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Australia to Get Software Patents and Anti-Circumvention Laws

Marlor writes "Australia's main opposition party have just confirmed that they will be supporting the Free Trade Agreement with the USA. This means that Australia will be adopting DMCA-style laws and Software Patents in the name of 'harmonizing IP laws with the USA', despite consistent lobbying against them. Matters are made worse by the fact that, unlike Americans, Australians are not protected by 'fair use' provisions." Odd that 'harmonizing' is always in one direction - for some reason, no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country.

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  1. It's not odd! by Zeroth_darkos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Harmonization is always in the direction of the power. It doesn't have a thing to do with what's good for innovation anymore.

    1. Re:It's not odd! by imroy · · Score: 4, Informative
      Vote out Howard, but don't give Latham & Labor a landslide - give your first vote to left-wing parties such as Socialist Alliance and the Greens, and give your preferences to Labor - send Labor a message that we aren't 100% with them.

      Thanks to the preferential voting system this is pretty much how I vote. I give my first preferences to the Greens and Democrats before Labour and the coalition (and then the small nutbag parties). I can do this confident that I'm not "throwing away" my vote. I can vote for the little parties and my lesser-of-two-evils large party at the same time.

  2. Just consider it payback... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Funny

    For plaguing us with not one, or two, but *three* Crocodile Dundee movies!

  3. How 'bout that? by ChozCunningham · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Odd that 'harmonizing' is always in one direction - for some reason, no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country.

    Because restrictive IP laws create concentration of wealth, which is power. Power leads to the ability to coerce others. And nobody grows powerful by using their existing wealth to create an envirinment that is free-er.

    1. Re:How 'bout that? by MojoRilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And nobody grows powerful by using their existing wealth to create an envirinment that is free-er.

      There are many, many examples, from politics to the free software movement, that dispute this.

      Richard Stallman has used his wealth (in terms of programming time, energy) to create software that is free-er, and is much more powerful than he would have been had he not done it.

      Nelson Mandella campaigned and spend years in jail to free South Africa from Apartheid and he grew powerful.

      Likewise, Linus would probably have been an anonymous programmer in Finland if he had decided to keep his operating system proprietary.

      Power comes from many things in society. Not all of them have to do with money. Sometimes giving things away or doing the right thing makes you powerful.

    2. Re:How 'bout that? by diamondsw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the reason we know of these cases is that they are the exceptions that prove the rule.

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    3. Re:How 'bout that? by ratamacue · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think we need to define "power". For me, power can mean only one thing: the "right" to initiate force as a means to an end. It does not mean wealth, influence over others, popularity, knowledge, or ownership of business or material items. It is entirely possible to have all of those things and not posess an ounce of power.

      I am only concerned with power as it relates to interaction between people, because as an individual with unique wants and needs, it is in my best interest to respect all other individuals EXCEPT those who operate on the principle of force (as opposed to the principle of voluntary association).

      I would argue that Mandella had influence, but not power. I would argue that Mandella had great influence precisely because of his lack of power. Mandella fought against, not for, power.

      What definition of power are you using?

  4. IP... by SlashDread · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country"

    Keep talking about "IP".. and that will NEVER change.

    The crux is this: we all bought in this phantom "Information Economy" in the 90's, completely bypassing the fact that the real money is made with SERVICES, not INFORMATION.

    This whole "IT revolution" meme needs to be shot. And before that happens, stuff is likely to get far worse first.

    "/Dread"

  5. Not odd by shackma2 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Odd that 'harmonizing' is always in one direction - for some reason, no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country.

    It's not odd at all. The Australian government wants more trade from the US, whitch will only occur if the Australian government increases IP regulation. If the Australian people want less IP regulation (I.e. fair use clauses), its up to them to lobby their government. Things don't usually happen in government because its the right thing to do, things happen because of interests. In this case, businesses (both US and Australian) have a compelling interest towards more trade, so until there is a compelling interest towards fair use the Australian government will probbley not get around to it.

  6. Welll.... by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Matters are made worse by the fact that, unlike Americans, Australians are not protected by 'fair use' provisions.

