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RFID More Hackable Than Retailers Think?

Iphtashu Fitz writes "Lukas Grunwald, a senior consultant with DN-Systems Enterprise Solutions GmbH, is warning retailers that the RFID technology that they are quickly adopting can easily be hacked with the appropriate tools. Grunwald has written a program called RFDump which lets you read and display all metadata within an RFID tag and also modify the user data using a text or hex editor. He wrote this program to demonstrate how consumers can protect themselves by wiping out RFID data after purchasing a product but he acknowledges that it would be trivial to abuse this behavior. What, you might ask, can you do if you hack an RFID tag? Well as the technology is adopted more widely a thief could conceivably mark down the price of an expensive piece of jewelry before paying for it at an automated checkout counter, underage hackers could purchase alcohol or adult movies, and pranksters could simply reprogram the inventory of an entire store by just walking up and down the isles. 'The people who will be using this (shopkeepers) don't know much about technology,' Grunwald warned."

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  1. No Tech is safe by KD5UZZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can anyone point out a new technology that was 'safe' when it was first deployed? It seems that every new technology has some security defect, or some other flaw. This reminds me of DirectTV smart cards.

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    1. Re:No Tech is safe by Chexum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, but umm, what prevents me now relabeling the bar codes in a store? And it's not that high tech either..

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    2. Re:No Tech is safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It is pretty damn obvious. Also you have to go past a real live human

    3. Re:No Tech is safe by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...not every can of coke needs a different tag.

      It depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If you're attempting to take inventory by using RFID tags, having a product ID and serial number in the tag is a good thing. You can wave the reader around a shelf and know how many cans of Coke you have in six packs, 12 packs, 20 oz, etc (each different form factor would have a unique product ID).

      Similarly, a drink machine could contain a reader coil around the inside of the refrigerated box that could poll the contents of the machine and set prices accordingly (today I have 20oz Coke bottles - they're $1. The Red Bulls are $2, etc). The machine could also 'call home' when a particular item runs low. There are lots of reasons to have unique IDs on otherwise identical products.

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    4. Re:No Tech is safe by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes rubbish.

      Its a TAG which contains METAdata, not data.

      It does not contain item prices or consumer behavior. Its an ID for crying out loud. the actual ID number is fixed and not changeable. Plus most have a crypto mode, which can be locked on permanantly. Once locked, the data can still be changed, but you need the special key and whatnot, which means you need to break the encryption. Its not trivial.

      The space on the tag is used for identification purposes ONLY. The tracking is done by a database elsewhere.

      We be tagging whales and wild animals for years, but you dont put the info in the tag, you put it in a database, duh.

    5. Re:No Tech is safe by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no no no...

      the 16oz cans all need the same RFid tag exactly how they do it right now with barcodes.

      then have different rfid tag's for the case package.

      Stores then can see that johnny-public bought a item that has a Case identifier tag and 12 can identifiers... making one complete case of coke.

      serializing is still simple and is part of the manufacturing process in most chips anyways.

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    6. Re:No Tech is safe by whorfin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This kind of relabeling was happening before there were barcodes or scanners of any kind in common use. When I was in high school, and working in a grocery, some unscrupulous customer had pilfered one of the pricing sticker guns while the stock clerk wasn't looking. They apparently used it to reprice some stuff cheaper, but when the cashier noticed that some expensive stuff rang up way too cheap...busted!

      There was also the case of a cashier who rang up expensive meats for her friends at a fraction of the stickered price. She, too was busted.

      In both of these cases, an expert human witness was required to determine that 'something wasn't right', which the machine couldn't do on its own.

      This boils down to a question of trust and costs. Which costs more: to employ the humans who can correlate correct pricing and to eat the losses caused by insider corruption, or to eat the losses associated with automation failures and exploits?

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    7. Re:No Tech is safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Also, the self checkout lines double check your items by weight. So if you scan your steaks as onions, it's going to see that your steaks weigh a lot more than the onions should and notify the person on duty.

      A pound of onions weighs the same as a pound of steak...

