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Australia to Get Software Patents and Anti-Circumvention Laws

Marlor writes "Australia's main opposition party have just confirmed that they will be supporting the Free Trade Agreement with the USA. This means that Australia will be adopting DMCA-style laws and Software Patents in the name of 'harmonizing IP laws with the USA', despite consistent lobbying against them. Matters are made worse by the fact that, unlike Americans, Australians are not protected by 'fair use' provisions." Odd that 'harmonizing' is always in one direction - for some reason, no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country.

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  1. There is still some vague hope by Minix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the conservatives are voted out, the provisions can be watered down or ignored in new 'enabling' legislation, much as the US will ignore their side of the bargain.

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    1. Re:There is still some vague hope by Bull999999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like as if an average citizen knows what DMCA, DRM, software patent, FOSS, etc. are. Don't to notice that the magic words now are terrorism, social security, medicare, economy, and job market? If you are a politician, whould you concentrate your efforts to a small group of geeks with crappy voting records?

      I hate to break this news to you but the population in large doesn't really give a damn about what the geeks think and they don't act on any of the issues until it starts to hurt their bottom line.

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    2. Re:There is still some vague hope by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Like as if an average citizen knows what DMCA, DRM, software patent, FOSS, etc. are.

      Right. But they do know that they can share their printed books but not their e-books. They, however, blame the publishers and not the governments....

      Don't to notice that the magic words now are terrorism, social security, medicare, economy, and job market?

      These are strongly connected to the issues of DRM and copyright protections.

      If you are a politician, whould you concentrate your efforts to a small group of geeks with crappy voting records?

      You're right. Why stand up to corporations in this case? Well, the larger issue now is that corporations are on both sides of the issue and we will see a major war brewing. This may not be seen as much in the public eye but it is still going on nonetheless.

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  2. It's not odd! by Zeroth_darkos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Harmonization is always in the direction of the power. It doesn't have a thing to do with what's good for innovation anymore.

    1. Re:It's not odd! by vandan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly.

      That's one of the many reasons why I've become an active supporter of the Socialist Alliance leading up to the federal election.

      Those who think Labor are providing 'opposition' to the Liberals and their neo-conservative buddies in the Whitehouse should have a good hard think about Labor's position on the Free Trade Agreement ( among other things ).

      Vote out Howard, but don't give Latham & Labor a landslide - give your first vote to left-wing parties such as Socialist Alliance and the Greens, and give your preferences to Labor - send Labor a message that we aren't 100% with them.

    2. Re:It's not odd! by imroy · · Score: 4, Informative
      Vote out Howard, but don't give Latham & Labor a landslide - give your first vote to left-wing parties such as Socialist Alliance and the Greens, and give your preferences to Labor - send Labor a message that we aren't 100% with them.

      Thanks to the preferential voting system this is pretty much how I vote. I give my first preferences to the Greens and Democrats before Labour and the coalition (and then the small nutbag parties). I can do this confident that I'm not "throwing away" my vote. I can vote for the little parties and my lesser-of-two-evils large party at the same time.

  3. Re:We need to buy an island at start the GNU colon by mccalli · · Score: 3, Funny
    Anyone know of a large island that is well connected to the Internet?

    Great Britain?

    Cheers,
    Ian

  4. Just consider it payback... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Funny

    For plaguing us with not one, or two, but *three* Crocodile Dundee movies!

  5. Re:We need to buy an island at start the GNU colon by pe1rxq · · Score: 2, Funny

    Grandparent should have added: 'whose prime minister isn't kissing Bush's ass'.

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  6. How 'bout that? by ChozCunningham · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Odd that 'harmonizing' is always in one direction - for some reason, no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country.

    Because restrictive IP laws create concentration of wealth, which is power. Power leads to the ability to coerce others. And nobody grows powerful by using their existing wealth to create an envirinment that is free-er.

    1. Re:How 'bout that? by MojoRilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And nobody grows powerful by using their existing wealth to create an envirinment that is free-er.

      There are many, many examples, from politics to the free software movement, that dispute this.

      Richard Stallman has used his wealth (in terms of programming time, energy) to create software that is free-er, and is much more powerful than he would have been had he not done it.

      Nelson Mandella campaigned and spend years in jail to free South Africa from Apartheid and he grew powerful.

      Likewise, Linus would probably have been an anonymous programmer in Finland if he had decided to keep his operating system proprietary.

      Power comes from many things in society. Not all of them have to do with money. Sometimes giving things away or doing the right thing makes you powerful.

