry is now outpacing Hollywood, which means geeks are no longer the main target audience. Games have gone mainstream in a horrible way.

    Well, horrible for us at least. Which is what I'm getting at. You see, we may look down on this trend, I know I certainly do, but its not really our place to judge the people who they are now targeting.

    Every generation has had their share of kids like this, the fad has just been different. Today its hiphop and thug culture. Doesn't make me like these kids any more, but they are certainly entitled to act this way. They're KIDS for fuck sake. Hopefully they'll grow out of it, otherwise, I'm sure with all the guns in the culture, Darwin will take care of the rest.

    Fact is, this is only a phase that the games industry is going through, just like all the other ones they've gone through. Who knows what it will be next, but it really is luck that determines if it is compatible with older generations of gamers.

    Don't fret though, once the gaming industry becomes more mature, we will start to see more stratification of companies as they target smaller audiences, and inevitably there will be some who choose to target older, more mature gamers.

    And yes, Midway has sold out.

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  6. I'm just jealous... by EvilCabbage · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... that I haven't figured out how to cash in on white kids wishing they were black, yet.

  7. Is this article some attempt at racism? by Adolph_Hitler · · Score: 4, Interesting


    How does rap music and def jam suddenly equal thug?

    Urban maybe, if you want to call it Urban culture go ahead, but thug is definately the wrong word and makes the person who posted the article sound like a closet racist.

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  8. When Videogames Publishers Go 'Street' by Mr.+Cancelled · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My money goes towards other interests than gaming.

    I mean come on... Does anyone really think that all the little "nigga" wannabe's are anything other than mass marketed MTV drones?

    If everyone that 'talks the talk" also 'walked the walk', than 2/3 of the population would be in prison, or dead. It's a bunch of huff and puff 99% of the time, and it pisses of parents who grew up with Motley Crue and Poison doing the talking for them, so it's inherently the "in" thing.

    The only real problem with it is the number of kids it introduces to the concept of "money is for buying bitches, and guns is for talkin" (there, I paraphrased the entire genre for you! Happy? 8).

    So while I understand why game manufacturers are going for this target demographic, I don't know if it's neccesarily something I feel is a good thing.

    You have to remember that until this generation of parents decide to start being parents, this is the kinda drek which is raising their kids while they're out trying to relive their childhoods themselves.

    Personally, I'd rather role play Leisure Suit Larry type characters than Snoop Dogg anyday. There's just something more fun about playing a smarmy cartoon character, and letting my imagination fill in some of the blanks, than playing a life like copy of a real life black pimp.

    One's role-playing, and the other's just envy over an impossibility.

  9. Re:Video Games and Teen Thugs by tsaler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most video game companies still don't engage in this kind of behavior. I'm really big on sports games; in fact, that's basically all I play. I play them on my XBox, regrettably because I should've gotten a PS2 with an expansion HDD (my laser is a piece of garbage, my XBox told me that my discs were damaged the first time I put them in on the past two games I've purchased), and I enjoy them. I don't buy that NFL Street garbage or any of that.

    I've recently made the switch back from a Madden gamer (2002-2004 games) to an ESPN gamer (2K-2K3, 2K5-). One thing that bothers me about the ESPN game is the "Crib" feature. As best as I can tell, this thing is designed to allow you to buy material possessions in order to make your "Crib" exciting. There's posters of girls you can put up on the walls, and while it's not as bad as the NBA Street games where you buy beautiful women and fast cars, it's unnecessary. I don't need that. I want a football game, not some excessive garbage about "pimpin' tha crib." It's absurd.

    There sure is a lot of money to be made by these games as there is an entire culture of adolescents, as mfh outlined. We're talking about individuals who need to make up for some sort of inadequacy by acting tough. This is nothing new. People do this on a regular basis. I was walking down the street last night minding my own business, and a speeding little Hyundai piece of trash goes by and some drunkard yells out the window. I have no idea what was said, it was more of an "AUUHGHHH!!" I know where these people come from, too, and it says a lot. These are folks who just got back from their first year at college and away from their safety blankets. In order to make up for how inadequate they felt, they came back home and harass people drunkenly. They speed, they break laws, and they think they're tough, cool, and popular.

    The same thing is occuring with these video games on a less personal scale. Immature people identify with the "thug" culture because it is wholly material. Beautiful women treated like objects and possessions. Fast cars, big houses, bling-bling. The video game industry is just buying into this cultural problem. They're out to make money, and they're doing it.

    I will say, however, that the punk in question from Midway ought to realize that a large part of the video game market is not interested in this kind of crap. Calling legitimate complaints "bitching" and then accusing a mass of people whose demographics he obviously does not have the first clue about of pushing the age of 35 is just bad for business and it's a bad attitude. It's not like Midway is the shining beacon of video game producers anymore either.

  10. 35 years old by rd_syringe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I resent the 35 year old comment, because I'm 21, and the games I grew up on weren't "streetcore" either. What on earth is the guy talking about? I don't know anyone in the 19-35 year old age range that is hip-hop hardcore. That shit resides in the high schools and malls. I like to refer to it as "mallcore," and it's pushed by Viacom affiliates like MTV controlled by rich executives who laugh at the very culture they propagate onto the kiddies, because it makes them money.

    Fuck this rap-wannabe bullshit. It's hysterical. This musical fad is as long-lasting as glam was, disco was before it, and doo-wop was before that. The culture has already saturated itself--it's become the joke that glam was in the early 90s. Every rap video has the same oversaturated high-contrast video filters, the same sports jersey-wearing rappers, the same lyrics. It's around so much because it's extremely easy to produce this music. Just click in some drumbeats with your mouse in a tracking program and have someone write rap lyrics in 5 minutes, featuring today's flavor-of-the-month rapper. Bam, new single.

    Midway, and any other companies getting into this, are making a huge mistake and will be laughed at in five years. Meanwhile, I'll play something that doesn't date itself so badly, like Doom 3 or Half-Life 2 (I still play Doom 1 now and then!).

    1. Re:35 years old by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Informative
      This musical fad is as long-lasting as glam was, disco was before it, and doo-wop was before that.

      That's not at all true - the genre's been going strong for 20+ years.

      Every rap video has the same

      Judging a musical genre by its videos is hardly fair! You could make the exact same criticisms about the pop & rock genre by talking about Avril Lavigne or Slipknot videos.

      Just as in other genres, there's huge differences in style and quality between different musicians.

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    2. Re:35 years old by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "musical fad" he was talking about is fake gangster rap music, e.g. G-Unit. I don't care how "real" or "hard" they are, real gangsters are on the streets, in jail, or dead, and they're never something to look up to.

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  11. Re:There is no such thing as "Street". by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Eminem? Although at first glance he is a whitey doing "black" music, He certainly has is own sound, also influenced by classic anglo poetic meter (and few black gentlemen bleach their hair).

    To look at older hip hop, you will find surprising similarities between Eminem's style and 's style. In 8 Mile they pay a homage to Rakim by pointing out that he was the first successful rapper to use complex rhyme schemes. To this day, no other rapper has been able to match him in the complexity of his or her rhymes. Rakim is an upright muslim, no excessive bling bling, no big booty bitches in his videos and possibly as a result of that no mainstream appeal.

    LK

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