SCO Playing Name Games
Ghost in the Shell Game writes "We've long known that SCO has had a twisted view of UNIX history, sometimes pretending to be oldSCO when it suits them, and a separate business entity when it does not. However, according to this piece on Groklaw, they're now registering the UNIX System Laboratories trademark in what looks like an attempt to confuse history further. If you're wondering how they can do this, the USL trademark was abandoned in 1993, when USL was bought out by Novell. Hopefully, no one will be fooled by this name game, any more than we were when the spyware maker Gator changed their name to Claria."
I should register "Osbourne Computer" or "Altair" or something equally cool, geeky and dead.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Darl McBride has whined himself back into the early stages of childhood. Film at eleven.
... Your lawsuit is against SCO. But we're UNIX System Labratories.
I think the name game is more closely related to the original Napster vs the current Napster then the Claria/Gator bs.
Not everything is analogous to cars. Car analogies rarely work.
How about Philip Morris changing its name to Altria, and then running "cigs are bad" ads using the name Philip Morris?
It's a blatant attempt to prepare for reopening the BSD settlement. Just before their IBM/Novel souts fold, they will announce ownership of BSD and all BSD-related code (TCP/IP stack, anyone?).
Won't matter, though; stock has lost its $5 support, and it's only a matter of time before the shutters close on them.
Hey, this is not bad news at all... Unix System Laboratories is just an anagram for Tux Sorority Amiableness. So now it's both Linux friendly, but more importantly, friendly to friendly Linux co-eds!
Well, that and Examinable? It's Sorry! Oust!
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
Claria Explains It All.
Somehow missed that one, myself (posted on a Saturday - that's why). I was wondering why I hadn't seen gator around much on the office ad-aware scans. Now claria, that's a name i've been seeing. don't think i like it any more.
SCO is just coming to terms with exactly how much they are hated and trying to change horses in mid-stream. But it won't work. Subpeanas are still PITAs and it doesn't matter whose name is on the letterhead of the C&D.
If the author had read the entire Groklaw article, toward the bottom she says:
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UPDATE: I missed something. This next one was registered in 1993 and cancelled in 2000. Here it is:
Owner - (REGISTRANT) UNIX SYSTEM LABORATORIES, INC. CORPORATION DELAWARE 190 River Road Summit NEW JERSEY 07901
So it wasn't abandoned in 1993, it expired perhaps in 2000. Big difference.
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We are now the nights who say, "Iki iki iki p'tang ZOOP boing"!
The best way to derail SCO's attempt to register "Unix System Laboratories" (a trademark they're not currently using) would be for someone to demonstrate that they're already using that mark in trade. Of course X/Open, the owners of the UNIX® trademark, also ought to have something to say about it.
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How long is it going to be before the SCO backers lose interest and drop them? All they have been doing lately is pumping out lawsuits in hopes that they'll win. They haven't produced anything of worth to the world lately. Dump them. It's pointless for SCO to continue. So, why back a pointless corporation?
As Nassim Taleb points out in his great book "Fooled by radnomness" most of shortterm market movement is nothing but noise. Dont make the mistake and take it serioulsy.
An astute poster has noticed SCO cannot use UNIX System Laboratories without the expressed consent of the Open Group. Apparently it has not yet received such permission. Shot down in about a day, what a resource!
Who wouldn't pay the licensing fee to Santa?
Pay me $699 for the children.
If you're trying to understand why a stock is moving you must look at both the price *and* the volume. Like many small cap stocks SCOX trades in low volume and the price can fluctuate without a great deal of significance.
When hard news affecting the stock emerges you usually see higher volume trading and the price hardens. SCOX had held on to a $5 support level for some time but has now fallen to the next support level, $4. Someone, somewhere, is happy to buy SCOX at $4 but no more.
They can change UNIXWare to BOB, and OpenServer to NewtonOS.
Then they can change all their employee's first names to John, ala Buckaroo Bonzai. Darl kind of reminds me of Lord John Whorfin. "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!"
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Here SCO attacks open source as dangerously liable to include proprietary code, yet here they are with just about every new improvement to their product IS an open source project! Lets see, it now comes with:
* Mozilla Web browser 1.6 adds new features including tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, and PDF support
* Squid Web Proxy Cache 2.5STABLE5 with expanded authentication schemes, optimizes searching, SSL gatewaying, and more
* Perl 5.8.4
* Apache HTTP Server 1.3.31
* OpenSSH 3.8p1
* BIND 8.4.4
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
I suspect SCO (originally Caldera) wants to find a new name since they've destroyed any vestiges of goodwill attached to the name SCO. They'll probably wait until after the lawsuits, quietly change names and then seek a buyer for whatever is left of their business. They might even bring in new management chosen especially for their ability to convincingly express dismay with the sins of their predecessors.