    2. Re:How 'bout that? by diamondsw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the reason we know of these cases is that they are the exceptions that prove the rule.

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    3. Re:How 'bout that? by ratamacue · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think we need to define "power". For me, power can mean only one thing: the "right" to initiate force as a means to an end. It does not mean wealth, influence over others, popularity, knowledge, or ownership of business or material items. It is entirely possible to have all of those things and not posess an ounce of power.

      I am only concerned with power as it relates to interaction between people, because as an individual with unique wants and needs, it is in my best interest to respect all other individuals EXCEPT those who operate on the principle of force (as opposed to the principle of voluntary association).

      I would argue that Mandella had influence, but not power. I would argue that Mandella had great influence precisely because of his lack of power. Mandella fought against, not for, power.

      What definition of power are you using?

    4. Re:How 'bout that? by finkployd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because keeping everything proprietary and under tight restrictions is guaranteed to make you rich and powerful.

      (I'm going to use success rather than power from now on, since I imagine that is the goal for more people)

      Success, alas, is the exception to anything. If any one strategy guaranteed success everyone would do it and nobody would be having this discussion.

      Since success is a crap shoot anyway, I would rather become successful (which is a relative term anyway) doing something I believed in and enjoy doing. If I were working for a dilbertesque software company that tried to lock everyone into their proprietary solutions, litigate away competition, and produced crappy software I might be more successful. I might even be driving a Mercedes instead of a Civic and live in a huge house instead of renting a duplex. But you know what, I wouldn't be believing in what I do every day and I would likely be miserable. I might not even be that successful since I don't know where I would find motivation.

      No thanks, I'll just keep my non-competitive University job where I love what I do, I get to play with cool open source technology, and I get to keep my lofty ideals. I'm happier this way. And, dare I say, more successful :)

      Finkployd

    5. Re:How 'bout that? by antiMStroll · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "And nobody grows powerful by using their existing wealth to create an envirinment that is free-er."

      The American Founding Fathers?

  7. IP... by SlashDread · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country"

    Keep talking about "IP".. and that will NEVER change.

    The crux is this: we all bought in this phantom "Information Economy" in the 90's, completely bypassing the fact that the real money is made with SERVICES, not INFORMATION.

    This whole "IT revolution" meme needs to be shot. And before that happens, stuff is likely to get far worse first.

    "/Dread"

  8. No DVDs for you! by underpar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure you see the importance of stopping people that run Linux from playing DVDs. Go FTA!

  9. Not odd by shackma2 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Odd that 'harmonizing' is always in one direction - for some reason, no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country.

    It's not odd at all. The Australian government wants more trade from the US, whitch will only occur if the Australian government increases IP regulation. If the Australian people want less IP regulation (I.e. fair use clauses), its up to them to lobby their government. Things don't usually happen in government because its the right thing to do, things happen because of interests. In this case, businesses (both US and Australian) have a compelling interest towards more trade, so until there is a compelling interest towards fair use the Australian government will probbley not get around to it.

    1. Re:Not odd by wayward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just as a side note, the US and Australia have been allies for years. Australia hosts US military and surveillance operations. This was mentioned in The Falcon and the Snowman, where the US intelligence was using a station in Alice Springs (Australia) to gather signals from Rhyolite intelligence satellites. According to the book, the US had promised to share everything with the Australians but apparently didn't do this. However, Australia seems to be quite tolerant, and is still cooperating with US military and intelligence.

    2. Re:Not odd by Herby+Werby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ahh, I see the crux of the problem: if they were to want more trade with China rather than the US then this wouldn't have arisen. The bulk of the World's IP sits in the US and the 'owners' want to protect it. Consequently, any country that wants trade with the US must first acknowledge that the IP is indeed property that the 'owners' are entitled to exploit it.

    3. Re:Not odd by Armchair+Dissident · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lobbying government only has any effect if the government has an incentive to listen. Most voters are not concerned about copyright and patent law, and most voters are not aware of the problems with laws such as the DMCA.

      A politician standing his ground and upsetting a trade agreement because of DMCA provisions will not win votes, he will loose them. His opposition will say he's a "trouble maker", and he's "upsetting important trade negotiations". They won't say "look at this guy, he's standing up for the consumer". So the message most voters get is "this man is a trouble maker". It's a lose-lose situation.

      Of course sometimes politicians are able to get the right message through, but those situations are few and far between.

