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Verizon Announces FTTP Prices

ffejie writes "C|NET News.com is reporting that Verizon has announced its pricing on Fiber-to-the-Premises - it 'will cost $35 a month if purchased along with Verizon's local and long-distance telephone service', and more if bought on its own. The high speed internet service, dubbed Verizon Fios, brings speeds up to 30 Mbps to the home. FTTP could lead to a sweeping change, especially in the television industry. According to News.com: 'Verizon is considered the furthest along with its fiber plans. It reiterated on Monday its goal of reaching 1 million homes and offices by the end of the year...' It looks as if FTTP is coming to the masses."

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  1. Can the backbones handle it? by digitalvengeance · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:

    A 2mbps to 5mbps Fios connection will cost $35 a month if purchased along with Verizon's local and long-distance telephone service. The service will cost $40 if purchased alone. A connection of up to 15mbps is available for $45 a month if purchased as part of the same telephone service bundle, or $50 alone. The company did not reveal pricing for the 30mbps plans.

    That is subsantially less than the $210 I currently pay for my 3Mbps/1Mbps small business connection. I wonder how many of these will roll out as people like me jump to them before the major internet infrastructure starts to suffer? I mean, think of it: end point capacity could literally be upgraded by a factor of 10 in some areas. Will the backbones and their major tributaries be able to handle it?

    Either way, I am looking forward to it.

    Josh.

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    1. Re:Can the backbones handle it? by G27+Radio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People bring this up everytime some company announces a large-scale rollout of high-speed like this. My guess is the same thing will happen this time. Their customers will have 30Mbps to the home, but will only see that kind of speed on things cached close by, and get the same speed as the rest of us broadband users on everything else. That is, until the backbones are upgraded. I don't think we'll see the backbones "suffer" though.

    2. Re:Can the backbones handle it? by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's like saying the entire internet runs at 56k just cause that's the speed the majority of us connect at.

      No If you have a 30Mbps net connection you will rarely use it to it's full strength for some time. Possibly if you are doing Video communications will you use it up. It's more than enough for a small business website. It's more than enough current tasks.

      As such ISP's will have time to upgrade the backbones to Internet II when it is needed.

      In the future though I see a single communication line coming into your home. Off of abox installed in your house will come TV, Internet, and video Phone. Possibly using interchanged monitors.

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    3. Re:Can the backbones handle it? by homer_ca · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "$210 I currently pay for my 3Mbps/1Mbps small business connection"

      Are there any restrictions on your small business service like running servers or reselling service? Residential broadband service has those restrictions plus upstream bandwidth is shared with other customers. You know it's shared and oversubscribed because they reserve the right to disconnect bandwidth hogs. That $210 is a third the price of a T1. With that you usually get a block of 15 IPs and no restrictions on servers, reselling service, or monthly usage caps.

    4. Re:Can the backbones handle it? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What about all the dark fiber that was laid down in the late 90's in anticipation of the big boom? Was that all a myth, or is it just waiting to be used by the creditors that took possession after the crash?

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    5. Re:Can the backbones handle it? by cmacb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "In the future though I see a single communication line coming into your home. Off of abox installed in your house will come TV, Internet, and video Phone. Possibly using interchanged monitors."

      Right!

      And the game to watch is which of your existing services falls by the wayside. The DSL/Cable battle is just the first round. First company to put fiber in my house wins!

      Next phase will be to eliminate current ridiculous bandwidth restrictions on servers because it will be more trouble to measure than the accounting costs are worth. Everyone can finally host their own unrestricted internet server. A lot of the smaller hosting companies will be put out of our misery by this and the only companies remaining will be those that need a room full of equipment to handle the demands of the large, popular domains, Google, MS, Yahoo and the like.

      Net-centric computing will have finally arrived, and it will no longer be worth saving video, music, or even your own spreadsheet and text files on your local hard drive as they can be instantly downloaded from a server somewhere that is getting backed up regularly. In other words, current hosting companies will have the chance to transition from points of presence to storage, archiving, and application server facilities.

      This will all demand an end to the nonsense of operating systems which can be easily hacked into. Microsoft will replace the Windows underpinnings transparently with something that is standards based (probably BSD variant), but Linux will continue to thrive for those who want to have complete control over what they do with their own hardware.

