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Broadband Is The Secret To South Korea's Success

An anonymous reader writes "What makes South Korea so special in the world of high-speed Internet access? How can the U.S. and other countries learn from it? What separates South Korea from the rest is a clear agenda and execution process by the government. They wanted to be THE broadband capital of the world so bad, they never swayed from that goal. After the 1997 Asian financial crisis, South Korea was desperate for a savior. The government realized technology was going to restore the country's economic health so the entire country unified to push broadband penetration rates to the extreme."

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  1. Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by MacGoldstein · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But then again, he's also trying to get us to the moon and Mars.

    I think that Americans could benefit from a committee established to promote the complete adoption of a nationwide FTTP network or other such network to connect us at faster rates.

    Having broadband and a video cam, for instance, is no good for me, because my girlfriend has dial-up, thus limiting chat options. I blame lots of this on American capitalism, but perhaps if we get a Democratic congress again, this can be quelled.

    I recently saw a 1.5 Mbps line referred to as "shitty" by a Japanese blogger. In America, that's supposedly pretty fast for a consumer. We need to look to countries like S. Korea for inspiration, stop trying to milk money out of customers by capping uploads and such, and just modernize our damn nation.

    1. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Having broadband and a video cam, for instance, is no good for me, because my girlfriend has dial-up, thus limiting chat options. I blame lots of this on American capitalism, but perhaps if we get a Democratic congress again, this can be quelled.
      Yes, I agree. Let's ensure that we've got nationwide broadband, and let's pay for it by raising taxes - even on the people who couldn't give two hoots about nationwide broadband.

      Personally, I really really want a giant rollercoaster theme park in my town, but we're too small to attract the attention of Big Business. I sure hope the Democrats regain power in this country so that I can have my theme park at your expense.

      Now, I agree that it would be *cool* to have nationwide broadband, and you know what, we're getting there. I pay $50 a month for DSL. $15 of that is for a bogus phone line that came bundled. So basically, I'm paying $35 for high speed internet. Is your girlfriend so broke that she can't cough up $35 a month for broadband? Probably not, I bet the real reason is that she doesn't care about the Internet as much as you do. So would you really force 3rd parties to pay for mandatory broadband through higher taxes merely because it is inconvient for you? If it really bothers you that much, why don't you pay the $35 a month for her Internet access, but leave me out of it!
    2. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I think he means that the capitalists who control broadband see no profit in extending it to rural communities. (And there might not be. The cost of running the lines out there would be more than the market could sustain, even if everyone in the area signed up for it.)

      The point is that it's not subsidized. These subsidies would provide the money to cover the cost of extending it to smaller communities, so that more people could get it. I imagine this is what South Korea did. Granted, they have a lot less area to cover, but I don't think that it would be too hard for the US to have 98% of its people able to have access to a 3Mb connection, so long as the government made a big push for it.

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    3. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by arieswind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      or deposing some dictator such as Milosevic or Saddam

      just what we need, another war to throw hundreds of billions of dollars at. how bout spending money somewhere that needs it.. like our failing school system? the school system where i live is so broke that they had to cut all bussing, after school programs, art, music, sports, and they are restricting the number of classes seniors can take because they have like a 10 million dollar deficit.. i know people (12th grade) who go to school for one class a day and then have to come home because the school will only let them take classes required for graduation

    4. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by DrCash · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Actually, that's a bunch of hogwash! Congress and the President have little to do with the development of the Internet and Broadband (other than the fact that the US Department of Defense (and later Commerce) started the whole thing (sorry, it wasn't Al Gore).

      Development of the internet and the pace at which new developments take place, has more to do with the economy and the US Consumer (yes, that's you and me, not some schmuck in Washington). As much as we're led to believe to the contrary, the government has little control over the economy overall.

      Broadband will take over not because the R or the D in the white house wants it to take over - it will take over because of supply and demand. The more people that want it, the cheaper it will become. Just look at Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi is spreading like wildfire (no pun intended) - mainly because corporations and businesses see the benefits and are willing to pay for it. They also see the fact that by offering free (or even cheap) Wi-Fi in their retail establishments, they will drive customers into the store. Even smaller mom-and-pop restaurants and bars are seeing this, and deploying Wi-Fi in their establishments. The government isn't driving this at all - but they want you to believe they are, because that's how they win elections!

