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Remote-controlled Bolts and Screws

Winter writes "SMT Magazine has an article on intelligent fasteners (screws, bolts...) that can fasten themselves or by remote control. Usage for this seems mainly to make sure normal people cannot change parts in their car themselves, and only allow for authorized parts and service. Of course, a hacker might also have fun and disassemble the neighbours car."

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  1. Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always wanted a universal tool that could work like the Sonic Screwdriver from Dr. Who!

  2. I've had this forever by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hey server monkey, come tighten these screws!"

  3. Too much tech in cars already by slusich · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's already way too much tech in our cars already. I love technology, but there are some places where it should be kept to a minimum. I long for the days when you could work on your own car with a decent socket set and a few wrenches.

    1. Re:Too much tech in cars already by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 4, Funny
      Auto service writer: "Mr Jones, there's a $50 charge for the firmware upgrade for the bolts in your new Toyubishi. But if you don't get it, your nuts might fall off."

      Car owner: "You leave my nuts alone!"

    2. Re:Too much tech in cars already by Nagatzhul · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now you know why a lot of people enjoy motorcycles. We get to work on our own rides while keeping things as simple as we want to. I am sure that there are segments of the car driving population that still adhere to this. The Manx or buggy folks, perhaps? Older 4X4s as well?

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    3. Re:Too much tech in cars already by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now if you guys could just invent a muffler that didn't make it sound like a jet engine on takeoff, you just might find that other people like motorcycles, too.

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    4. Re:Too much tech in cars already by Nagatzhul · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It isn't that..... Most non-HD mufflers come under 100dBs (which is a poor way to measure sound intensity, but that is another discussion). The Harley folks make them loud on purpose so you can hear them coming. Since those of you driving SUVs and talking while you are driving aren't paying much attention, can you really blame them? They can't dodge you like those who ride sport bikes can.

      I'm only being half sarcastic here. If there was demand for it, you could make them almost absolutely silent. The technology already exists, but when it was introduced a few years ago, the rider portion of the show boycotted the booth. They felt that being silent would make them invisible and thus even more ignored on the freeways.

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    5. Re:Too much tech in cars already by TYC · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The Harley folks make them loud on purpose so you can hear them coming.

      I've had Harley riders insist that this is the reason why they have to have the "Look at me! I'm an attention whore!" straight pipes while cruising in residential neighborhoods; yet even while watching them come and listening for them, I never hear them from very far away. You can always hear them as they roar by, and as they rumble off, though. I think the whole "hear them coming" excuse is a crock.

      One of these same Harley riders insisted, during the very same conversation when I asked him about the mental rider fatigue all that extra noise must put him through, that he never hears his own pipes while cruising. "Hmm..." I asked him, "How can you hear them coming if you can't even hear them from 3 feet away?" "The wind carries the sound away before it gets to my ears" was the answer.

      They felt that being silent would make them invisible and thus even more ignored on the freeways.

      I've found that quiet bikes are much easier to stay alert on, especially in routine rides such as to work and back, and also as the miles add up on long road trips, and that's a far bigger safety factor in this world of sound-insulated luxury cars and SUVs. Most anyone with their windows up won't hear you anyway, unless you're riding with a half dozen others with straight pipes.

      I don't bitch about straight pipe riders much, but I don't have a positive opinion of them, either.

      They can't dodge you like those who ride sport bikes can.

      They can if they're alert, competent riders.

    6. Re:Too much tech in cars already by severoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Amen. I don't think I've heard anyone complain that they can't flush their own coolant anymore since cars went to 100k mile closed coolant systems. I used to be able to do it...and I used to HAVE to do it. Now I don't keep cars long enough to ever have to do it. That's alright by me.

      I would point out, though, that intelligent fasteners are not likely to make anything that is currently operable last longer...imagine if this were applied to the oil pan plug and oil filter. Do I have to take my car to the dealer and pay $80 for a $5 filter and 4 quarts of oil? That would totally piss me off, but I trust the free market to fix it...or the government.

      (Just kidding about that last one.)

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  4. Bring 'em on by Fux+the+Penguin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been interested in these devices for a while now. As a design engineer, I don't see much how these new intelligent fasteners will differ much from today's dumb fasteners. Since they are mechanical fasteners, the joint strength considerations remain the same. All fasteners still have to transfer a force, and the concepts of tension, shear, and clamp load don't change with the addition of an embedded system. I suppose that any joint strength you can achieve with a traditional fastener, you can achieve with an intelligent fastener.

    There will be differences, of course. On the plus side, they promise to provide additional design freedom. Tool access and assembly sequences often dictate the fastener locations as much as joint strength does. Now you can put a joint anywhere you want because of the built-in actuation, which can also eliminate some of the tolerance or orientation issues associated with assembly tools. Cross threading could be a thing of the past.

    They also shouldn't present any packaging difficulties, despite their onboard electronics. These fasteners tap into a product's existing wiring and electronics. Digital commands take up far less space than a physical tool. I think that smart fasteners can attain much smaller sizes than conventional mechanical fasteners--in part because they overcome traditional spacing constraints and in part because smart materials will allow them to be smaller, perhaps even down to the nanotechnology scale. Cool stuff indeed.

  5. Well by mfh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course, a hacker might also have fun and disassemble the neighbours car...

    While it's moving, no less. Yet another brainless idea from the money-men.

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  6. Obligatory Clippy Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I see you are trying to install a screw. Would you like to install a screwdriver?"

  7. Stupid idea by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Jeez... This is ridiculous!

    So... This is just another scheme so that they can sell you a part to actually work on your car. Or even worse, make you go to the dealer *shudder*.. I can see it now...