      As the rest of the world tries to copy the connectivity nirvana achieved here in the US the world will enter a new era of peace and prosperity, except that all help-desk call centers the world over will still transfer to someplace in India...

      And then I woke up.

    6. Re:Can the backbones handle it? by secret+agent · · Score: 4, Funny

      FIOS spelled backwards is SOIF, which in french means THIRST. And we know that when the french are thirsty they drink EVIAN, which spelled backwards is NAIVE, which is what you are if you think FIOS will be coming to your home anytime soon, leaving you THIRSTY for bandwidth. .,.By the way FIOS is portuguese for WIRES, which is the wrong name for a fiber network.

    7. Re:Can the backbones handle it? by dmayle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Um... Yeah... Dark Fiber... That's a bunch of fiber optic lines running along railroads (mostly), that doesn't have equipment on either end. The backbone isn't the problem. If one of the major provider's is low on bandwidth, they can just upgrade the current equipment they've got. (Fiber has so much available capacity, that when you want to upgrade, you normally just replace the sender/receiver, and the repeaters, and you suddenly have more available.) It's cheaper to upgrade the equipment than to lay new lines/

      As to the dark lines in place? Backbone isn't the problem. It's the fact that no one can afford more than a single twisted pair to the office/home since laying fiber is so expensive. I've got a friend who works at an office where the building is lit up (which means fiber is run to the building and in use), and each company has 100Mbit ethernet to the fiber equipment, and a guarantee that the company has at least that much bandwidth (per customer) to all of it's peering points.

      That's the power available with fiber. Once everyone's got that kind of connection, we'll see a sudden leap, from 256Kbps or 1Mbit up to 15, 30, 50, 100. Look at how far we've stretched copper already, and we're at the extreme end of what it can do. We're only at the beginning of fiber, and once you get it to your home, the service levels will increase much faster than lines do today.

      Kinda makes me want to move back to the U.S... (though not if I have to live in Texas... ;)

  2. Bandwidth / byte charges by suckfish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What terms & conditions?

    Is this flat rate, or are there extra costs?

    Are you allowed to run servers at home?

    1. Re:Bandwidth / byte charges by the_bahua · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, I am always skeptical when I see deals like this. On the surface, it looks wonderful, except that I live in SBC territory. What I wonder is what kind of contracts there will be. I wonder if the service will require some kind of privacy outrage. I wonder if the service will have any kind of SLA, considering they seem to be aiming this at business and home office.

      I will watch this very closely, as I would love these kind of numbers, but I unfortunately don't think it'll be without more cost than the purported amount.

  3. Not $35 for 30mbps by AsnFkr · · Score: 5, Informative

    quoth the artical:

    A 2mbps to 5mbps Fios connection will cost $35 a month if purchased along with Verizon's local and long-distance telephone service. The service will cost $40 if purchased alone. A connection of up to 15mbps is available for $45 a month if purchased as part of the same telephone service bundle, or $50 alone. The company did not reveal pricing for the 30mbps plans. ...misleading headlines. *sigh*

  4. Humbug by Jahf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't get *DSL capabilities from Qwest or Cable modems where I live ... and Verizon isn't anywhere near my area ... I would guess that for most people FTTP is WAY far out in the future, if it happens at all.

    I'd definitely pay for it ... hell I'd double that ... but I don't presume to see it.

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  5. "FTT"P sounds like... by JessLeah · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the bastard child of FTP and HTTP.

  6. Monthly Bandwidth Limit by umrgregg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does Verizon throttle your connection if you use a certain ammount of bandwidth a month? I ask because I can see subscribers hitting any limits fairly quickly with 15Mbit/s. pr0n servers beware.

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  7. A note to everyone: by l33t-gu3lph1t3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This FTTP setup sounds great - but realise they're talking about fiber to the *HOME*. You want business usage? Static IP? Be prepared to pay out the @$$ for it just like with any other business ISP.

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  8. Re:Business class... by Ath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They may "rape" one part of their business (i.e. the $210/mo subscriber) but if they get an additional 10 people who were not going to sign up because of the pricing, then they are way ahead. Excess bandwidth generates $0.