    5. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by Rostin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or instead of cable, they could use radio or BPL (yes, I know, boo, hiss, it messes up the ham radios). My parents live 15 miles from the nearest town and have something resembling broadband speeds through wireless. It isn't nearly as fast as the 2-3 Mbit/s that people in cities get on their cable modems and DSL lines, but it's a heck of a lot better than dialup.

      It's hard for me to understand the real incentive in govt subsidized broadband in the US, anyway. (I am of course open to suggestions.) All my parents do with their high speed connection is look at inane webpages a little faster and play javascript/flash games a little sooner than they did when they just had dialup.

    6. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's about revitalizing rural communities and easing pressures on cities and suburs. Where would you rather live, a 1/4 acre lot with the neighbor's dog barking and traffic whizzing by, or 2 or 3 acres with fewer neighbors. I'd choose the latter, but only if I had broadband, because I need it for my job, to telecommute and transfer files back and forth.

      I guess it's hard for someone to understand if they haven't seen it. If you can, take a trip through the coal region of PA. All these little towns are dying because there is no industry, no hope of a job for anyone. All the young people have moved away. Broadband availability could help to bring companies into these regions (where the cost of living and of land are very, very low). This would bring these communities back to life, getting the people in them off of welfare and other government programs. Eventually, people won't need it. It's like running electricity or paved roads into a town; it's an economic improvement, instead of a handout.

      Contrary to what many 'pundits' think, people want to work and feel useful. Getting government handouts is what most people do to survive, but they don't want to live on it.

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    7. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 5, Insightful
      These subsidies would provide the money to cover the cost ...

      But, just where the hell do you think the money comes from for these subsidies? The government can not give away anything it didn't steal from someone else (i.e., taxpayers), and then only after they filter it through 20 levels of bureaucracy to siphon off 70-90% of it.

      And what would be the point of having 98% penetration of broadband, when so many Americans can't deal with the level of internet they already have? Look at the large number of open relays and proxies in Korea... Much of that comes from ignorance of how to deal with BB that rivals our own. How many of us have a sibling, parent, grandparent, or other relative that thinks that everything on internet is real and true, for whom broadband access would just allow them to screw up quicker?

    8. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by Greedo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But aren't the lesser-educated more prone to hold fundamentalist beliefs (on both sides of the world)?

      So, an argument for education could also be seen as an argument to create more understanding and tolerance ... which would hopefully reduce the need for attacks (on both sides of the world).

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    9. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by Greedo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely. It isn't a short-term solution. But few of today's major problems have viable short-term solutions (education, poverty, the environment, oil, terrorism, etc.).

      Governments in general are short-sighted. Often, they can only see as far as the next election (even less if they are a minority government). And the media doesn't help foster any long-term thinking either, which means that Joe Newswatcher is always going to be pushing for results RIGHT NOW.

      Unfortunately, I don't understand your last point: Frankly, I think more exposure to the internet will help more than anything. If would-be terrorists were to make friends over here, it'd make them think twice. How would broadband-for-all help stop would-be terrorists? Keep in mind (to get back to the education thing) that someone with an evil bent will use the broadband for evil ... so without fostering the proper environment first, you just might be making things worse!

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    10. Re:Bush is Pushing for Broadband too... by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah. Maybe they should bribe the Palestinians with billions of dollars to go live elsewhere or something.

      Rumsfield says the US spends about USD4 billion (3.9) on Iraq a month. 12 months = 36 billion. Spread over 9 million palestinians that's USD4000 per person (man, woman, child). For a family of 4 that's not bad household income actually. Most are probably fed up enough to leave - it's just they have no where to go - let them live in Montana or something.

      That's not including reconstruction costs. The US also spends USD1 billion on Afghanistan a month.

