Gentoo 2004.2 Released

brghntr writes "The gentoo guys (and girls) have released 2004.2 for the x86, AMD64, HPPA, and SPARC. You can read the information page here or go straight to the mirrors."

Comments

Re:Nooooo

[gl4ss]

just take a look at the mirrors.. if the mirrors are already updated theirs no slashdotting is going to do anything to them.

for two reasons, first there's quite a big list of them and the second reason is that there's couple of sites on the list that could probably take the beating all by themselfs.

Hey

[Lover's Arrival, The]

I am from there, but I live in America now. I didn't realise posts here had to be entirely "on-message" or something, I mean, if you want to attract more women into linux, you're going to have to allow for conversations here to stray "off-topic" and across many areas including personal ones, it might be that only nerds like to regiment conversations in casual places into certain safe, technological areas, you know cutey?

And I think computer *work* is working class, that's right. There's nothing wrong with being working class. But back home, people who work in computers (and here too) tend to be working class because it is a hard working and honest profession. I'd put them at upper working class, and perhaps some at lower middle class or even middle class. Working class means nurses, skilled labourers and craftsmen, programmers, middle class is more into the professions, maybe in the computer world this would relate to designers and architects, not just programmers.

Anyway, back home working class kids go to state schools and had spectrums and whatnot to learn from at night, but upper middle and upper class children tend to go to public school which is very expensive and aren't directed towards computers but rather for more shall-we-say "managerial" positions in life.

Working class kids go to school where they are asked questions like "compare and contrast these pieces by Shelley and Byron", but upper middle and upper class children go to schools where they are asked questions more like "You are Julius Caesar. You are invading Gaul. What do you do next?"

I'm not trying to sound snobby and superior at all - in fact the opposite, I like computers and want to learn more about them, and I have nothing against working class people at all, I respect them. But culturally speaking it really is very unusual for a girl of my background to become interested in computers, alright?

Love, Margot. x

every linux distro can do cflags

[poohsuntzu]

It's usually called /etc/profile.d/make.sh in which you export CFLAGS and the compiling options you wanted.

What is this nonsense about other OSes not being able to do this?

Re:Platform curiosity

[vrai]

I run Solaris on the desktop at home (Solaris 9 with Blackbox and the KDE apps) and it was a breeze to get running. Mainly thanks to these guys, who have created an apt-get style system for Solaris.

So to install SSH I just typed "sudo pkg-get install openssh" and off it went. It handles dependencies so installing KDE would automatically download and install Qt. Much nicer than the default Sun packages.

Hopefully this fixed the bugs in 2004.1

[Stevyn]

I've had better luck with 2004.0 than 2004.1. In fact, I couldn't get 2004.1 to even boot the 2.6 kernel on the live CD. But of course the beauty of gentoo is that it doesn't matter since you can always update your system at any time.

I recommend people do a stage 3 and install the binary packages if you're not sure of what optimizations. Then play around with cfflags and use flags and then recompile everything later on. Doing a stage 1 as a beginner is a waste of time because later on you'll find some important use flag you missed that could give you some performance. Of course, if you know what you're doing, then go for a stage 1 if you have the time. It took me about 24 hours to go from stage 3 to a kde environment.

The reason I recommend gentoo to people, however, is portage. Anyone on mandrake, fedora, or suse have at one time or another had to deal with RPM hell. Portage solves all that. And while people complain how it takes so long, it's not time spent hunting for packages and tarballs like if you want to install a package that one of those above mentioned distros does not have yet. So for example, before you go to sleep, you type "emerge mozilla-firefox" and when you wake up, you have firefox and it took all of two seconds on your part. It won't take all night of course, I'm just using that example to show how while it takes longer to compile packages, it takes just two seconds of your time.

Re:Hopefully this fixed the bugs in 2004.1

[polyp2000]

This is actually an interesting point ..
One of the benefits of gentoo is the optimisation for ones hardware. If you have a fast machine the install-compile process is not so bad providing you dont cock anything up along the way. Once you have a gentoo up and running updates and installing packages with such unprecidented ease makes the initial effort well worth the while. Quite often there are the snyde remarks about waiting for stuff to compile. In all honesty once you have a gentoo box up and running compiling the odd thing from time to time is rarely an inconvenience.

I slightly drifted from the parent there but what i was going to suggest is this. There must be many many people with systems compiled for a specific architecture. eg My box is compiled and optimised for a Dual Athlon MP ; It would be quite nice if there way a way i could "dump" my system somewhere where others with similar architecture could take advantage of the optimised, but pre-compiled system. Over time, i'd envisage a library of "Gentoo's" specifically built for different systems. Do people think that this is a viable idea, and how might it be done ?

Nick ...

Re:Nooooo

[BlindSpy]

How much compiling could you be doing? I run gentoo as well and after the initial install-all-of-my-programs, I complile maybe once a week for about 5 minutes to update my world. And the time you spend compiling gets made up in Gentoo's speed. Also what do you mean by "Wouldn't most computers be too busy compiling to actually be able to slashdot anything?" The new gentoo version only applies to people that dont have gentoo yet. People that already have gentoo are constantly up-to-date.

Re:Nooooo

[fiskbil]

I don't use gentoo daily, but it seems everytime i do and I want to upgrade to the latest stuff there's always some new release of firefox, thunderbird or some other application or library that takes a long time to compile. It's not just new versions of the applications but new releases of the packages 0.9.2-2 instead of 0.9.2-1 and so on.

I suppose i must have some weird setting or perhaps I'm just too sensitive about compile times.

And I meant that downloading lots of new stuff really wouldn't hit the mirrors that hard since it takes a lot more time to compile new packages than to download them. Well at least on my connection and computer. But then again, if my above mentioned experiences are not those of the common gentoo users I guess that's not really true.

Gentoo topic icon?

[Chuck Bucket]

When do we get a Gentoo topic icon on Slashdot? Look at all of the out of date icons that are out there, but after 2 years we still don't have a Gentoo one?

Sorry, but this has irked me for some time, especially since I think the Gentoo icon is one of the classiest, along with the Debian icon. /C/B -help

DISTCC to the rescue!

[torpor]

Okay, I don't know how to do it, but wouldn't it be great if we could have some open-network DISTCC farms to use in completing Gentoo builds?

I'm sure this would be something we can get running fairly easily, and see how well it works ... the "Gentoo DISTCC Open Net" project would be an interesting Sunday afternoon exercise ... for someone ...

Re:Nooooo

[pizza_milkshake]

check out the mozilla-firefox-bin and mozilla-thunderbird-bin binary packages, just download and extract. i'll update these during work if there's a new version and then before i go home start compiling the real thing, then unmerge the bin in the morning.