  9. going to smoke cable by havaloc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's face it, cable companies can offer one thing that the phone companies can't, and that's television. If this FTTP thing works out, things are going to be great. More choices is always a good thing. If they build their own fiber, they won't have to share, which I think is one of the things that are holding things back. I realize that regulation got us into this mess, but it's time that the phone companies grow up and do something about it, instead of whining about it.

  10. Too Bad Verizon is Evil by Anomalous+Canard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First, I don't like this bundling of services. I want lockin in one area to constrain my choice.

    Verizon already restricts people using Verison DSL. SMTP traffic is filtered unless it goes through their server and if it does go through their server, you can only use a verison.net email address.

    Plus Verizon is the local telephone monopoly in this area, I don't want to voluntarially give additionnal business to any monopoly. They've sucessfully challanged the law which requires them to share their wires with competitors.

    So, while FTTH is an excellent idea, bundling it with a lot of services I don;t need isn't.

    We need a regulated monopoly to bring IP to the home and then allow companies to compete in providing services over that wire. The regulated monopoly *must not* be allowed to compete in ancillary services.

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    1. Re:Too Bad Verizon is Evil by Mistah+Blue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My personal opinion is that deregulating any sort of utility is bad. This includes the breakup of AT&T, electric deregulation, airline deregulation, etc. All of these companies price to the point where they are eating their young, so to speak. Are we really any better off? And before you go ranting about airline deregulation, my point of view is the weekly business traveler. I don't care about discount rates (although my company does to an extent) because all of my travel is to customer premises where I have to be there at a specific time (so I normally book full fare). I would rather have airelines that are financially healthy, and not cutting service to the bone.

    2. Re:Too Bad Verizon is Evil by athakur999 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have Verizon DSL in Dallas, and I have no such restriction on outgoing SMTP, so that seems to be a regional thing. I also use DHCP instead of PPPoE.

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  11. they could add p2p... by jpellino · · Score: 4, Funny

    so you could use p2p with ftp and http and call it "pffft"!

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  12. Re:Article text for the lazy by akeyes · · Score: 4, Funny

    Darn! For once I read the article, then read the first post.

    Last time I do that.

  13. Re:Why does stuff go to middle of Noplace first? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it that Cable and Telcos always luanch these things in the middle of No place...

    When the inevitable FUBARs happen, there are less pissed off people and less stuff to fix. Then when they've worked out the deployment bugs, they can try a larger market.

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  14. Not any time soon... by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Either way, I am looking forward to it.

    Don't get too excited. It's only coming to one town in Texas, then California, then Florida- and "2005" was in there somewhere- and rarely do those dates, especially when given that vaguely- mean anything. It most likely won't hit most major population centers until several years later, if at all; fiber gear is even more expensive than DSL gear, and with the US's low population density, even less likely to be profitable.

    This is what I like to call a Trophy Rollout. DSL was the same way for me; I live about 25 minutes west of Boston, next to one of the richest communities in the state(thanks to all the execs, doctors, lawyers etc from Boston living there), but because AT&T Cable is in town, Verizon didn't want to compete against them, or they had a gentleman's agreement- but our CO has been wired for at least 4 years for DSL. We also don't have a choice in cable companies- it's cable, or satellite.

    Within the last year or two, Verizon is finally offering service- but ONE plan, and no other ISPs save Verizon are offering service. 1.2Mbps/128kBit. Yes, 128kBit upload. Ie, useless for "sharing photos" or "sending files to work" etc. All this costs MORE than 3Mbit/384kBit offered by AT&T, which Verizon makes up for by marketing as "a line you don't share with all your neighbors." Sorry, but AT&T actually has plenty of capacity now, and I routinely get things like OS X software updates -at- 3Mbit/sec, on the dot(a friend and I theorize they set the cap a teensy bit over 3Mbit to account for protocol overhead). Yay, wonderful- except AT&T is draconian with their acceptable use policy, and can't keep their mail servers up worth a damn.

    If I lived ONE town over, Framingham, for example- I could have my choice among about 5 different major providers/subproviders, including Speakeasy, Covad, Megapath, and a couple of Worcester based ISPs..and about 10 different residential and business rates.