      Sure, some will still go bomb stuff/people, but y'know when your stomach is full, your family is happy and you're enjoying playing with the other kids and stuff, the motivation to strap on a bomb and actually blow yourself up has got be a lot lower. May still spout words of hate, but when it comes down to pushing the button, would you? Give them something to lose and they won't want to lose it.

      Right now, they can't work, they can't travel, can barely live, their friends and leaders are saying hate the Israelis, the Israelis are giving them lots of opportunities to justify the hatred.

      But tanks, guns and soldiers are probably more effective eh? (Personally I think it's as effective as giving a half dose of antibiotics to bacteria.)

      Call me cynical but maybe that's part of the plan - it's all part of setting the stage for something else later on.

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  2. This says it alll by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many US executives and policy makers are quick to dismiss the disparity, noting correctly that South Korea's densely populated areas have made it easier for telecommunications companies to offer extremely fast service to large numbers of people. But even with such geographic and demographic differences, the United States can learn some valuable lessons from South Korea's experience in jump-starting a broadband powerhouse.

    It would be a truly daunting and very expensive task to retro-fit the US with South Korean-like broadbrand. Especially with all the bureaucracy in telecommunications. The point is we should look to them and try to learn from their experiences and mistakes.

    1. Re:This says it alll by skarmor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the key point is that, ".. South Korea's densely populated areas have made it easier for telecommunications companies to offer extremely fast service to large numbers of people."

      It really is a huge problem to provide high-speed access to people living in rural Montanna or in the mountains of Washington state.

      The problem isn't that the bureaucracy is slowing down the development. Rather, the problem is that the revenue that would be earned by installing 8mbit capacity nationwide cannot justify the cost.

    2. Re:This says it alll by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It really is a huge problem to provide high-speed access to people living in rural Montanna or in the mountains of Washington state.

      Only because of the legalized monopolies that we allow in this country. Sadly single companies control entire areas and they don't have any reason to put broadband in if there's no competition.

    3. Re:This says it alll by humphrm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It was an equally daunting task to provide universal phone system coverage to those people in Montana and the mountains of Washington State in the mid-20th century.

      Looking at the revenue from one network drop at a Paradise, WA vs. the cost is the wrong way. That's why the FCC forced the phone company to install one there, and recover it's cost via a fee that was charged to all businesses for phone usage (and I think, probably still is).

      The same thing could be applied here, if the FCC could get its nose out of Howard Stern's butt for a moment and concentrate on what they should be doing, providing universal broadband.

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    4. Re:This says it alll by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Insightful
      1) It's in our national interest to provide as many people with broadband as possible.
      2) Telcos don't see profit in getting broadband into rural areas
      3) Therefore, the government should subsidize broadband for rural communities.

      The only question is if you think statement 1 is true. Personally, I think that if more rural communities had broadband, people would be more willing to move out there for quality of life. I, for example, would love to build a home out in the country, but only if I get broadband. Without that, there's no way for me to telecommute.

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    5. Re:This says it alll by mike_mgo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The same thing could be applied here, if the FCC could get its nose out of Howard Stern's butt for a moment and concentrate on what they should be doing, providing universal broadband.

      Why should this be something that the FCC should be doing? I can understand that universal phone service can be justified by access to emergancy services in even the most isolated communities. What comparable requirement does having broadband access serve that can't already be met by dial-up?

      Just skimming through the article, the main benefits touted were online gaming and video on demand. Online tutoring was also mentioned (though I don't see why broadband is required for this), but all of the economic boon was from the gaming and video (and the supporting equipment necessary). So their online gaming market is great, but should it really be governemnt policy to get Americans to spend twice as much on online gaming as they do now?

  3. A couple of factors are important here... by Eddy+Da+KillaBee · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Many US executives and policy makers are quick to dismiss the disparity, noting correctly that South Korea's densely populated areas have made it easier for telecommunications companies to offer extremely fast service to large numbers of people.

