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Open Source a National Security Threat
n3xup writes "Dan O'Dowd, CEO of Green Hills Software, suggests that open source software has the capability of being sabotaged by foreign developers and should not be used for U.S. military or security purposes. He likened Linux with a Trojan Horse- free, but in the end a lot of trouble. O'Dowd thinks that unfriendly countries will attempt to hide intentional bugs that the Open Source community will have no chance of finding."
Understand the source perspective before you draw opinions. Green Hills is under threat from Linux due to the embedded software being integrated in more Government system. GreenHills is (was?) a large player in government based Embedded Operating Systems. I imagine you will see a similar stance by WindRiver maker of the popular Realtime Embedded OS VXWorks.
The threat comes from the length of time on some large government projects. Some systems have been around longer than you and me. In the proprietary world, your whole project is dependent on a set of companies staying in business for 30+ years. Now with Linux, you're no longer dependent on that string; you can leverage off the community providing updates or if necessary you as the developer can make the changes. Most people fail to say this with Linux; everyone just says hey it's free and cheap. But if you really want to sell Linux, try saying that your entire project doesn't fall on another proprietary solution, we will have the source code in hand - people will listen.
It's easy to retort GreenHills FUD by saying all changes will be baselined and a change control board will review any updates (easy enough huh).
Shouldn't this article immediately point back to other articles on
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how governments OUTSIDE the US are choosing open source for exactly
the same reason (who knows what M$ + NSA put in the closed windows
source that might hurt other nations)?
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Some embedded Linux providers even outsource their development to China and Russia.
GASP! Some XYZ providers even outsource their development to ABC and DEF (insert your favorite company and terrorist sponsoring country where necessary).
It would be incredibly naive to believe that other countries and terrorist organizations would not exploit an easy opportunity to sabotage our military or critical infrastructure systems when we have been doing the same to them for more than 20 years!
I think it has been proven that closed-source development doesn't help to change the possibilities that a "mole" has been planted or that a "hole" will be discovered.
One of the greatest misconceptions about Linux is that the free availability of its source code ensures that the "many eyes" with access to it will surely find any attempt at sabotage. Yet, despite the "many eyes," new security vulnerabilities are found in Linux every week in addition to dozens of other bugs. Many of these flaws have eluded detection for years. It is ridiculous to claim that the open source process can eradicate all of the cleverly hidden intentional bugs when it can't find thousands of unintentional bugs left lying around in the source code.
And it is ridiculous to claim that a closed development enviornment will make it any different.
In addition, under the internationally recognized Common Criteria for IT Security Evaluation (ISO 15408), Windows has been certified to Evaluation Assurance Level 4 (EAL 4), a higher level of security than the EAL 2 that Linux has achieved.
According to this article, obtaining EAL2 certification typically costs between $400,000 and $500,000. Looks like it is more money than security. In their infancy, why would Linux vendors decide to shell out large sums of money when the government wasn't interested in using Linux anyway?
This whole article is FUD. He's annoyed because Linux is making leaps and bounds and will possibly affect his market-share in the lucrative Defense and Aerospace industries. At least he came out and said it on his own legs and not by paying off a third party to "investigate" the "problems" with Linux and post their results to the world.
IIRC, China has seen the source code to Microsoft Windows, whereas the U.S. government hasn't.
I think that's a pretty large security threat right there...
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Dan O'Dowd, CEO of Green Hills Software, suggests that open source software has the capability of being sabotaged by foreign developers and should not be used for U.S. military or security purposes.
Urmm , so what operating system do you use then Dan O'Dowd? and which newspapers and websites do you read?
You're obviously using a closed source operating system that is free of viruses, worms, holes and other security problems. What might this mystery closed source operating system that you are using that doesnt pose a threat to the nations security?
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And it doesn't have to be in the Linux kernel. The classic example (at least 10 years old) is to hack up gcc so that it examines the code it's compiling, and if it decides that it's compiling /bin/login to do things a little differently, inserting a back door where there was none before.
However, while he does have a point, it's a very myopic point. Closed source software has exactly the same vulnerabilities, except for one critical difference -- only people within the company in question have a chance of detecting the problem -- the end user will never get to see the source and see if it's compromised. Granted, most open source users do not review all the source code that they use, but at least the option is there, and for the people where security is absolutely essential (like the NSA) they almost certainly use it.
Also, for a closed source company, the problem is even worse. The backdoor (or whatever) could be introduced when the code is finally compiled for distribution, and never get checked into whatever source control system they use. So the binaries get shipped out, but NOBODY has reviewed the source code in question (except our cracker friend) and once the bug does come to light (if it ever does) the company will look at the source code and scratch it's head -- it won't even have the source code in question to look at.
