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Memory Card Torture Tests

saikatguha266 writes "BBC is reporting that five types of memory cards were dipped into cola, put through a washing machine, dunked in coffee, trampled by a skateboard, run over by a child's toy car, given to a six-year-old boy to destroy, smashed by a sledgehammer and nailed to a tree. It was still possible to retrieve photos from the xD and Smartmedia cards while the others didn't survive just the last two tests. "

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  1. Miss the old green slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

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  2. Talk about real life experiments... by Nplugd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    right, coz it happens to me all the time, to nail a memory card on a tree by accident...

    Note that I did had a PS2 memory card go to the washing machine, and it worked like a charm afterwards. Thank God, I was not going to start FF7 all over again :)

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    1. Re:Talk about real life experiments... by b374 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      why didn't they try to expose them to high radiation levels... high / low temperatures... magnetic fields... more real life situations.

    2. Re:Talk about real life experiments... by sparcnut · · Score: 3, Informative
      magnetic fields
      Exactly how is a magnetic field going to damage a memory card (short of some huge magnet that just crushes the package)? They're not disk-based, they're just static RAM.
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    3. Re:Talk about real life experiments... by the+chao+goes+mu · · Score: 5, Funny

      If your real life involves high radiation levels on a regular basis, you should think about making some changes in your lifestyle.

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    4. Re:Talk about real life experiments... by imsabbel · · Score: 4, Informative

      no idea, perhaps the floating gate of the flash cell is affected (shifting bandgap,ect), and a read will accidently write ?
      ok, you would need a few tesla, but the point is that if you have moving electrons, you cant just say magnetic field cant do anything...

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    5. Re:Talk about real life experiments... by hansiboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think he meant airport X-Ray scanners and the like...

    6. Re:Talk about real life experiments... by gnuman99 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Exactly how is a magnetic field going to damage a memory card (short of some huge magnet that just crushes the package)? They're not disk-based, they're just static RAM.

      When you move though a magnetic field, that induces a voltage which could mess up the memory card. That is, don't bring your camera to a MRI machine (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance describes it better but people freaked out about the word "Nuclear"!)

      It is not the magnetic field that does the damage. It is always the rate of change of the magnetic field that is the problem (its gradient). This is how power plants make the electrons flow from the wall socket :)

    7. Re:Talk about real life experiments... by sploxx · · Score: 4, Informative
      ACK, and as the parent poster says, it's flash, not RAM. Non volatile flash memory consists of this:
      |electrode 1|
      \-----------/

      [ Insulator ]

      ==Floating ==
      ==== gate ===

      [ Insulator ]

      /-----------\
      |electrode 2|
      It's the floating gate that may hold a charge which is interpreted as a single "1" (or 0, depends how you define it) bit of the flash.
      So... as you can see, with a strong enough electric field, you may surely be able to move the charge across the barriers (e.g. break-through of the insulation or maybe tunneling of the electrons when you skew the potentials alot).

      Now the magnetic thing:
      Because the electrons in the floating gate move (they must do that in every case because of quantum uncertainty, but the greater effect here is the temperature movement!), they have a speed and as you may know, moving electric charges in magnetic fields feel the lorentz force... BUT this force does not change the energy of the particles, i.e. they do not get faster when one applies a magnetic field. So, yes, maybe there're weird changes in the bandgap. I don't know. Try it out, would be a nice experiment.

      Post a link to a graph here that shows the total number bit errors over magnetic field strength :)

      Static RAM mainly consists of two MOS inverter structures wired together on the chip to form a flip-flop. Static RAM needs a small bit of current (because of inevitable leakage currents) to keep it's state.

      At least, that's how I read it some time ago for a seminar in the semiconductor book from the creator of these devices (S.M. Sze).
  3. Hmm by sparcnut · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds like these memory cards are about ready for use in the real world now that they've passed durability testing. Oh wait...

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  4. real lifesaver... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Most of them did fail to get through two additional tests - being smashed by a sledgehammer and being nailed to a tree."