    What? Americans are protected by fair use provisions? I mean, I know we have them, but I didn't realize they still did anything.

  7. Economies by headkase · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like to see a block of maybe africa and the middle east just say screw it and form their own economic associations independent of the United States. They wouldn't have great GDP's but at least they'd be creating their own economies suited to their specific needs and not letting the vacuum machine that is the US suck up all their money.
    Developing countries are not a market for our TV production and their home textile industries can't get off the ground because the West floods developing markets with cheap bolts of cloth or discarded clothing. Our economic interests do not match, the developing world needs to bootstrap itself to the next economic level while the West economies tend to take aggressive advantage of any market as our goal is the creation of our wealth not for the benefit of the markets that such behaviour tends to suck dry.
    Or not.

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    1. Re:Economies by Threni · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > I'd like to see a block of maybe africa and the middle east just say screw it
      > and form their own economic associations independent of the United States. They
      > wouldn't have great GDP's but at least they'd be creating their own economies
      > suited to their specific needs and not letting the vacuum machine that is the
      > US suck up all their money.

      You could call it Cuba, for instance.

  8. A note on US' imperialism by FedeTXF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It has happened many times before in many countries and with many issues. US allways pushes other countries to have laws mimic its own.
    During the Argentina's default/devaluation crisis, US (through the IMF) made Argentina's congress pass a bankrupcy law in the term of the chapter-11 kind of thing the US has (IANAL). Anne Krueger (head of the IMF then) told everybody Argentina had to "adapt its legislation to the international standards" (i.e. US' standard).
    They were foreseeing massive bankrupcies, but none (significant) happened so no US-based companies took control of any troubled local company.
    Before that bankrupt companied were handled by a judge in a specific way, not handed to the lenders.

  9. Time to move to Finland by the_raptor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am an Australian and am completely sick of our Governments (both parties) acting like cheap hookers around US corporations. Screw you guys I am moving to Finland.

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    1. Re:Time to move to Finland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course the other option is actually put in some effort to demonstrate your opposition to the FTA. The Greens party in Australia have consistently been against the FTA. The Aust. Labour party courts them for directing voting preferences to the ALP. How about supporting them, or writing to your local newspaper, calling your local politician and writing to Latham, leader of the ALP?

      Remember, no vote has been cast yet and there are two significant conditions placed on the adoption of the FTA by the ALP before they vote for it, so it's not too late to visit the anti-FTA sites nofta.org and tradewatchoz.or.

  10. Good News! by femto · · Score: 4, Informative

    The opposition has attached two non-negotiable conditions to their support of the "Free" Trade Agreement legislation. The government has said will not agree to one of these conditions. This might delay the passage of the legislation until after the next election, by which time the balance of power could have changed and the legislation can be considered on its merits instead of political manoeuvring. If the deadlock is never resolved the legislation might die a natural death.

  11. Does this mean... by yuud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That US patents will apply to Australian software developers? Australia's economy is tiny compared to the US, and I'm not keen on the effect this has on Australia IT startups trying to avoid the patent highwayman on all the backroads... :(

  12. Well... by siskbc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone know of a large island that is well connected to the Internet? ...offhand I'd say Australia. ;)

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  13. A black day, indeed. by FoboldFKY · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Today, the final shread of faith that I had left in my government has finally disappeared. I am now sorry to be Australian.

    I "know" why they're doing this. The same reason they got into politics in the first place. Power. Money. Fame. Although perhaps the wholesale "if you don't cave in, you can forget about trade and any kind of military protection in the future" line from the US government helped seal the deal.

    What I do not understand is how these people sleep at night, knowing they have sold out every last Australian they supposedly represent. Do they lie in bed next to their loved ones and think "today I signed away my people's freedoms to foreign companies; what a great leader I am"? Or are they just so profoundly stupid that they can't see the plague they are about to unleash on us?

    To the Liberals and Labor: you make me ashamed to even be the same nationality as you. If I ever hear you utter the word "freedom" again, I will be sick.

    I'm going to cry in the corner now. You can rest easy knowing that you've betrayed us all.