The cornerstone of open source is that it is OPEN SOURCE. The government is free to view and evaluate all the packages to their little, demonic hearts' content.
If I were a terrorist, I'd think I would penetrate a closed-source house (say, Microsoft or Green Hills) and hack some little nasties into their source.
But,, maybe that's why Dan O'Dowd isn't a very good terrorist.
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This is precisely why Brazil, China, and even Germany are moving towards open-source. The US Government cannot insert backdoors into this stuff that would affect anyone not wanting to be affected, unlike Microsoft stuff. Remember the NSA keys in the Windows NT crypto libraries?
The US can continue to run Windows, be our guest, but the point is moot since much of US Government software is developed in India anyways. No back doors there, for sure.
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It's possible, and HAS happened that KNOWN, and TRUSTED engineers have put bits of code that would pass initial scrutiny and still be dangerous.
Wasn't there recently an article about a router with a backdoor shipped out in its code? How about all those darn "easter eggs" floating around in Windows and Office and other programs?
I would challenge you to compile a new Intel C library using a Microsoft C compiler from 6 years ago too. Heck, compile glibc using an IRIX compiler from six years ago.
You can drag out all the scenarios you want and whether it's Linux or it's *nix or BSD or Windows you're going to have the same audit challenges and not even have access to the source code without negotiating with all your suppliers.
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What a bizarre article.
The statement "Yet, despite the "many eyes," new security vulnerabilities are found in Linux every week in addition to dozens of other bugs." Shouldn't one consider that the "many eyes" are the developers finding those weekly bugs? Wonder how many eyes are looking for Green Hills software bugs?
As long as people are involved, mistakes (bugs) will be made. But saying that malicious code is more likely in a product where someone CAN examine the code verses a product where no one can is just plain stupid. There is obviously an undisclosed agenda here (might that be selling a DO-178B Level A rated real time OS, aka Integrity? Getting a lot of Linux competition, eh?).
As to the standard DO-178B...the first 90% of the article is about security, then you mention DO-178B. DO-178B is not a security standard. DO-178B is a FAA safety related standard for software. Any software certified under DO-178B can still be full of unknown security holes. The standard may be required for software used in flight related applications but it does not mean the software is also secure.
The level A rating doesn't even mean "most secure" as the article seems to imply. It means that if the software crashes, it will not affect other software that is running. In other words, the software is ISOLATED, not secure.It is amazing the things companies will say when they are losing ground to a competitor.
The NSA: The only part of the US government that actually listens.
Nope. Open source is still the best way to go, along with open government. When you let people hide "stuff", and when it's connected to massive political power and heaps 0 money, that's when crimes occur. The best bet is openness, bar none. It is not perfect, but it's the best design yet.
Sure, there is a threat in the Open Source movement. But, how is that threat compared to offshoring? I don't think they are any different. Yet, when a threat is something that enhances the bottom line, security concerns are not raised.
When one is ranting in a desperate plea to defend one's own methodology & existence, it is often helpful to ignore facts that do not support one's case.
he is terminally paranoid. I understand that he has a vested interest in FUDing FOSS, but let's attack his argument for a second:
First of all, what truly important piece of software would possibly be part of open public development? I thought this was specialized enough of a field that the only people who had any competence with what you were making were already trusted anyway. Wasn't SELinux developed *inside the NSA* before it was released?
Secondly, assuming a vital piece of software WERE being developed publicly, someone trying to insert malicious code would have to make it past a few barriers, the first being the most complicated. He would have to: 1) Know what his deliberately inferior code would probably do in the finished product versus what a non-ciminal would want it to do. 2) Get it past the critical eye of a few other developers, 3) Slip through some kind of government screening. And all the while NOT make anyone suspicious.
And even then the results are not guaranteed. What is your cyberterrorist counting on? I sincerely doubt that he could have snuck a back door into the code given all those hoops. I don't think the deliberate bug can be both significant and unknown at the same time. Is he hoping that his bug will cause the software to make a slight miscalculation? Whoopty shit. Whatever agency he or she is working against will be annoyed for a little while and then fix the problem.
Even if his deliberate bug caused a catastrophic failure, it can and will be traced back to HIS contribution, and if some terrorist group stands up and says "Ha ha! Look what we did! And here's why!" (and if it's Al-Qaeda we can be almost certain of this) That man is immediately under FBI surveillance and probably arrest.
In any case, inserting a bug would be a lot of work. A lot of work for an uncertain return, and success will mean almost inevitable detection.
Why some terrorist would bother with this approach is beyond me. It's so much easier just to fill a truck with dynamite.