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Gentoo 2004.2 Released

brghntr writes "The gentoo guys (and girls) have released 2004.2 for the x86, AMD64, HPPA, and SPARC. You can read the information page here or go straight to the mirrors."

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  1. Platform curiosity by wazzzup · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm curious, why do linux distributions typically have PowerPC releases always up to a generation behind when it would seem that HPPA and SPARC are likely a smaller installed base?

    Is it that there are relatively few of the PPC base demand a Linux distribution when compared to what are mostly server-class CPU's and more likely to be running a Linux distro?

    Just wondering out loud.

    1. Re:Platform curiosity by illumin8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm curious, why do linux distributions typically have PowerPC releases always up to a generation behind when it would seem that HPPA and SPARC are likely a smaller installed base?

      Is it that there are relatively few of the PPC base demand a Linux distribution when compared to what are mostly server-class CPU's and more likely to be running a Linux distro?


      Well, I believe this is due to two things. First, you have the eBay phenomenon. Tons of Sun and HP hardware available for dirt cheap on eBay, and we're talking server class machines for a fraction of their dot.bomb retail prices. That, plus a lot of techs got "free" boxes when their dot.bombs went under and they just sort of "acquired" boxes that would otherwise be repo'd by the creditors.

      I'm curious to know if this Sparc release of Gentoo actually frickin' works or not! I tried to install Gentoo 1.4 on a Sparc and it was a frickin nightmare. I did finally get it working (somewhat), but X barely worked, and most packages wouldn't emerge properly. I couldn't even think of getting KDE working on the thing as the emerge would just crap out on me. It seems that the Sparc maintainers don't really support or even maintain the product.

      It's also not a very good sign when you go to the release website and there are no release notes available for Sparc or HPPA platforms... Gee, if they're missing the release notes, I wonder if they ever even released the software.

      As usual, I'm betting this is just a "vapor" release on all platforms except for X86 and AMD64. Why does such a cool distro have to torment me so? If you can't release a decent Sparc distro, don't even waste my time announcing it. I'll just stick with Debian, which as far as I know is the only current distro that actually works on Sparc.

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  2. Re:Girls?? Where!? by MrRTFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what a dog!

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  3. TrollSwarm 2004.07.26 Relesed (By The Sound Of It) by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1, Insightful
    What's with all the moans about Gentoo compile times every time they announce a new release?

    It's not like Gentoo are hiding anything. The documentation on the website does mention that it takes time to compile, especially if you're starting from a Stage 1 or Stage 2.

    Look, I appreciate Gentoo isn't for everyone but it's just "another way of doing things" that makes the Linux community great to be a part of.

    If you're going to use Gentoo to compile a standard KDE or Gnome system, you're probably better off using Mandrake or Fedora/Red Hat anyway.

    Using Gentoo is mainly about installing only the software you want and (if you want to) optimising the compilation to make it run as fast as possible. In the longer term, a few "emerges" keep your system pretty much bleeding edge.

    Like it or hate it, but just let people get on with it...

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  4. why do it every minor change? by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    seems like you could just skip releases until such a time as it's really useful for you then, only do critical security minor changes. Pick-say-every third release minor variation instead of every single one.

    I don't use gentoo, never tried it as all I have is a very old machine,the thought of weeks to install are.... well, it's not happening. I wouldn't bother with a binary version of what is touted as the ultimate source based, that would defeat the purpose of choosing that one, as that seems to go counter to the idea of compiling everything from source for maximum optimization. I use another binary version of linux, quite content with it. If I had another spare machine that was pretty new and powerful I would probably try it though, just for the heck of it.

    Like I said, I don't know with gentoo source, maybe you should always stay as current as possible, I really don't know, but skipping versions seems at least theoretically possible, if you wish to always compile from source.

    1. Re:why do it every minor change? by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      seems like you could just skip releases until such a time as it's really useful for you then, only do critical security minor changes. Pick-say-every third release minor variation instead of every single one.

      You could, but if you want to update the various dependencies it could eventually get very painful.

      I don't really consider Gentoo as a suitable server OS for exactly this reason - it would be only too easy to wind up with some weird inter-package problem which only happens with a very unusual combination of package versions. IMHO less likely to happen with a more thoroughly tested distro, such as Debian or Redhat, which doesn't update every little package every few weeks.

  5. Re:DISTCC to the rescue! by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Okay, I don't know how to do it, but wouldn't it be great if we could have some open-network DISTCC farms to use in completing Gentoo builds?

    Oooh... what fun!

    How to root thousands of gentoo boxes in mere days!

    Seriously, would you really want to trust DISTCC results from a system not directly under your control that you have confidence that hasn't been tampered with?

    (Sorry, but that's the first thing that comes to mind...)

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  6. Re:TrollSwarm 2004.07.26 Relesed (By The Sound Of by Stevyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I sincerely agree with the "gentoo zealots" then. I have tried other distros and I find gentoo to be the best for my needs. Before I used gentoo, I was in the same boat as you in that these people pissed me off when they'd rant and rave about gentoo. Don't worry, I'm not going to say "you should try it because I said so" I'm just going to say it IS all it's cracked up to be.

  7. Re:PPC by Curtman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Announcing a new Gentoo release is a lot like announcing a new set of debian install disks isn't it? If you've upgraded your 2004.1 this morning, then you've got everything thats in 2004.2 do you not?

    In other words, current Gentoo users should leave the mirrors alone, because they are wasting their time upgrading. Its only the live cd's (install cd) and the binary package cd's that nobody uses that have changed.