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    1. Re:A black day, indeed. by MeNeXT · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They are thinking..."Stupid people elected me and they do not even care enough to get upset while I sell their liberties away"....


      Or something like that.

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    2. Re:A black day, indeed. by drtomaso · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, some disclaimers: IANAL, IANAA, IANAAL (I am not a lawyer, an Australian, or even an Australian Lawyer)

      As I am not an Australian, I cannot speak for your people, your government or your political parties. However, in any republican government, and Australia and the US would seem to qualify, governing will always boil down to special interest politics. Governing is a complex task, and one of the benefits of having small, vocal minorities is that they do the enormous amount of highly specialized research on the issues for the representatives. In a way, its one of the few things that keeps the process of governing from becoming overloaded.

      What you have to realize is that on the issues like DMCA-style legislation, the world breaks down into three categories- a special interest that really wants strong 'IP' laws (media conglomerates, monopolistic software titans, etc) , a special interest that really doesnt want them (slashdot geeks, libertarians, eff members) and the largest group out there: the completely apathetic/ignorant. Now, given that the vast majority of the represented dont care one way or the other which way their representatives go on this issue, which would you chose? The small special interest that posts stories on a web page all day or the small special interest offering you, not just campaign contributions, but a trade agreement that could bring both $ and jobs to your community.

      That doesnt make it right, but until "we the people" wake up and actually start to care in the US, the place to fight this is the courts. I'd assume that to be a good place in Australia, Canada and the UK as well.

  14. Killing the IT industry by Slinky+Saves+the+Wor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apparently the government of Australia has nothing better to do than to attempt the killing of the IT industry of Australia.

    The idea behind the so-called "Free Trade" treaty will work when ALL countries on this Earth adhere to it, and enforce it. But while there are countries which do not have such strict laws, the countries implementing such laws will suffer a severe competitive disadvantage.

    The result will be that the law will be evaded by taking work elsewhere. This means lost revenues and hurts the Australian IT industry.

    Have you noticed how the Internet and things dealing with it are slowly sinking into a swamp full of legalization? The reason is to attach to the Internet the same power structures as the "old" business has, the same rulers, the same power players, the same mind-numbing consumer-grade nothingness.

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  15. Just Remenbering that the FTAA goes the same way. by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 4, Informative

    The FTAA - similar deal, but relating to the Americas, scheduled to be signed on early 2005, has a prevision for DMCA like anti-circunvention law requirements by all parties.

    It, however, states that "Computer Programs" are not subject to patenteability.

    It is on chapter XX of the third draft for the FTAA. Subsection B.2.c (Copyright and related rights), articles 21, 22, 23 contain the DMCAish stuff. Patents are described further bellow.

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  16. Cross pollination by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since the Aussie's dont have 'fair use' rights, the logic of the WTO would conclude that the USA has to drop their citizens 'fair use' rights to conform with the lowest common denominator between the countries.

    This is the real danger of the WTO, as it forces you to ingore your laws, in favor of some other countries concept of right and wrong..

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  17. A quick note on this isssue.... by xquark · · Score: 5, Informative

    The FTA has not passed the Australian senate, and
    most likely will not be ratified until after this
    year's Australian federal elections.

    The hold-up is being caused by the major opposition
    party in Australia not agreeing to terms set forward
    by Americans regarding the fedral acquisition and
    subsidies of pharmaceuticals.

    Hopefully this sticking point will render the FTA
    void and hence stop any further destruction of the
    Australian patent and intellectual property laws

    Arash Partow

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    Instead of being one who knows not what they don't know,
    Thinking they know everything about all things.
    http://www.partow.net

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  18. Australia is always about Defense and Farmers by tezza · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you fill out an Australian GST registration for a new company the first box is:

    1. Are you a Primary Producer? [read Farmers and Miners]

    The Primary Producers have so much sway even in this day and age. They get more access to sell Tin/ Chrome/ Wool/ Lamb and the technology and intellectual capital gets shoved under the rug.

    This is what has occurred here.