    I think that the fact that South Korea is smaller in size than the US gives it an advantage of reaching that goal of theirs... On top of that, they might not have a bunch of communications giants (Cox Communications, Charter Communications, AOL-Time Warner, Sprint (DSL), Verizon (DSL) and Aldelphia, to name a few) fighting for customers left and right. When you have a fairly large country in size with a ton of providers offering different types of services at different prices it's harder to achieve a goal like "Broadband for Everyone".
    1. Re:A couple of factors are important here... by RealityProphet · · Score: 4, Insightful
      On top of that, they might not have a bunch of communications giants (Cox Communications, Charter Communications, AOL-Time Warner, Sprint (DSL), Verizon (DSL) and Aldelphia, to name a few) fighting for customers left and right. When you have a fairly large country in size with a ton of providers offering different types of services at different prices it's harder to achieve a goal like "Broadband for Everyone".

      No. Having a bunch of providers is exactly what will spur higher bandwidths and lower prices. It is called the free market system.

    2. Re:A couple of factors are important here... by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "Canada is only one tenth the population of the US,"

      ... which would mean something if Canada's population distribution was anything like the US. It isn't. While the US seems to have one of the most homogeneous population distributions on the globe, the vast majority of Canadians live within 200 km or so of the US border (try naming a major Canadian city that isn't) and then tend to clump around urban centers. You can play connect-the-dots with Edmonton, Red Deer and Calgary over in Alberta, while major US cities like Chicago and Houston are a little tough to pick out if you don't know where to look.

      One line 10 km long is cheaper to deploy than ten lines 1 km long.

  4. Put Wal-Mart on it... by solive1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wal-Mart would turn the broadband industry upside down. They'd do it cheaper than the others, and more "common" people in America would flock to the Wal-Mart name because of brand recognition. This alone would force the broadband companies to innovate.

    This could also be applied to the cell phone industry.

  5. Government, Government, Government - NOT by WaxParadigm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm all for broadband, but I don't see the wisdom in doing it through government any more than I see wisdom in having the government provide food, shelter, charity, religion, education, employment, health care, etc. It might sound like a nice eutopia, but it's not sustainable without the competition introduced by a free and open market. The best example is our food. Food is THE necessity, even more than health care, etc. If the government provided it there would be little selection, less supply, and less quality.

    You might look to the government to (at the threat of inprisonment) take money from everyone else to pay for what you want or need, but I'd rather people have the option to pay for what they want and help others in the way they see most fit. Most sane/intelligent people see the former as theft, but it's obvious that some view it as a way of life.

  6. De-Regulate and get out of businesses way by dougnaka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's what government can do to improve broadband adoption. Stop trying to regulate businesses, and don't have any "initiatives". Let the free market take us where we want to go. I don't think that long run any of our problems will be solved by government, especially broadband adoption. Sure the government can make us pay more for broadband while we think we're paying less, since 30% income tax, tax on food,clothes,medicine,cars,travel are all acceptable, but $75/month for broadband is outrageous. Please, give me 5-10% flat tax and I'll be happy to pay more for market delivered goods, oh and give to charity and the needy.

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  7. Re:I thought.. by provolt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's really quite simple.

    Government involvement is good when it does things that I want. It's bad when it does things I don't want.

    Government should protect my rights. Government should protect my right to infringe on your rights.

    Government should take your money to implement my agenda. Government shouldn't take my money to implement your agenda.

    Just follow these simple rules and "the slashdot position on government" is easy to understand.

  8. Korean. by VC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Everyone in korea speaks korean.

    2. Noone else speaks korean.

    3. Koreans are mainly interested in korean websites.

    Ergo, when they pay $5 USD a month for 4mb internet accesss, the ISP is betting on the fact that they wont hardly have to pay for any international traffic.

  9. Smackdown for a Thirsday by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Having broadband and a video cam, for instance, is no good for me, because my girlfriend has dial-up, thus limiting chat options. I blame lots of this on American capitalism, but perhaps if we get a Democratic congress again, this can be quelled.

    If this is what passes for critical thinking these days, then I HOPE Bush gets us to the Moon, because that's where I want to live. And I'm not sure a quarter million miles of vacuum is enough to insulate such exotoxic bumblethink.

    So tell your bitch to step up to the plate and buy some broadband access. Why should my taxes support you and your bint's video masturbation sessions?