    The number of times i've accidently nailed my high-tech electronics to a tree... anything that survives that most common of IT mishaps will be a real lifesaver.

  5. Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    At last, indestructible storage for my p0rn!!

    1. Re:Cool! by b374 · · Score: 5, Funny
      At last, indestructible storage for my p0rn!!
      hmm... considering these are used mostly in digital cameras... is that your homebrew porn???
  6. Re:Of course they don't break when you want them t by H8X55 · · Score: 4, Funny

    no no no no. That was just your camera trying to honor the old 'what happens in vegas, stays in vegas' rule.

  7. Are they really representative by lachlan76 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although this only really applies to the nailed-to-a-tree test, where the nail goes through will matter. In DIL ICs, most of the area is taken up by connections to the pins. If these cards have the core close to the edge with the connectors, and a nail is put through the center, it could miss the core entirely. And if the nail went through the bridges, a data recovery person could wire a reader the the connectors inside the package.

    1. Re:Are they really representative by Ianoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To be honest, it sounds like the testers were just getting desperate with the whole nail-to-a-tree thing. They weren't expecting all the cards to survive all the tests, and it would make for a pretty dull magazine article if they just wrote "all the cards are indistructable".

    2. Re:Are they really representative by lachlan76 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But who would have though it would survive the 6-year-old????

  8. is this a feature or a bug? by jamienk · · Score: 4, Funny

    is this a feature or a bug?

  9. Re:Oh no by H8X55 · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's always the microwave in the employee breakroom. Guaranteed to destroy small electronics placed within - in a matter of seconds.

  10. A pretty pointless experiment.... by drolli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Besides the fact that "nailing to a tree" is something which is unlikely to happen to my memory cards, probably the outcome depends strongly is the nail goes trough the flash memory or only trough plastic. Furthermore "washing" should be carried out at temperatures from 30-90 degrees, and the results should be interpreted in terms of flipped bits. Hammering is a combination of mechanical stress and vibration, two things which can be separated (and are interestin separate- one tells you if you might put the memory card in your pocket, the other one if you should damp vibrations if you put it onto your bike). Running it over with a toy card after running it over wit h a skateboard (I suppose with sombody on it) will not do additional damage, i guess! And dipping into cola may oxidise the contacts......

    So.... I think the test was not carried out correctly and scientifically......

    1. Re:A pretty pointless experiment.... by moonbender · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh well. I mean, on the one hand, you're correct, this wasn't carried out scientifically, but then again, it doesn't have to to be useful. All of the six main tests are representative or real live stress such a card might have to endure.

      I assume the actual article - the BBC's is only an abstract of an article in a UK digital photography magazine - contains more detailed explanations of what the tests entail, for instance at which temperature the cards were washed. The BBC says the cards were "boiled", so that should mean they're washed at 90 - and they survived, which kind of makes any further testing at lower temperatures superfluous. That said, repeated washing might have been interesting as it's somewhat likely the cards would die at some point. However, again, while this might be interesting in a scientific test, it doesn't have a lot of real life value: you are fairly likely to accidently wash one of your flash cards at some point, you're unlikely to do it twice, and increasingly unlikely to do it more often. Unless you're not so smart. ;)

      Hammering is a combination of mechanical stress and vibration...

      I guess it is. But maybe the just presupposed that on the one hand mechanical vibrations don't do anything to a medium that doesn't have any moving parts (probably a reasonable presupposition, but I guess you ought to test it), but more likely and very reasonable is that they thought that the "mechanical stress" part of the "hammering with a slege hammer" action is kind of more significant. I doubt a typical owner of a camera can create much more mechanical stress than with a sledge hammer...

      So in conclusion, while you're right, they could have been more diligent, the test is still quite informative as it is. It's good to know the cards are that rugged.

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  11. Bad news or good news for printing services? by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article: The results of the test are bad news for photography processing services... Around eight out of 10 digital pictures are thought to never make it into printed form at all.

