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More On Silent Supersonic Planes

Reverberant writes "Popular Science describes the latest attempt at developing a supersonic plane designed to minimize sonic booms. The article describes some of the history behind the research, and recent attempts at validating the theory. Also note that researcher Ken Plotkin is a frequent contributer to alt.sci.physics.acoustics."

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  1. Sonic booms... by XaviorPenguin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where is that Hedgehog when you need him? Can't we tell him just to be quiet?

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  2. Towards A Silent Sonic Booms by NitsujTPU · · Score: 4, Funny

    Conjugate much?

  3. windows by dollargonzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is it just me being paranoid, or is not having any windows and having cameras send external images to the cockpit a "bad thing." obviously, without computer systems, the planes are almost useless, but if anything happens to the camera, the pilot can't even *see* outside the plane.

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    1. Re:windows by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's just you being paranoid.

      A modern airliner with all the latest gadgets (GPS, EFIS, ILS) can be flown without any sort of external vision at all. Heck, the modern autopilots can take off, fly to the destination, fly the approach, and do all but about the last 50ft onto the runway.

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    2. Re:windows by the+pickle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Assuming all hydraulic systems are fully operative, a 777 or 747 can actually do the last 50 feet, too.

      We pilots are there in case something goes wrong, and because ATC doesn't issue the exact same route every single time. Someone has to input the proper arrival procedure for the destination, since weather changes a LOT. ;)

      p

    3. Re:windows by voidptr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just ask JFK Jr.

      I can't, my scuba certification isn't current.

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  4. phew by c0dedude · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it's been published on the prestigious trade journal 'alt.sci.physics.acoustics', it must be true!

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  5. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pilots rely on more than just being able to see outside. They have literally dozens of instruments that they have to monitor in addition to the view outside. During the night and over the ocean, you have nothing but your insturments to rely on, so it's not like this is a new thing for pilots. Still, if it were ME I would want a window :)

  6. 'Popular Science' by shobadobs · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Popular Science." No such thing, man. More like, "nerdular nerdance."

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  7. A picture of the modified plane... by pldms · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...can be found here.

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  8. Let's rather make subsonic planes silent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's very interesting, but would not it make more sense to make the normal, subsonic planes more silent? They are much more in use, and the noise causes a lot of grief near airports, especially at night. Here in Brussels, this problem is already for years on the political agenda, being a very difficult problem to solve (economics vs. health...), so silent planes are really a must!

  9. EVERYONE has heard a sonic boom by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've never heard a sonic boom... so I'm not really sure how loud they are, but a co-worker described it as "pretty much sounds like thunder".

    EVERYONE has heard a sonic boom at one point: the crack of a whip. That sound you hear is not the tip of the whip hitting anything. It's the sound of the tip accelerating beyond the speed of sound and creating a mini-sonic boom. That little flick at the end causes the tip to snap out at incredible speed.

    Now as far as a big sonic boom, I haven't heard one either. I'm sure there are some pretty strict regulations about not creating sonic booms in civilian areas.

    GMD

    1. Re:EVERYONE has heard a sonic boom by swatoa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's an F-14 creating a sonic boom overhead in some type of airshow.

      http://users.wpi.edu/~jbendor/F-14%20Sonic%20Boom. mpg

  10. Re:There will still be protests by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 4, Informative
    I beg to differ. The Concord's landings may not be any louder than a regular commercial jet. I don't recall it being particularly loud. But take-off is another thing altogether.

    My company's UK office is very close to the flight paths into and out of Heathrow. Work comes to a stop when the Concord flies anywhere near on take off. No one notices the other commercial jets. I didn't notice it until last summer. Most of my time in the UK office was spent while those beasties were grounded. It was quite noticible when they were allowed back in the air.

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  11. Re:We already have surprise by Artifakt · · Score: 5, Informative

    A sonic boom can also be detected at many miles distance by a wired or radio connected listening device, analyzed in a few seconds to get a fairly good idea of what sort of plane emitted it, and that information sent to the potential target, or interceptor forces, at the speed of light or close to it, long before the plane can cross the terrain to get to its target. The Soviet Union was deploying such systems in the early 1960s, and it's a fair bet that even some "third world" countries have their own variants on them today.

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