      Also. just as almost no one stores the item price on UPCs today, no one will store the item price in an RFID tag. It is not trivial to change the database row that the UPC/RFID.

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  2. Reprogramming by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and pranksters could simply reprogram the inventory of an entire store by just walking up and down the isles

    What quicker way to make life insanely difficult for a retailer who forces the use of these things upon customers.

    How much would it cost to re-manualise their systems if they keep on just losing track of the info in their RFID tags. Hw many would even bother after the 2nd time.

    Looks good

    1. Re:Reprogramming by dmayle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry to say, but this is where the Patriot Act will come into play. You'll be marked as a "domestic terrorist" (basically anyone violating federal law) in no time, and then it's Go Directly To Jail, Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200.

  3. Its easy by kunjan1029 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i dont think anyone could mark down stuff. because the price is not stored in the RFID itself. its a seperate database that matches with the product code. but yeah the thief might be able to change the product code to another cheap product. and thereby acheive the same thing

    just my 0.02

    1. Re:Its easy by rokzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      no, that is NOT the same thing.

      if the description doesn't fit the checkout assistant won't allow the sale.

      if you use an automated checkout, then why bother even changing it? you won't have the correct item on your receipt so no proof of purchase if stopped by security.

      all it would allow is you to claim someone else did it if you get caught. but if you have the RFID writer on you that won't work. you'll have to get rid of it but with security cameras everywhere that won't necessarily work.

    2. Re:Its easy by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're not thinking about this right.

      Marking it down doesn't mean marking THAT item down, it simply involves making one item look like another.

      For example... if you program a $50 shirt to look to the scanner like a $14 shirt, instant discount.

      What would be funny though is a pack of balloons being remarked as a package of condoms or some other such amusing change of ID.

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    3. Re:Its easy by Asic+Eng · · Score: 4, Insightful
      all it would allow is you to claim someone else did it if you get caught. but if you have the RFID writer on you that won't work.

      So you have an accomplice do the remarking, he walks out after purchasing a chocolate bar, then it's your turn with the expensive stuff. Or you just go into the store twice, once with the RFID writer, and once to collect the stuff.

    4. Re:Its easy by 53cur!ty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bravo! Correct you are!

      No search can be performed and then it will be by the Police. They won't search you unless they arrest you first (for shoplifting). More to the point the store will have to prove you or your accomplise mismarked the items, near impossible unless you confess.

      More to the point, why would we warn the retailers of this flaw in the system they have spent millions to create?

      Are these the same people that go shopping and then tell Management they can't believe how low their prices are so they will raise them?!

      I'm not advocating stealing here but believe in natural selection. If WalMart, et al, is so stupid as to pay [b|m]illions to have a system developed that has such a gaping hole let them pay the price.

    5. Re:Its easy by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if the description doesn't fit the checkout assistant won't allow the sale.

      You have never really been IN a big store, have you?

      You walk up to the counter at Target or Wal Mart.
      You hand the checkout person the MP3 player you want to buy. It's an ABC corp 512 meg MP3 player with inegrated everything, $300.

      However, you have switched the RFID codes with the ABC Corp's *bottom* end product, a 32 meg crap Mp3 player @ $14.99.

      The checkout person (9 times out of 10 a new immigrant who probably can't read english all that well anyway) looks at item, it says "MP3 player" on the side. Maybe somewhere on the package is the code XBWU3214114CMP3512X. The RFID tag talks to the cash register, and the checkout person glances at it and it says "MP3 Player, ABC Corp, prod XBWU3111234DMP3032X $14.99"

      Yeah, that checkout person's going notice. SURE.

      Products without on-package pricing
      + low paid checkout staff
      + easily-hacked RFID
      = my money's going to go a LOT further.

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  4. circle by Outsider_99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Doesnt everything go like this? Im sure they will find a solution to the problem... then a new hack will come out... then a solution will come out...