    "Well sir, the bolts to your air filter are remote controlled... You need this $300 remote to take the cover off and replace the filter"

    What's next, the same tool to be able to take the gas cap off, because that too is locked down? Only this time they sell it as a dealer add-on rather than a part?

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  8. Government by TheSexican · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the government gets their hands on these, then we're all screwed!

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  9. What we really need by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure remote-controlled fasteners for cars and such is really nifty...

    But wake me up when they get remote-controlled brassiers. You will know its true love when she trusts you with the remote...

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  10. New way to lock out mechanics by mikeswi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just when Congress appears ready to force auto makers to stop locking nondealer mechanics out of the car's diagnostic computer, they come up with a way to lock them out of changing parts. If they prove to be resistant to the average screwdriver or wrench, we'll know for sure what's up.

    Microchips embedded in fasteners respond only to encrypted signals, restricting access to service procedures. These procedures would be stored in fastener control software, ensuring installation of authorized replacement parts. A central database would retain information on fastener status and maintenance history. All data would be accessible instantly to document warranty claims.
  11. Re:Bring 'em on (no thanks) by nyrk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happens a few years around the road when a little corosion sets in, and the little motor attached to the screw can no longer back it out. If you took advantage of the fact that it does not need access how do you remove it when the mechanism fails? I work on my vehicles, and often have to use a cheater bar to gain leverage on stubborn bolt. You would have to throw away the whole car, Starting to sound like "Brave New World"

  12. Hollywood must have these by steveha · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hollywood must have these because they have already appeared in the movie Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle. At the beginning of the movie, the Lucy Liu character is hidden inside a crate, but then we see wood screws spinning by themselves and popping out of their holes. Then Lucy Liu unfolds herself and climbs out.

    I always wondered how she got those screws to come out, especially given that her hands were folded to the bottom of the crate and the screws were on the top. Now I know.

    steveha

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    1. Re:Hollywood must have these by nytes · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just got an idea: I'm going to start using these kinds of fasteners to make women's clothing.

      Then sell the "auto-unzip" codes to geeks. I'll be rich!

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  13. Gonna be great for pit crews... by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has got to be worth a second or two off pit stop times. All the pit crew has to do is tell the bolts to undo themselves as the car comes to a halt and they can proceed directly to changing the tyres. Of course, there are probably going to be a few amusing incidents when they trigger the release too soon as well... :)

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  14. Re:Obligatory Clippy Joke by franksp · · Score: 4, Funny
    Or better yet:

    System: "Your screwdriver screwdriver successfully installed the new Phillips 00 screw number 128696. Your car may not function correctly until you restart it."

    User: WTF! The breakes aren't working!!! AAARRRGH!!

  15. They'd be great on PCs too by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'd see when people had voided their warranties or even prevent unauthorized (by Microsoft of course) people opening PCs so as to switch to a non DRM-enabling BIOS.

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  16. Speaking of screwing that ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... The potential for these in kinky sex toy designs is astounding.

    I imagine the B&D crowd is panting at the very though. (But then they usually are...)

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  17. Could have some interesting uses by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article cites labor costs as the main impetus for creating these self-fastening fasteners, but I think it's much more interesting to consider new applications.

    One thing about nuts and bolts is that in order to use them, you have to place them where you have access and enough clearance to be able to attach a tool. You couldn't use nuts and bolts to fasten two blocks together, for example, unless you have holes extending through at least one of the blocks. With these things, you can bolt two blocks together with no obvious access points, and you can unbolt them at any time.

    The benefits of totally blind fastening aren't completely obvious because we've worked out other solutions to the problem. Basically, we either weld things together, or we use some sort of snap-fit system, or we leave access holes if we might need to reverse the attachment. But I expect there will be some interesting applications for these things in the future.

  18. You have got to be fu*king kidding... by Mnemennth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... remember that feeling you got when the legs sprouted out of that guy's head in John Carpenter's "The Thing" ?
    That's the feeling I get when I hear about something as stupid as this... I mean, I guess it's the illogical evolution of the entire "tamper-resistant" fastener craze of the modern automotive industry, but as a professional mechanic for almost 20 years, I know from experience that fasteners with funny heads on them do not deter the fools and thieves out there from trying to take things apart - they only serve to provoke them into doing much more damage than they would have done had you simply used a normal bolt.

    It's just bulls#it, plain & simple.

    Mnem
    It's impossible to make anything foolproof - the fools are too damned inventive."

  19. Re:The short version being... by severoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Loud Pipes Save Lives
    This is indisputably true. That's why, because I don't happen to own a bike, I have a 220dB air horn installed on the roof of my 1986 Escort. I had to have special glass and insulation installed in the car, and I still need earplugs when I drive it (because I leave it blaring constantly whenever the car is running), but there's no danger of running over a kid!

    This "You can hear 'em coming" argument is the most arrogant, self-centered, thoughtless, and logically inconsistent argument I've ever heard. As if it's my responsibility as a pedestrian to dodge motorized vehicles, and not theirs to make sure they conduct themselves in a way that leaves me unharmed and with comfortably non-ringing ears.

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  20. Realistically... by trainsnpep · · Score: 3, Informative
    That isn't amazingly useful. Think back to your Physics class...Torque? Torque is cheap (when you have a big pole). You couldn't use it for anything significant to the operation of a car since most of the bolts there need to be torqued, usually to something more than 30+ ft/lbs. Big things are sometimes torqued to 500+ft/lbs. Lets work with 30ft/lbs.

    Assuming the head of this thing has a whopping 1" radius from the center of the bolt, that's 360 lbs of force the fastner needs to apply. And the largest volume that this fastener will take up? 3.14 in^3? 6.28?

    These screws will only be useful for detailing unless they can tap power magically from anywhere they want.

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