    My parents have about 50 baby photo's of me. I have about 2000 digital baby photo's of my daughter. However, if I am lucky 25 of those are really worthy of printing. If 2 out of 10 digital pictures really make it to actual print, I consider that a great deal. I would say that translates to booming business for the printing services.

  12. Paper Shredder by leon.gandalf · · Score: 3, Funny

    That will kill it....

  13. Smartmedia still fragile by jridley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Regardless of these tests, the fact still remains that the vast majority of friends that have had memory cards fail have been using SmartMedia. Practically every person I know with SmartMedia cameras have at least one card that isn't working.
    I've been using CompactFlash for a long time, and have yet to have a failure. I have everything from 16M cards (used to carry files around) to 1GB cards (hundreds of photos, filled only on vacation). I don't know any of my friends with CF that have ever had a card fail, though a few of them have had filesystem corruption (I blame that mostly on the devices, not the card).

  14. Microwave? by jomas1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it's odd that with all the things they did to these cards, they did not put them through a microwave. It's not like that would have been hard to do and should happen more often to cards than being nailed to a tree.

    1. Re:Microwave? by Kippesoep · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's scary. How many times have you accidentally put something in a microwave? Not that many people accidentally nail stuff to a tree very often... That said, it would've made a fun experiment.

  15. Washing your memory card by dustbunny26 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    CF cards usually stand a trip through the washer. Just let it dry (no, don't use the dryer.) If you use a liquid fabric softner, it might not work. The advice I got from a Canon rep was to wash it again, but don't add softner.

    DB26

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  16. Can't wait... by b374 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... for something from these guys to handle these.

  17. Re:Smartmedia cards not indestructable by fishbot · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Tunsten has something of a reptutation for destroying memory cards. Check out this list of problems encountered using different cards in different machines.

    Note that in the Tungsten T3 only 1 out of 7 tested cards actually survived the ordeal! Of course, this particular test isn't scientific, but it is based on real user feedback really using them for real things, so it's probably worth a read.

  18. all lies: not indestructable... by Scythr0x0rs · · Score: 5, Funny

    To destroy your flash card:

    Install a small httpd server on flash card and get it \.ed.
    For an extra five (5) points, install Java (Sun) at the same time.

  19. Astonishing? by condensate · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Well it goes without saying that there is quite a ssmall probability for a card to get nailed somewhere. And do you really wonder why SM and xD did survive sledgehammering? Come on, they are by far the flattest out there (apart from SD /MMD ). Sledgehammers cannot strike them as hard as CF cards for example.

    Still, those two cards are a bit out of style, since SM is REALLY old, and xDs are only used by digital cameras made by Fuji and Olympus, so I dont think they will find a great audience.

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  20. CEO testing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No matter what I used to give one of our CEO's, no matter how hard I'd tested it first, he found new and unusual ways to kill it.
    That's the test I want to see: Can it survive a week at home with a mining company CEO?

    The same kind of CEO who's password was always "password"....

  21. Thats a relief! by Tridus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its good to know that if Hillbillies steal my memory card and nail it to a tree to worship as a god, I will still be able to get back my precious pictures of last years Christmas party!

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  22. This reminds me... by MancDiceman · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... of a letter I read in a now long-defunct weekly computer magazine in the UK called New Computer Express. Printed on cheap paper, it attempted to cover all available platforms in one 80-page weekly magazine. This included everything from ZX Spectrums to the then quite new 486 PCs. Macs, Amigas, Ataris, Amstrad CPCs, you name it, they all had their corner in there. Great magazine. Only problem was, their letters page looked like the flamewar from hell...

    One guy wrote in saying he had got fed of up how his friend was always boasting about his Amiga 500 and how it was vastly superior to any other machine on the planet, especially this individual's ZX81 Spectrum. So convinced was he, he proposed a test. He offered the letter-writer his Amiga 500 for free if he could come up with one test, any test of his choice, where the ZX81 outperformed the Amiga.

    The Speccy-owner, sat down, had a think, realised what to do and called his friend over with his Amiga for the test to begin. The friend arrived, and was summoned to the back garden. The Speccy-owner took his ZX81 frisbee-style and flung it across the garden, landing it perfectly in a compost heap.