  5. Barcodes are unsafe too. by JanMark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When barcodes were introduced, retailers feared barcode swappers, because barcodes were not printed on partitioned labels, like those small price labels used to be (If you can remeber when all items were (manually) priced, you are getting old.) It turned out not to be to big a problem (now most barcodes are printed).

    However, when you can automate something, that is an differend story. With tag swapping, you can play the percentage game, usually the number of individual swappers is small. With automated swapping (esp. wireless), one individual can swap everything. That is a true risk.

    However like the step from label to printon bar code. There is only a small window of opportunity.
    In the near future, we will see read-only tags, embedded during the production fase.

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  6. More intrusive technology by flopsy+mopsalon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This sorry instance is yet another example of how "technology" can be used by the forces of power to clamp down on the rights of the individual. To wit: RfID tags are used by merchants to infringe on the rights of individuals: tracking the movements of customers, keeping track of their purchasing history, and so forth.

    I for one am fed up with this sort of piecemeal erosion of our most sacred freedoms. What I strongly feel is needed is a "technological bill of rights" to curb this sort of abuse.

    Strange as it may sound, I do not think that amending the constitution is too absurd a step to take. I think a simply worded amendment similar to the first or second amendments would be the way to go. Something like: "Congress shall make no law using technology to infringe on basic liberty of citizens." Something like that.

    Of course, amending the constitution would not stop private merchants from abusing technology such as RFiD tags, but at least it would put a damper on the federal government's actions, as well as send a strong signal as to where we stand, similar to how that amendment that abolished slavery helped pave the way for civil rights. This page has some helpful information as well.

  7. Competitors by detritus. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing I have always seen as a potential problem is a store's competitors using RFID scanners to take inventory and/or monitor what their competitor's customers are walking out of the store with.
    Any data you can get on your competitors is certainly better than none at all.

  8. Using EAN and RFID to shop ethically by zyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have an idea that I've been thinking about for a while.

    Some of us choose what to buy on the basis on how well-behaved the producing company is. Nothing new here. Some "bad" companies and their products are easy to indentify: I try to not buy anything from Nestle (breastmilk substitute in Africa), McDonalds (cutting down rainforests), and so on. As you can see from my reasons, they are probably a bit outdated as it can be hard to get good consumer information through the media noise.

    Ok, heres the thing: most products these days have an EAN/UCC code. The number in that code includes an identifier for the selling company. What if the Internet community would create a database of companies and start setting grades on them with regards to product quality, environment concern, workforce treatment, and so on?

    "But it would be too much of a hassle to query the database each time one buy cerials" you say. Sure, but consider two things:

    • Most mobilephones today (and certainly more in the future) have a builtin camera. Use that to photograph the EAN code, run a picture recognition program (in the phone ofcourse) and either compare to a snapshot database in the phone or check the online database directly!
    • You will quickly learn to avoid certain brands, and also educate people in your surrondings (friends, relative, etc).

    How do RFID fit into this? Well, imagine a clock that vibrates when you are about to touch some ethically questionable item! :-D

    RFIDs have been creating a lot of interest in the industry as it gives them better control over where items are, who buys them, if they return, etc. Now, if consumers could easily boycott a company due to bad quality or unethically behavior, the whole idea could backfire on them!

    1. Re:Using EAN and RFID to shop ethically by Chatterton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just my 2 cent, but in most selling point it is prohibed to use camera to shot product and product prices. Shooting the EAN code could be interpreted as shooting the product.

  9. Non-issue for store tags by paulikoira · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Concerning expensive RFID tag applications like public tranport prepaid accounts, this could be a problem. More expensive crypto tags solve that problem.

    Concerning stores, this is stupid. Retailers don't need expensive reprogrammable tags and don't use them. Cheap tags are just a unique ID number which can't be changed. Any decent retailer saves money on tags and increases security by using cheap tags (no data storage, just a fixed number) and keeping their price and product data in a database keyed to these ID numbers. So talk of walking through Wal-mart and saving money or causing chaos is fantasy.

    Conclusion: it is only the medium price (storage but no crypto) tags which are and always have been a risk. The only contribution of this program is raising wider awareness and thus breaking illusory security through obscurity.