    I recently saw a 1.5 Mbps line referred to as "shitty" by a Japanese blogger.

    I once read a blog where a grown man admitted to liking Britney Spears' music. You can find many strange and grotesque things in blogs.

    So what was the context? Was he comparing it to his connection at work? Was he exaggerating the difference between 1.5Mbps and 3.0Mbps? You can't just toss out an isolated quips without context. Who are you? Michael Moore?

    In America, that's supposedly pretty fast for a consumer. We need to look to countries like S. Korea for inspiration, stop trying to milk money out of customers by capping uploads and such, and just modernize our damn nation.

    Yeah, the birthplace of the Internet is really existing in such a primitive state, isn't it, just because it's failing to meet some arbitrary metic you have a persoanl boner for? Why I was telling the local serfs the other day as we were out collecting filth for the solstice festival (with human sacrifice) just how backward our sad but proud nation was compared to the glory of the all them Other Lands. Then some Visigoths showed up and the conversation moved to other topics.

    The real problem, if it *is* a problem, is that many people don't give a tinker's cuss about broadband into their home. I know many professional people, quite a few in the high tech fields, who don't really care about multi-megabit home access. Most went for the lowest tier of cable and DSL primarily to free up the phone line.

    I know the ideo-filtration in your brain can never accept this, but it's capitalism that allows you to live your comfortable little life of video-conferenced skanks and happy Slashdot access.

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    1. Re:Smackdown for a Thirsday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Bumblethink" is exactly correct, Mr. HarveyBirdman, as in your bumblethink. "Capitalism" is what has brought us such wonders as Enron, M$, SCO, etc. as the list goes on...As for the internet, thank God that TCP/IP is basically public domain and not "owned" by something like M$ or SCO or some other evil capitalist organization. And your depiction of Korea as a "primitive place?" ROTFL. I've lived in Korea (and Japan, etc.) and also had the misfortune to visit the USA. At least in those "primitive states", I didn't have to worry about some idiot pulling out a gun, with or without provocation, training, etc. And people wonder why Americans are considered arrogant, ignorant, etc. Americans would do well to keep their mouths closed, their ears and eyes open, and travel more, rather than blustering about in their usual arrogant, gun-at-the-hip, ego-mode-engaged blunderings.

  10. oh please... stop the anti-government horseshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    the parent poster is a 'libertarian' nut who hasn't recognized that companies almost never do high-risk investments -- building a huge phone network is very very high risk, so high that only governments typically do it. In the US, because we are so afraid of government ownership, we have government pay for it (bonds, raise taxes, etc.) and then give the asset away to a company to monopolize it. Of course, when the monopoly we create starts to behave badly, we then must regulate it.

    The real solution is to recognize when government ownership is appropriate; hint: when it is a pure monopoly, usually distribution channels, but not content or manufacturing. And then open the channels up for fierce competition without regulation; the best will rise to the top. The problem with corporate ownership of infrastructure is that they have a vested interest _not_ to allow a competitive marketplace for services (if they can dictate content, they will).

    All you libertarians should seriously ask yourself when a government _is_ needed and when it isn't. Quit taking the position that government is never needed. In this case, since the cost/risk is so high and since lots of property rights must be negotiated, it is best done by government.

  11. Pushing for tarred roads too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is it the fault of "American Capitalism" that your neighbour has a no road to thier farm? Because somebody hasn't given her tarmac for free? I consider myself liberal, but really, isn't it going a bit far to expect your government to build you your damn roads?

    Because state investment in infrastructure benefits everyone, sometime even in simple dollar terms. Even when large companies cannot make a profit from it.

    1. Re: Pushing for tarred roads too... by nojomofo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess that you place the dividing line between luxury and necessity in a different place than I do. I agree that roads, phone service, and similar utilities these days qualify as necessities. I just don't see that broadband does. Why is it actually necessary to have a connection faster than 56k?

      And I'm not going to buy the "so I can telecommute" argument. Many people have jobs that don't allow for telecommuting, and those who do have the option of living in populated areas with broadband available. These are lifestyle choices as far as I'm concerned, not matters that require government intervention.

