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Gentoo 2004.2 Released

brghntr writes "The gentoo guys (and girls) have released 2004.2 for the x86, AMD64, HPPA, and SPARC. You can read the information page here or go straight to the mirrors."

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  1. PPC by ciryon · · Score: 3, Informative

    PPC wasn't mentioned, but it seems it's on its way too.

    FP?

    1. Re:PPC by pvdabeel · · Score: 2, Informative

      PPC is ready, just somewhat later. Our release also includes a kde/gnome livecd.

  2. Actually, Gentoo releases don't really matter.. by leathered · · Score: 5, Informative

    If your regularly do an emerge -uD world then your system is pretty much up to date.

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    1. Re:Actually, Gentoo releases don't really matter.. by Sunda666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can download teh stage1 from internet and start from there...
      No need for the gentoo livecd (but the minimal one is small and powerful, very handy. I use it to recover files from b0rked windows xp machines before reinstalling them).

      peace.

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  3. actually by ZOMG+REI! · · Score: 5, Informative

    now you can get most of the software in binary form too (using emerge).

    Not that it matters, gentoo bashers will say anything to sound smart.

  4. Re:This is great and all but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Whut?

    As stated at the bottom of the release notes, all you have to do is emerge and you will get the latest versions of everything, that's the good thing about Gentoo - you DON'T have to reinstall everytime they bring out a new release, the only people who will need to reinstall are those still on v1.2

  5. It does matter... by dpilot · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are some configuration-type things that don't get updated by an 'emerge -uD world'. Sure, all of your packages are kept up to date, but for instance, Gentoo has moved from XFree86 to X.org. That change won't be made until you move from 1.4 to 2004.x. I once saw directions on how to make the switch, but lost track before I could do anything about it. So for the moment, I'm '-uD world' like you.

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    1. Re:It does matter... by Dreadlord · · Score: 5, Informative

      To upgrade from XFree86 to X.org:

      # emerge -C xfree
      # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge xorg-x11

      XFree86 blocks X.org, not sure if x.org is still masked or not.

      So there is no need to reinstall Gentoo.

      And XFree86 is the default in 2004.1, don't know about 2004.2.

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    2. Re:It does matter... by dmayle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Take at look at the instructions on the Gentoo forums, here:

      Switch to XORG

      They were originally crafted when Xfree was deprecated on AMD64, but they apply to all architectures, and they're designed to give you a minimum of downtime. (And provide a just in case backup as well.)

    3. Re:It does matter... by deepstephen · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are some configuration-type things that don't get updated by an 'emerge -uD world'. Sure, all of your packages are kept up to date, but for instance, Gentoo has moved from XFree86 to X.org. That change won't be made until you move from 1.4 to 2004.x. I once saw directions on how to make the switch, but lost track before I could do anything about it.

      I believe you are referring to the Gentoo Upgrading Guide. It tells you how to point your /etc/make.profile to the 2004.2 version, which indeed uses X.org instead of XFree86 by default.

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    4. Re:It does matter... by jehreg · · Score: 2, Informative
      I did the switch last night.

      • /etc/init.d/xfs stop
      • /etc/init.d/xdm stop
      • emerge unmerge xfree
      • emerge xorg-x11
      • cp /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
      • /etc/init.d/xfs start
      • /etc/init.d/xdm start

      And I run nvidia too; no need to remerge nvidia-kernel. I did remerge nvidia-glx, just in case, but you should not have to.

    5. Re:It does matter... by cuban321 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Never, ever, ever, unless you like broken boxes use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS.

      Instead, man portage and read about /etc/portage/package.keywords

    6. Re:It does matter... by Distinguished+Hero · · Score: 4, Informative

      To upgrade from XFree86 to X.org:
      # emerge -C xfree
      # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge xorg-x11


      The more correct way of doing this would be:

      # emerge -C xfree
      # echo "x11-base/xorg-x11 ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
      # emerge -av xorg-x11

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    7. Re:It does matter... by cos(0) · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know that personal anecdotes do not matter much, but I'm running my workstation with ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" for over a year now, regularly `update -up world', and have yet to have a single software problem.

    8. Re:It does matter... by wolf31o2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, just a simple: emerge -C xfree && emerge xorg-x11 would suffice, as xorg-x11 is marked stable.

  6. Does it really matter? You always get latest! by xiando · · Score: 5, Informative

    The strenght of Gentoo Linux is that it does not really matter what version you are using. emerge sync and emerge -u world, wait a while and there: you are running the latest version. The install has not changed much, so this actually means nothing to us Gentoo users. You get the latest version whatever Live CD you use to install, only the pre-buildt GRP packages are different on new releases.

    This is why you should try Gentoo today, it is excellent for both servers and desktops. Desktop users can choose to use the latest ("masked"), bleeding edge versions, while older stable packages should be preferred for production environments.

    The Gentoo Portage tree has more packages in it's database than any other Linux distribution. The freedom to choose.

    There is also a sweet front-end for Gentoo's portage called porthole. It allows you to search through the package database from a GUI GTK interface. You can browse the portage database online to find out how much software is available without installing Gentoo.

    ..try Gentoo today! It's excellent.

  7. Torrents by Weird+O'Puns · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I last checked there weren't links to the torrents on the announcement and now I can't get to the site and see if they've changed that. So just to be sure here's the link.

  8. Re:Platform curiosity by dmayle · · Score: 3, Informative

    why do linux distributions typically have PowerPC releases always up to a generation behind

    This one's easy. The majority of people running PPC machines at home are using OS X. It's up to date, it's supported, and it's a very good desktop machine.