  10. Re:Crypto? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not that easy. You could still copy the info from one tag to another. Even if all tags contain info encoded with different seeds: When the duplicate "message" arrives at the reader, thereby revealing the breach, the item with the fraudulent tag will long be gone.

    The way to fix this is to make the tag only accept new data (or erase commands) when it's signed with the same key as existing data. But crypto hardware is more expensive and power hungry than simple storage, so it may not even be technically feasible to do this right now. When it is feasible, privacy is gone, because the tag could just as well keep hidden copies and only reveal them when queried with another private key.

  11. This is plain hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who would be silly enough to purchase programmable RFID tags.

    In any secure application you don't keep the important info on the portable device! You put it in a secure database where all the security risks are known. The RFID tags should have a non-programmable, non-erasable fixed unique code.

    The scaremongering that this thread typifies is both stupid and done to death.

  12. Fear Fear Fear by robvangelder · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is total, fear installing crapiola.

    As I understand it, RFIDs contain a unique number which is not overwritable.
    The tags just identify the product. Backend databases hold the configurable information.

    At it's core, it replaces a barcode. And to my knowledge barcodes are not hackable.

    Why on earth would a retail store want to decentralise their information by storing data on RFIDs?!

    For tagging postal package, that's a different matter. I imagine a courier would write to RFIDs. Sure it's hackable, but only couriers have phyiscal access to it.

  13. The solution: by nahdude812 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Legislation.

    We'll just release poorly thought out technology that promises things older tech's can't deliver, but make sure not to put in the press releases that mayhem can ensue from its use. Then when someone discovers this, we'll just see to it that it's illegal to own equipment capable of performing these operations (despite their otherwise legitimate uses), and so we have protected our customers by giving them a false sense of security while sacrificing another tiny bit of essential liberty.

  14. RFID Tags by butlerdi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The tags do not generally contain data and for the most part are read only in the new systems. The tag only contains an identifier which is used to access the info just like a barcode. Changing the number to another at the checkout would still display the id of the product. You have a watch at the checkout and the till shows a tin of beans.... These systems are not that easy to hack in reality, at least no more so than barcodes. Most people do not change the price tags either out of honesty or fear of being caught. I doubt very much that jewelry stores will ever have self checkout lanes.

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  15. Re:W-O-R-M by gd23ka · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This question deserves both: to be modded up and an answer.

    First of all, there are no widely adopted international standards for RFID but there is work on ISO 18000, so it all depends on whether your reader/forger supports a given tag's vendor protocol.

    The next problem is that RFID systems can operate at different frequencies, the most common ones are 125KHz - 148KHz, high at 13.56 MHz, UHF 850-915MHz and even at 2.45 GHz in the ISM band.

    The tags that will be used in retail at automated checkout counters all have a scheme for preventing tag-collision that occurs when tags respond simultaneously to the reader. In order to hide a $800 digital cam-corder the following would have to happen:

    You bring the forger into the store and operate it where it is not in view of the many security cameras staring at you

    You research the store for a low price article that matches within tolerance what the cam-corder weighs. What that tolerance is,will be open to your own research. Setting the forger to lowest sensitivity / lowest transmit power you read the RFID data of the low-price article. Make double sure the data you read is from the low-price article and not from one of the thousands of tags surrounding you.

    The low-price article may have individual identifying RFID data that must NOT be scanned at the checkout counter, not even after you and maybe your helper have left the store (Remember the security cameras, they could potentially match up your face at the automatic checkout with the article!). Also, again if the RFID data uniquely identifies the article another customer could take it to the automatic checkout and the system could mark the article as already sold in its database meaning you can't purchase it in lieu of the cam-corder. You must disable / destroy the low-price article's RFID tag either physically or with the forger.

    You set the forger to the lowest sensitivy / lowest transmit power to read out the RFID data of the cam-corder. Make sure you get the right RFID data because you will be surrounded by tons of RFID tags. (BTW, it may be safer to read out the RFID data of the cam-corder you want one day and maybe have someone else get it the next day, but if you do that then make sure you mark the box some way that you or your helper takes the right cam-corder to the checkout. This may be because each cam-corder may have unique RFID data).