  12. Re:I thought.. by Bull999999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's funny because it's true -Homer Simpson

    The slashdot position on government is same as the position on mass media, which is "Don't trust the mass media unless it has an article that I agree with. In that case, trust the media".

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  13. Re:Bureaucracy and Planning vs. Capitalism by skarmor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    +1 Insightful

    I tend to agree with you - but I'm not sure how successful this would be in practice. What happens if you invest in the broadband lines and the promised resultant economic boom never comes?

    The Keynesian economic model suggests that putting people to work building projects that will stimulate economic growth is a good idea. However there have been many cases where the promised benefit never came while the corrupt contractors who are hired to do the work bleed society dry.

    (I'm thinking Boston's Big Dig, the construction of large domed stadiums, those "urban renewal" design communities that have faded into new ghettos...)

  14. Smackdown for a Thursday, Part Deux by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1, Insightful
    "Bumblethink" is exactly correct, Mr. HarveyBirdman, as in your bumblethink. "Capitalism" is what has brought us such wonders as Enron, M$, SCO, etc. as the list goes on...

    Blah, blah, blah, Cleetus. I could list the dirty laundry of whatever system that makes you cream in your jeans. It's pointless, and the activity of empty-headed ideologues with no substance.

    As for the internet, thank God that TCP/IP is basically public domain and not "owned" by something like M$ or SCO or some other evil capitalist organization.

    *sigh* Another prissy fool who has no concept of what real evil is. Is it any wonder I want to move to the Moon. This is most of humanity, folks. If not now then in a very few years. Little singularities of monochromatic politics with worldviews composed entirely of lies and mythology. Go see I, Robot and replace the robots with people. That's the future.

    And your depiction of Korea as a "primitive place?" ROTFL.

    Uh, no. I never called Korea a primitve place, you illiterate dumbass from the Fifth Circle Of Hell. If you're going to blast a load of ideological diarrhea over what I said, at least make it something I really said, toots. I impled that the original poster was calling the USA primitve because we needed to "modernize our nation", and then I had some fun with it. DO try to keep up with the key changes, Pogo.

    I've lived in Korea (and Japan, etc.)and also had the misfortune to visit the USA. At least in those "primitive states", I didn't have to worry about some idiot pulling out a gun, with or without provocation, training, etc.

    *snore* So stay away. We already have our fair share of stupid, ignorant ideological mental pygmies without you adding to their inane blather. But I guess that's the beauty of the internet, eh? You can take your mentally vacuous shit into the public discourse from anywhere in the world. I hope you remembered to wipe.

    Of course crime rates in South Korea and Japan have been rising for years, but, hey, who cares about facts in the mythological tapestry you call your perception of reality?

    And people wonder why Americans are considered arrogant, ignorant, etc. Americans would do well to keep their mouths closed, their ears and eyes open, and travel more, rather than blustering about in their usual arrogant, gun-at-the-hip, ego-mode-engaged blunderings.

    And here comes the bigotry and stereotyping. Typical. Sad. OK, here's another stereotype. Maybe we don't travel much because all we find out there is a lot of hypocritical, holier-than-thou uber-assholes living in homes of shattered glass who can't recognize prime bullshit when it's dropped in a steaming pile directly on their heads.

    I leave you with the words of a great American, Mark Twain:

    "Sir, you are a complte and utter dumbass of the lowest order. If you cared one whit about the destiny of the free nations of the planet Earth, you would do well to immediately log off your electro-computing device, make a quick and efficient trip to your kitchen, grab your sharpest cutting implement, and proceed to slit both wrists so that your life juices may fall to the floor and thus extinguish your useless existence, and save the public at large some small but measureable amount of blithering madness."

    Well, I'm paraphrasing heavily ;-) It was from the original author's note to Huck Finn. Wait... maybe it was Piers Anthony in his 207th Xanth novel. Hmmm...

    OK, I'm done with you.

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  15. Re:It's not the federal government's job by arieswind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if a government can not even educate their youth, then they have no right to tell other countries and governments how to run their countries