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    4. Re:Not odd by ThisIsFred · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. And this is entirely stupid, because it increases their cost of doing business, which means they'll be able to offer less in trade. Which means our exporters will be taking a pay cut. Which, of course, means that people will lose their job. But you won't hear about those jobs, because they don't all "vanish" at once, so there's no political advantage to pointing it out.

      I'm simplifying here, there are quite a few more good and bad effects of this.

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      Fred

      "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
      -RMS
  10. Welll.... by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Matters are made worse by the fact that, unlike Americans, Australians are not protected by 'fair use' provisions.

    What? Americans are protected by fair use provisions? I mean, I know we have them, but I didn't realize they still did anything.

    1. Re:Welll.... by Rotten168 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sure they do. People quote copyrighted works and article excerpts all the time in Slashdot, and that is considered fair use for example.

  11. Economies by headkase · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like to see a block of maybe africa and the middle east just say screw it and form their own economic associations independent of the United States. They wouldn't have great GDP's but at least they'd be creating their own economies suited to their specific needs and not letting the vacuum machine that is the US suck up all their money.
    Developing countries are not a market for our TV production and their home textile industries can't get off the ground because the West floods developing markets with cheap bolts of cloth or discarded clothing. Our economic interests do not match, the developing world needs to bootstrap itself to the next economic level while the West economies tend to take aggressive advantage of any market as our goal is the creation of our wealth not for the benefit of the markets that such behaviour tends to suck dry.
    Or not.

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    1. Re:Economies by Threni · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > I'd like to see a block of maybe africa and the middle east just say screw it
      > and form their own economic associations independent of the United States. They
      > wouldn't have great GDP's but at least they'd be creating their own economies
      > suited to their specific needs and not letting the vacuum machine that is the
      > US suck up all their money.

      You could call it Cuba, for instance.

    2. Re:Economies by payndz · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'd like to see a block of maybe africa and the middle east just say screw it and form their own economic associations independent of the United States.

      Any such bloc would be fucked over - probably with bombs - in very short order. The current US National Security Strategy is so loosely worded that (viewed with a Rumsfeldian eye) it gives the US more or less carte blanche to intervene militarily as and when it chooses, anywhere in the world, if it feels its interests - ie, the interests of those in power - are threatened. On the surface it's very noble - it's all couched in the language of 'bring democracy and freedom to the developing world'. But read between the lines, and it's more a case of 'open up the developing world's markets to US interests'. The biotechnology clause is blatantly pro-Monsanto and co, for a start. 'They want aid? Then make the bastards buy our patented GM seeds!'

      The ruling politicians of the other English-speaking developed nations - Australia, the UK - are so desperate to be a part of Bush's banquet that they'll happily sign away the rights of their citizens for the chance to lick the few drops of spilt gravy from America's trouser bottoms. It's an absolute fucking disgrace, but there doesn't seem to be any credible opposition because all the other politicians just want their own chance to get under the table.

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  12. A note on US' imperialism by FedeTXF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It has happened many times before in many countries and with many issues. US allways pushes other countries to have laws mimic its own.
    During the Argentina's default/devaluation crisis, US (through the IMF) made Argentina's congress pass a bankrupcy law in the term of the chapter-11 kind of thing the US has (IANAL). Anne Krueger (head of the IMF then) told everybody Argentina had to "adapt its legislation to the international standards" (i.e. US' standard).
    They were foreseeing massive bankrupcies, but none (significant) happened so no US-based companies took control of any troubled local company.
    Before that bankrupt companied were handled by a judge in a specific way, not handed to the lenders.

  13. Time to move to Finland by the_raptor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am an Australian and am completely sick of our Governments (both parties) acting like cheap hookers around US corporations. Screw you guys I am moving to Finland.

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    1. Re:Time to move to Finland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course the other option is actually put in some effort to demonstrate your opposition to the FTA. The Greens party in Australia have consistently been against the FTA. The Aust. Labour party courts them for directing voting preferences to the ALP. How about supporting them, or writing to your local newspaper, calling your local politician and writing to Latham, leader of the ALP?

      Remember, no vote has been cast yet and there are two significant conditions placed on the adoption of the FTA by the ALP before they vote for it, so it's not too late to visit the anti-FTA sites nofta.org and tradewatchoz.or.