    You take the cam-corder to the checkout and flip the forger into forge-mode. The forger monitors the radio communication at the reader forcing the transmission of the low-price article's RFID data utilizing the vendors tag-collision protocol to quiet the cam-corders tag. After transmitting the low-price article RFID data the forger jams the reader making the automatic checkout believe this is the only article being presented for purchase.

    Complete the purchase with cash or with credit/debit cards not linked to you.

  16. So make fooling them harder, easy: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    whatever extra space may be available in the RFID metadata, the store checksums the verified contents and encrypts that with their private key. simple.

  17. More crazy laws... by Wubby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would expect that instead of actually fixing the technology (if possible) adopters and promoters of RFID will start a massive campaign of lobbying for harsh federal laws that make it illegal to possess, create or look at any device that could possibly be used in "hacking" RFIDs. These would include (but are not limited to:

    RF detectors
    Calculators
    pencils
    human brain
    words

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  18. encryption by emorphien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least RFID can handle some types of encryption. A encryption key can be kept in the reader and since it doesn't have to be broadcast this isn't necessarily a huge problem. And since RFIDs can be managed automatically if someone really was worried the whole system could check and rewrite each items data once a day or something to make use of a new encryption key.

    Some people have already looked in to this, although of course retailers don't pay attention anyway.

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  19. Ahh yes the concientious cashier by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The $6 an hour cashier with a line behind her and performance metrics based on her checking speed is certainly going to be someone to trust with verification of merchandise and the proper tagging.

    I'm sure they all love their jobs and take them seriously.

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  20. Tin Foil Hats Keeps The RFID away by Shihar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Time to take the tinfoil hat off. The reason why merchants are slavering over RFID is not because they are stroking their evil beards while thinking up ways to trick you into the matrix vats. The biggest reason why RFID is exciting is because it means they can inventory a shelf just by having a guy sweep a scanner across it in a matter of seconds. Hell, they could inventory an entire warehouse in a matter of seconds. They are excited because you can go to the checkout line, swipe your credit card and grab your recipe on the way out without ever having to glance at a human.

    Now, could RFID be used to track your movements? Potentially, but so could a camera with facial recognition. RFID chips could simply be implanted with the ability to deactivate once the transaction is complete.

    Even taking the worst case scenario, all the evil corporations collaborate to track what you buy and where you go, what do you think they are going to do with that data, send in a corporate death squad to off you? At worst, they are going to take all that data, shove it into a computer, decide what it is you seem to be inclined to buy, and try and sell you stuff some computer algorithm thinks you are likely to want. Annoying if it results in more spam in your mail box? Sure. The end of liberty? Hardly.

    Honestly, corporations worry me the least. When I deal with a corporation, it is generally a voluntary transaction. Abercrombie can't put a gun to my head and force me to pay double the price to buy a shirt with their ugly corporate logo smeared across it. If I am dumb enough to buy it, well, I was dumb enough to buy it. If anything gives me pause, it is the government. If I tell the government I don't feel like paying for social security this year because I would rather invest that money myself, they CAN point a gun to my head and tell me that I am mistaken and I in fact DO want to buy social security this year.

  21. Re:Audits by mengel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That only works if someone does just one item.

    If you remap every item in the store, everything everyone buys on that day will be wrong. Narrowing it down to the Black Hat who did it is hard.

    If you swap ID's between components, the inventory (which they also take with RFID's, of course) comes out right, and the problem shows up when a pack of gum has the RFID of a $50 item...

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  22. True, but not really new... by mengel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The thing is, UPC barcodes are hackable too. You can print a couple of barcodes on sticky labels on any old printer, and stick new barcodes on the item, and I expect most stores wouldn't really notice. In fact, Slippery Jim DiGriz was doing that in the Stainless Steel Rat books quite a few years ago (Okay, so he was messing with the barcodes with a good old pen, by hand, but you get the idea).