===== Murphy's Law is recursive. =====
In preparation for selling they might want to rebrand their Unix business from "SCO UnixWare" to something without the SCO name. "Unix Systems Laboratories" would do just fine.
...does this mean I need to start over again with the "Litigious bastards" thing?
Hack your mind out of its sandbox.
Either way, it's probably not getting back into major league baseball.
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Including the trademark "UNIX" which doesn't belong to them as part of a new trademark doesn't work. If it did, I'd register "Slashdot Toilet Paper" and "Coca-Cola Tampons" immediately. How about "Chevrolet Mouthwash" or "United Airlines Hemorrhoid Cream". Gee this is fun...
I live in the wrong country so I don't think that I can do it. Someone like Red Hat would do nicely (especially if the The Open Group group pitched in).
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"Iki iki iki p'tang ZOOP boing"! right (I'm guessing it's right)
and misspell Knights as nights?
Did you cut and paste this from somehwere (if so where?)
Or did you do it from memory?
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From The Open Group's Website:
This seems like a pretty blatant abuse of a trademark owned by someone else. I'm guessing that if they ever made good on their "intent to use" this designation they would be served by TOG in about 15 minutes, backed by the $5 PayPal donations of every geek on the planet Earth.
adam b.
AT&T Bell Laboratories was taken.
Philip Morris -> Altria
We're all supposed to think "altruism" and forget about their habit of peddling cancer sticks to young people.
Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
Is there any reason at all to allow corporations to change their names?
We have a whole body of law -- trademark law -- to prevent companies from confusing customers by imitating other companies. Why do we allow them to confuse customers by pretending not to be themselves?
In recent memory, I can think of this one, the Gator to Claria switch, and Phillip Morris to Altria Group switch. Every one of them is a blatant attempt to shed bad PR and start fresh. But they EARNED the bad PR! Why can they legally drop a PR debt more easily than they can drop a financial debt?
At the very least, why doesn't the FTC review all name changes and reject ones that appear to be motivated by negative PR?
Someone earlier on another thread suggested that this move might be a prelude to their bringing the war to the BSDs (Free, Net, and Open). If Baystar manages to wring their $20 million out of SCO, then it's hard to see how SCO is going to get the cash they need to continue the fight. They may be able to re-register USL, but won't be able to do much with it. Any judge worth his/her salt is going to see that this is a different USL that had nothing to do with the old USL. All of this is of course *before* IBM (and anyone else interested) turns around and incinerates them in countersuits.
Microsoft can't touch dat!
Is that UNIX Systems Laboratories or Un-Savory Lawyers?
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As I recall, the much debated Asset Purchase Agreement between Novell and OldSCO specified something to the effect of only including copyrights and trademarks that were "necessary" for the unix business that oldSCO bought from Novell.
Is SCO now planning to claim that they "need" the copyrights to go with the "Unix System Labs" trademark in some bizarre argument?
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oh no you dont, Darl
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From 4.1 Combination of Trademarks in Product Names
"Licensees may combine the UNIX Trademark with their own trademarks as a product name, provided they seek prior approval by submitting the proposed combination including a sketch of the proposed use. If approporate, to X/Open Company. X/Open Company may ask to review a proof of the final artwork."
"Licensees may use the UNIX Trademark as part of the proper name of a product."
"The License specifically prohibits Licensees of any Trademarks from registering with the relevant trademark authorities specific forms of the Trademarks including Trademarks used in combination."
When we all get RFID tags at birth then you can label them what they are - "Death"
When you buy your first pack you get "Death 40's" (Because they are smooth and oh so sexy!) Then after your birthday you walk into the store and -
"Gas, um, this Mt Dew, and a snickers and gimme that pack of Methol Death, what assholes, naming it that. My Mom said they used to have real names."
"Yeah, I kinda miss Joe and his coupons in the pack. Here ya go buddy, want that on your...?"
"Visa Uranium"
"Ok, it will bill you..."
"Yeah, I know when I hit the door."
....a few minutes pass...
"Hey um, when I was in here I asked for Death 40's - these are 39's."
"Yeah, your birthday was last year right?"
"Yeah, but..."
"No, you got the right pack, the paper display checks your Imclone RFID"
...
"Oh"
Sera
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They own UNIX, they might as well own every trademark containing "UNIX".
There is nothing wrong with what SCO is doing here.
Why is this a story?