    2. Re:Time to move to Finland by dotwaffle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm in Finland at the moment, for the Assembly demoparty, and I can honestly say things seem a lot more logical here than in the UK and the US. Things aren't done for companies, but things aren't done for the people, they seem to have taken the "thinking" approach and thought out what is the most sensible law. I actually prefer Helsinki to any other city on the planet I have visited - the streets are clean, there are no hobo's (they all die every winter) and the people are generally really nice. Maybe it's just my British accent, but they seem genuinely friendly, not just a business type friendlyness. Oh, and I have yet to see an ugly Finnish girl/woman under 30 ;)

  14. Good News! by femto · · Score: 4, Informative

    The opposition has attached two non-negotiable conditions to their support of the "Free" Trade Agreement legislation. The government has said will not agree to one of these conditions. This might delay the passage of the legislation until after the next election, by which time the balance of power could have changed and the legislation can be considered on its merits instead of political manoeuvring. If the deadlock is never resolved the legislation might die a natural death.

    1. Re:Good News! by Marlor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The opposition has attached two non-negotiable conditions to their support of the "Free" Trade Agreement legislation.

      If the deadlock is never resolved the legislation might die a natural death.

      This has only come up since I submitted the story this afernoon, but this is all the more reason to write letters to newspapers and politicians to let them know how you feel about the FTA. If we stay quiet, the issues with the FTA will continue to be ignored. If we make our opinion known (loudly), then maybe it will become an issue in future negotiations.

      So, please people, don't sit back and hope that the FTA is stalled by parliament. Take action, make it known that Software Patents and anti-circumvention laws are a Bad Thing, and hopefully politicians and the media will stop ignoring this issue.

  15. Re:We need to buy an island at start the GNU colon by underpar · · Score: 2, Funny

    There would be a few of us, but there would be a lot of 'not if you were the last nerd on the island' talk.

  16. Does this mean... by yuud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That US patents will apply to Australian software developers? Australia's economy is tiny compared to the US, and I'm not keen on the effect this has on Australia IT startups trying to avoid the patent highwayman on all the backroads... :(

  17. Well... by siskbc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone know of a large island that is well connected to the Internet? ...offhand I'd say Australia. ;)

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  18. Rupert Murdoch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have yet to see anyone mention the real force behind the devolution of the copyright bargain throughout the world. People here on Slashdot go on endlessly about the evil of Windows and Bill Gates, but utterly fail to acknowledge the real source stifling innovation: Rupert Murdoch.

    1. Re:Rupert Murdoch by Catamaran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a good point. The powers pushing DMCA, etc. are multinational companies like Sony. They control the US government, and now it looks like they control Australia's government too. So, we can (and should) write to our representatives, but we should also think about more direct forms of action, e.g. boycotting those companies.

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  19. Re:How do you tell... by Minix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As Thoreau said: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just
    man is in jail.

    Organised civil disobedience.

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  20. A black day, indeed. by FoboldFKY · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Today, the final shread of faith that I had left in my government has finally disappeared. I am now sorry to be Australian.

    I "know" why they're doing this. The same reason they got into politics in the first place. Power. Money. Fame. Although perhaps the wholesale "if you don't cave in, you can forget about trade and any kind of military protection in the future" line from the US government helped seal the deal.

    What I do not understand is how these people sleep at night, knowing they have sold out every last Australian they supposedly represent. Do they lie in bed next to their loved ones and think "today I signed away my people's freedoms to foreign companies; what a great leader I am"? Or are they just so profoundly stupid that they can't see the plague they are about to unleash on us?

    To the Liberals and Labor: you make me ashamed to even be the same nationality as you. If I ever hear you utter the word "freedom" again, I will be sick.

    I'm going to cry in the corner now. You can rest easy knowing that you've betrayed us all.

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    1. Re:A black day, indeed. by MeNeXT · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They are thinking..."Stupid people elected me and they do not even care enough to get upset while I sell their liberties away"....


      Or something like that.

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    2. Re:A black day, indeed. by imogthe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I fully sympathise.
      The problem of the modern day and age is that politicians are considered "leaders" of the people. Where and when did this happen? Are not politicians chosen by the people to represent them and their interests?

      When did it come to be that the people became used to the idea that politicians were somehow more privileged, more important, wiser or more worthy than themselves?

      I feel the "system" has moulded after its own design into beings who can't think outside this "system". We, the people, have simply given up on our rights and duties, happily trading them all for the comfort of .... what?

      Somehow we have the concept of "civil disobedience". Disobedience against what? How can the public be disobedient in their own country? Who makes these laws that the public disobeys? Have we somehow installed a new ruling class of lawyers and politicians replacing the kings of old?
      Just as the the parent poster I despair at the state of things. I'd like to advocate a revolution but I wouldn't know where or how to begin. I suppose I'm just too complacent about these issues and more than happy to give up my rights for some intangible benefit I'm sure I'm getting....