    What is cool about the RFID stuff is that I bet with the right antenna, you could do the reprogramming from the parking lot, and do a whole shelf full (store full?) at once. Suddenly, everything in the store is a 50 cent pack of Wrigley's...

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  23. it matters because... by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...... it's the gestalt of all the little specifics that add up to a general wrongness. RFID tracks the part, thew widget, then you use a store card or cc or cash to buy it. They have cameras as well that go to the mix. Add in location of where you are at with a cellphone, yada yada yada, it isn't any ONE of those things that is wrong, it's ther ability to eventually tie them all in together that's wrong. I don't want a total surveilled/controlled/command and controlled society, which is exactly where this rfid stuff-and everything else- is heading, and make NO mistake, at some time the government is going to insist by law that you have a complex rfid implanted.

    Totalitarian regimes don't spring up overnight, they take some time and come at you from many diverse areas, and rfid is definetly one of the areas they are going to use. Here is my original thought again

    I am a human, a soverign man, distinct, unique, I am more important than business and government or their convenience. I am NOT their inventory.

    The more they can tie "inventory" and "tracking" and "this is now part of the database" to *everything* you do, the closer we come to US human folks as individual soverign humans to be their "inventory".

    It's a really large general concept that is made up of all the other smaller bits of data, rfid tracking is just one of them, it is not "the" only part, but I would say it's a pretty important part.

    Want to know when it changed in society, where this mindshare paradign to "humans are the inventory, too" shifted? Exactly when we stopped being called "personel" and got turned into "human resources".

    1. Re:it matters because... by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Want to know when it changed in society, where this mindshare paradign to "humans are the inventory, too" shifted? Exactly when we stopped being called "personel" and got turned into "human resources"

      That, and when we switched from "customers" to "consumers".

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  24. Four words: digitally signed MD5 checksum by Kurt+Gray · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not just have one of the RFID data fields be a digitally signed MD5 checksum on the entire record? In-store scanners could verify the encrypted checksum then hackers would need the store's private encryption key to modify the checksum field.

  25. Cheap for home use by abreauj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems the discussion here has been mainly about ripping off the retailer. I think the idea of erasing them after purchase for privacy reasons is far more improtant.

    However, another way to look at it is as a cheap way to get tags to use at home. I've got large collections of CDs, videos, and books in my house, and it's always a real pain in the ass trying to find something I haven't used in a couple years. If I'm getting all these RFID tags for free in the products I buy anyway, and I'm able to erase and rewrite them easily, then perhaps I can remove them from the products and redeploy them into my books, CDs, etc, and then use an RFID reader to more easily find things.

    Sure, it would be a long-term project to get everything tagged and inventoried, but so what? I'd be able to easily find things I'd already tagged, and if I have to search for something that wasn't tagged, it would be easy enough to tag it once I find it.

  26. Re:Your logic is flawed. by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is no reason to put an FRID into the cans going into Drink Machines. They serve no purpose that isn't already covered by tried and true technology.

    They can serve some new purposes, allowing future drink machines to be designed differently.

    RFID-enabled machines can have smaller granularity of product choices. Suppose machines hold 320 drinks. If it's split into 8 columns, you can only put 8 different things in there, limiting marketing opportunities. (Can't have 5 kinds of expensive, rarely purchased fruit drink in addition to the 4 columns of high-volume cola that sells out in a day)

    If it's assured that all cans will carry RFID, then the machine no longer must be build with separate columns for separate drinks. Dozens of different choices can all sit in one big holding area, which the machine searches through to match any customer choice. This increases the ability to load it with a maximally-profitable selection.

  27. Great ... by aggiefalcon01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great. Now a legal, useful, and important use of technology

    He wrote this program to demonstrate how consumers can protect themselves by wiping out RFID data after purchasing a product

    is likely to be outlawed because of fear of abuses. Not unlike P2P. I predict much FUD coming about this technology from the RFID peddlers, as well as cries for Congress/FTC/FCC to "do something about it!"

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