    Australia is entirely dependent on US for defence as well. The Australian Army has enough ammunition for 3-5 days of full combat. There is almost always a few days lead time before invasions, and these two combined is designed for enough time for the US to step in and back us up. This is why Australia is so closely aligned with the US.

    Australia is content having the Brain Drain. To the politicians on both sides, the net benefit outweighs the loss of innovation.

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  19. Balance. Bah! by Xebikr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to be in favor of balance, and moderation, and rights of creators etc. Now, I have no such feelings. I watch as the copyright extremists win battle after battle by taking a stance that strengthening IP laws is not only necessary but a moral imperative. They use words like pirate and theft, while we say balance and culture and freedom of expression. They have a clear agenda and deep pockets while our oposition is under funded and constantly debating on what balance means.

    Furthermore there seems to be no way we are ever going to get our legislators to understand the harm that increasing the power of is having. Legislators are free to enact these laws because the average person has no chance of understanding copyright.

    The only way we are going to get any change is by adopting a similarly extreme position. By completly ignoring copyright law or deliberately acting against it. Bankrupt the content owners' legal fund and clog the courts with infringement cases. Act against the goverments position in favor of the will of the people. In short, we need revolution. That is the only way we will ever see positive change.

  20. Last chance to make a difference by Marlor · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think that all Aussies with an interest in being able to use their computers unencumbered should really make their frustration over this deal known now. While it may be too late to stop the FTA, we still might be able to make a difference. Hopefully if we make enough noise the media and politicians will stop ignoring the IP aspects of the FTA.

    So, start sending letters to newspapers. The FTA is a hot topic in the news right now, so there's a good chance it will be accepted (see letter second from the bottom).

    You can send letters to the editor at the following addresses:
    The Australian
    Sydney Morning Herald
    The Age

    If US Slashdotters are keen, they could even send a "letter to the editor" detailing the problems with the DMCA and software patents that Australia will now face.

    You can also let your feeling be known to the shadow minister for the Arts, Sport and Information Technology (Senator Kate Lundy). Her contact details are here. Be sure to mention that this issue will affect your vote.

    You can also find out what electorate you are in, if you don't already know, and send your local federal MP a message about how disappointed you are over the FTA's impact on the IT industry.

    While the timing of the posting of this story on Slashdot wasn't ideal (most Aussie Slashdotters won't be awake for another 5 or 6 hours), hopefully a reasonable number will read this in the morning and take action.

  21. Vetoes don't help against voice vote by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not like Clinton signed the DMCA into law, or anything.

    Even if then-President Clinton didn't want the DMCA and the Bono Act to become law, he could not have stopped them, as both the House and the Senate passed the Bono Act and the DMCA by voice vote. Under the Constitution for the USA, a presidential veto has little if any hope of beating a voice vote, as it takes 81 percent in favor to pass a law by voice vote (that is, one-fifth to force a roll call) but only 67 percent to override a presidential veto.

    The vague hope lies in us somehow electing a third party or non-politician politician.

    What you want in this case is a member of a small-government party such as the Libertarian Party in the USA or a foreign counterpart. You might want to read the Cato Institute's position on copyrights and patents.

    We've got the same chance as a paper dog chasing an asbestos cat through hell.

    All political parties take time to get a foothold in government. To get more libertarians into an elected federal office, start at the level of the legislature.

  22. Re:We need to buy an island at start the GNU colon by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone know of a large island that is well connected to the Internet?

    Niue might not be large (check the stats on CIA site), but it's beautiful and THE WHOLE AREA is covered by freely accessible Wi-Fi network. Plus - they have cool Net domain ".nu". Just think - GNU colony could have the website g.nu!

  23. Re:There is still some vague hope by Bull999999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like as if an average citizen knows what DMCA, DRM, software patent, FOSS, etc. are. Don't to notice that the magic words now are terrorism, social security, medicare, economy, and job market? If you are a politician, whould you concentrate your efforts to a small group of geeks with crappy voting records?

    I hate to break this news to you but the population in large doesn't really give a damn about what the geeks think and they don't act on any of the issues until it starts to hurt their bottom line.

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