    How many people at home who have an Alpha machine want to run Digital's unix on the desktop? The same goes for HP/PA Risc

    Or Solaris for that matter. The effort to get a Solaris machine up to snuff for desktop use, with all patches, is phenomenal... I know, because I have a work machine running Solaris, with gnome, firebird, evolution, vim, gcc, cvs, ssh, etc., and it took me three full days of installation and patches to get this set up. I have another sparc machine at home that I installed gentoo on, completely from scratch (stage 1) that took less time than that to get going. And most of that time I left it to do it's own thing...

    I think it's just a question of what the enthusiasts on a particular hardware base want to do with their machine. If you're unhappy with that, you are, of course, always welcome to join one of the teams to help them get it out sooner...

  9. Re:Imagine a Beowful cluster of Gentoo 2004.1 sys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    gentoo has ebuild for both apache 2.0 and apache 1.3

  10. Re:Imagine a Beowful cluster of Gentoo 2004.1 sys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Installation document comes with Gentoo installation CD as well as text mode www-browser.

    Extra computer is not needed although it might be helpful.

  11. Get your Torrents here! by KingDaveRa · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.tlm-project.org/torrents/gentoo/x86/200 4.2/ I had to dig on the forums to find this, but still.

    1. Re:Get your Torrents here! by KingDaveRa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Grrr!!! My post screwed up. Ignore the original and try this:
      Download Torrents

  12. Re:Imagine a Beowful cluster of Gentoo 2004.1 sys. by Weird+O'Puns · · Score: 2, Informative
    Additionally, installing Gentoo more or less dictates that you have two computers - the one your installing Gentoo on and the system you use to browse the Gentoo forums and Install instructions to deal with gotchas and unexpected behavior.

    You don't need two computers to do this. The Gentoo liveCD comes with - if they haven't removed them - installation instructions and a cli browser(lynx), which is suitable for browsing the forums.

    If you don't like cli you could always use another Linux distro or Knoppix LiveCD to install Gentoo...

  13. Re:Girls?? Where!? by swtaarrs · · Score: 2, Informative
  14. Apache 2.0 + Prefork + PHP = fine. by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 2, Informative

    PHP runs fine with Apache 2.0, just enable prefork to make it work the same as Apache 1.3.x with child daemons. Hell, if you are running fairly limited libraries in PHP you can get away without.

    More info on Prefork at http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/prefork.html

    There's probably some USE flag you can set to force a prefork build in Gentoo.

    Still, i'm one of those odd people that prefer to roll their own Apache install.

  15. Re:Nooooo by orzetto · · Score: 2, Informative

    If the servers are out, try the torrents.

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  16. Solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Do what I did, just use one of those live cds like Knoppix or Morphix or whatever, you can install gentoo from there. Of course, it required that you either have a 2nd cd-rom drive to put the gentoo disc in while you're still running Knoppix.

  17. Re:This is great and all but... by skiman1979 · · Score: 3, Informative

    why would you have to trash 2004.1? Just install 2004.1. Once finished, log on as root and type 'emerge sync' followed by 'emerge -u world'. Then your system will be totally up to date, as in you will then be running 2004.2. The version numbers for the LiveCD's are just to get a new system *fairly* up-to-date before downloading any updates. This keeps people from having to download tons of files to update a version that's too old.

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  18. You don't even need the Gentoo CD... by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 2, Informative
    I figured out a way to just use two Fedora Core 1 floppies and a live Internet connection...

    Linux - How to Install Gentoo via Floppies and Network Only Using Fedora Floppies

    Hope this eases some download woes for someone...

  19. Re:How to upgrade by Distinguished+Hero · · Score: 2, Informative
    rm /etc/make.profile
    ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-x86-2004.2 /etc/make.profile
    Thats it. The profile tells portage which packages to use. The only difference between gentoo releases are the new profile, and the GRP binary packages are rebuilt. Simple huh?
    The parent is quite right, and unlike 2004.1, which used the 2004.0 profile for x86, 2004.2 comes with a new set of profiles. Here's some documentation covering the subject of profiles. The document hasn't yet been updated to reference 2004.2; however, it is still very useful. Anyways, if you want to update to the 2004.2 profile you can follow the parent's suggestions, or you might want to use the "new-style locations":

    # rm /etc/make.profile
    # ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2004.2 /etc/make.profile
    where x86 should be replaced with your current architecture: alpha, amd64, arm, ppc, sparc, or x86, although not all of those architectures have 2004.2 profiles

    Of added interest appears to be the /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2004.2/gcc 34 profile, which automatically updates gcc to 3.4.1 on the next emerge -aDvu world.
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  20. Re:This is great and all but... by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Informative

    As I said before, the concept of a fluid distro are lost on some people.

    I installed Gentoo about a year ago and have never downloaded a new "version" as I keep up with my emerge on a regular basis.

    The only thing I can figure is that they are installing on fresh systems or want a live CD. Then it would make sense. But from the people I've talked to, they don't realize they already have the latest version if they "emerge sync && emerge -uDv world"

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  21. Re:Hopefully this fixed the bugs in 2004.1 by umoto · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can use the "quickpkg" tool (it's part of Portage) to generate binary packages, then have your friend use "emerge -k".

    Like another poster said, it would be hard to get strangers to trust your binary packages. But for a network of friends like a Linux user group, your workplace, or a school lab, building binary Gentoo packages would be really cool.