    The Amiga owner stared at him, spun around with his Amiga, tried throwing it, fell over under the weight, the machine smashing into several pieces. The speccy owner picked up, cleaned off and plugged in his ZX81, and was playing Manic Miner in minutes. The Amiga owner was told to take his trash and go home, which he did, crying...

    When it comes to destruction tests, you have to ask "what's the point?". My media cards are normally well protected inside cameras or PCs and are unlikely to be dipped in cola or nailed to trees. However, it's always interesting to see how things work outside of the environment for which they were designed, just like that ZX81 and Amiga 500.

    1. Re:This reminds me... by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Funny

      >My media cards are normally well protected inside cameras or PCs and are unlikely to be dipped in cola or nailed to trees.

      Even if you don't have children sometimes your visitors will have them.

      A friend of mine kept work and backups on 5.25" floppies with red and green sleeves. One day she found all her work and backups cut into festive shapes and hanging from the Christmas tree.

      Don't assume you know what to expect.

  23. Missed a couple of tests... by GaryOlson · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ..from the real world.

    shuffle your feet thru carpet with nylon footwear and pick up a memory card (in Minnesota in February).

    Have my cat determine the memory card is alive and subsequently attack the memory card

    Have a dog carry the memory card in it's mouth for a couple of hours; then bury the memory card in the back yard.

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  24. How to destroy a Compact Flash card by alien-alien · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Much more real-world than even the dog chewing on your memory card.

    Just insert the card the wrong way up into your card reader. Our Compact Flash card reader is not well keyed and allows this.

    Instant card death on powerup :-(

  25. Um...the brands? by rfunches · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Notice there aren't any brands mentioned (don't know about the magazine article it came from though). I'd bet anything that they bought the pricey stuff. Try those tests with PNY CrapMedia cards and see how long they last.

  26. Honey quick! Nail this memory card to the tree! by khrtt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These guys have just such imagination. How about some real-life tests, like static electricity, X-ray machine, being left on the dashboard on a sunny day, being brought in on a cold winter day..

    And if you are going to drop it in water, use salty water. After all, there are those things called "sea" and "ocean" and people get their cameras splashed when they play near them. Probably no less often then they spill soda on them.

    Oh, and when you precious memory card falls out of your pocket while you are crossing the street, there are going to be tons of toy cars running over it.

  27. Re:Of course they don't break when you want them t by gotr00t · · Score: 4, Informative
    I have had a terrible experience with Lexar as well when it comes to digital media. I class I was taking provided everyone with a Lexas Jumpdrive (USB flash memory drive) and it turns out that almost half of them just stopped working after a few weeks. Data could not be written/read off of them, and they would not format either.

    It may have been the USB controller that was damaged. The way that these drives were designed was that the connector was attached directly to the circuit board, without anything else holding it in place. Or, perhaps it may have been the flash memory that was faulty, like in your circumstance.

  28. Re:What if... by Shinglor · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know, a normal person would just delete the files.

  29. ... okay. by jesdynf · · Score: 4, Funny

    So most memory cards are just as powerful, if not more so, than Jesus. Hmm.

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  30. Six year old? by RDW · · Score: 4, Funny

    Giving the card to a six year old kid to trash is all very well, but what about a _really_ destructive force like a four year old? There's a good reason why the nearly indestructible Pelican protective cases are guaranteed against everything except shark bite, bear attack and children under five.

  31. Nail Tree Thing . . . by Dausha · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm not worried about the nail-to-a-tree test, but I am worried about the staple-through test. I've only rarely seen a tree in an office, but I've seen many lUsers who are given to some strange behaviors. I've seen them staple through a 5.25" to attach it to a document. What would come of a staple-to-docuemnt for these media? Why didn't they test that?!

    Now I'm going worry so much that I'll have problems sleeping, followed by curling up into the fetal position in a dark corner, rocking myself back and forth whispering "Rosbud," until they give me my Thorazine.

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