    How sad is it that I live right next door to the technology center of the east, but I have next to no choice in high speed internet access?

  15. Some more details by spludge · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/r elease.vtml?id=86053&PROACTIVE_ID=cecdcacdc7cdcbc6 cdc5cecfcfcfc5cececacccccac9c8cfc8c5cf

    5 Mbps down /2 Mbps up for $34.95 a month as part of a calling package or $39.95 a month stand-alone.

    15 Mbps down/2 Mbps up for $44.95 a month as part of a calling package or $49.95 a month stand-alone.

    30 Mbps down/5 Mbps up , pricing will be announced at a later date.

    Next stops on the rollout after Keller, TX (which is already rolled out) are Huntington beach, CA and Tampa, FL.

  16. Re:30mbps down.... by ffejie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, it's 2 Mbps up for the 15 Mbps and 5 Mbps up for the 30 Mbps. According to this article.

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  17. Re:Why does stuff go to middle of Noplace first? by ffejie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Verizon had to roll this out in "nowhere" Keller TX because of regulation laws. They wanted their first roll out to be out of their landline footprint so they wouldn't get tangled up with the FCC too much. However, Hopkinton MA (eastern MA - home of EMC) is one of the top 10 towns on the list (also, in VZ Footprint), and so is most of So Cal. Expect it in the 150 biggest markets in 8~12 months, or so says the buzz.

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  18. Re:Inducement of copyright infringement? by Fareq · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, I'll bite.

    1: Large-scale distribution of material to which *I* own the copyright. Maybe I wrote a book, maybe I made a movie or a videogame, or maybe I wrote some usefull piece of software.

    2: Large-scale distribution of copyright material with the express permission of the copyright holder(s). (for instance, Linux ISOs)

    3: High-Speed distribution of files from my computer at home to other computers around the world (kind of like an external hard drive that I dont have to carry).

    4: Downloading something that I just bought (software, in the future perhaps a movie) in seconds instead of minutes/hours.

    5: Downloading something free in seconds/minutes instead of hours (Linux ISOs, patches & updates for various software applications)

    6: Network no longer a consideration or limitation in the implementation of video games, this also decreases the need to waste CPU power compressing & reformatting the data for network transmission.

    7: Set up a media streaming service that allows me to watch any movie or listen to any song that I own from anywhere around the world (authentication required so that its only me)

    8: Run permanent servers for all your favorite games all at the same time (one or two per computer, times how ever many computers you have)

    9: Infinitely many fascinating new uses for global-scale networks that nobody ever thought of because the amount of data generated was so absurd that it was dismissed as "try again in 2150"

    10: Really interesting new types of distributed computing, such as the SETI project, which can have individual machines on the network communicate with each other during processing. It will now be possible to send both to the initiating server and to other clients, large quantities of data generated from whatever the current "work unit" is.

    11: Name anything that a business might want with high-speed internet service, add the words "home-based" in front of the word "business"

    12: This message would post to slashdot in nanoseconds instead of milliseconds, or something like that.

    I need to get back to work, so I will leave this list off here, but if I had to I could go on.

    I'm dead serious about this too... It'd be really cool to have my external hard drives with me wherever I go without having to lug 7 pounds of crap with me, just because I have 200 GB of stuff that I might want. Just because people would use the item to commit crimes does not mean that it is a criminal device.

    Consider: A crowbar is used for more than just theft.

    A gun is used for more than just murder.

    A camera/photocopier/scanner/printer/... is used for more than juist making illegal copies of printed materials.

    A computer is used for more than copyright infringement.

    The internet is used for more than copyright infringement. In fact, it is used for legitimate businesses all the time. (see Amazon.com, or iTunes Music Store, or eBay, or ...)

    </rant>

    -- Fareq

  19. To put it in more useful units... by LesPaul75 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    30 Mbps is like having a hundred thousand 300 baud modems!

    Hmmm... You know, that's actually an interesting milestone. It doesn't seem that long ago that I was actually using a 300 baud modem. This is a five-orders-of-magnitude increase in something like a decade and a half.