      That's me done rambling and ranting and spewing incoherent thoughts at innocent bystanders. Thanks for reading. Move on now. There's nothing to see here..

    3. Re:A black day, indeed. by drtomaso · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, some disclaimers: IANAL, IANAA, IANAAL (I am not a lawyer, an Australian, or even an Australian Lawyer)

      As I am not an Australian, I cannot speak for your people, your government or your political parties. However, in any republican government, and Australia and the US would seem to qualify, governing will always boil down to special interest politics. Governing is a complex task, and one of the benefits of having small, vocal minorities is that they do the enormous amount of highly specialized research on the issues for the representatives. In a way, its one of the few things that keeps the process of governing from becoming overloaded.

      What you have to realize is that on the issues like DMCA-style legislation, the world breaks down into three categories- a special interest that really wants strong 'IP' laws (media conglomerates, monopolistic software titans, etc) , a special interest that really doesnt want them (slashdot geeks, libertarians, eff members) and the largest group out there: the completely apathetic/ignorant. Now, given that the vast majority of the represented dont care one way or the other which way their representatives go on this issue, which would you chose? The small special interest that posts stories on a web page all day or the small special interest offering you, not just campaign contributions, but a trade agreement that could bring both $ and jobs to your community.

      That doesnt make it right, but until "we the people" wake up and actually start to care in the US, the place to fight this is the courts. I'd assume that to be a good place in Australia, Canada and the UK as well.

    4. Re:A black day, indeed. by drtomaso · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, you dont have a parliament (see http://www.aph.gov.au/) whose members are elected to represent the people? 'Cause that there qualifies yer country as a republic.

  21. Killing the IT industry by Slinky+Saves+the+Wor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apparently the government of Australia has nothing better to do than to attempt the killing of the IT industry of Australia.

    The idea behind the so-called "Free Trade" treaty will work when ALL countries on this Earth adhere to it, and enforce it. But while there are countries which do not have such strict laws, the countries implementing such laws will suffer a severe competitive disadvantage.

    The result will be that the law will be evaded by taking work elsewhere. This means lost revenues and hurts the Australian IT industry.

    Have you noticed how the Internet and things dealing with it are slowly sinking into a swamp full of legalization? The reason is to attach to the Internet the same power structures as the "old" business has, the same rulers, the same power players, the same mind-numbing consumer-grade nothingness.

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  22. Just Remenbering that the FTAA goes the same way. by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 4, Informative

    The FTAA - similar deal, but relating to the Americas, scheduled to be signed on early 2005, has a prevision for DMCA like anti-circunvention law requirements by all parties.

    It, however, states that "Computer Programs" are not subject to patenteability.

    It is on chapter XX of the third draft for the FTAA. Subsection B.2.c (Copyright and related rights), articles 21, 22, 23 contain the DMCAish stuff. Patents are described further bellow.

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  23. You are too optimistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This whole "IT revolution" meme needs to be shot. And before that happens, stuff is likely to get far worse first.


    It would please me to no end if such a thing could come to pass. Unfortunately, history has shown that the only way to put a stop to trends that benefit the rich at the expense of the poor is to shoot the rich. And even then, the effect is only temporary.

  24. Why not free trade by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    businesses (both US and Australian) have a compelling interest towards more trade

    Except when the agreements that would increase trade come with riders that decrease the trade in those businesses' products. This is true especially of the electronics sector, where the Bono Act + DMCA + patents on math in this so-called "free" trade agreement would tend to either make products either less desirable or ban them outright.

  25. Cross pollination by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since the Aussie's dont have 'fair use' rights, the logic of the WTO would conclude that the USA has to drop their citizens 'fair use' rights to conform with the lowest common denominator between the countries.

    This is the real danger of the WTO, as it forces you to ingore your laws, in favor of some other countries concept of right and wrong..

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  26. A quick note on this isssue.... by xquark · · Score: 5, Informative

    The FTA has not passed the Australian senate, and
    most likely will not be ratified until after this
    year's Australian federal elections.

    The hold-up is being caused by the major opposition
    party in Australia not agreeing to terms set forward
    by Americans regarding the fedral acquisition and
    subsidies of pharmaceuticals.

    Hopefully this sticking point will render the FTA
    void and hence stop any further destruction of the
    Australian patent and intellectual property laws

    Arash Partow

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    Instead of being one who knows not what they don't know,
    Thinking they know everything about all things.
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  27. More stale countries by grunt107 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The more draconian countries get with 'IP' rules, the less said countries actually innovate. This is similar to the industries monopolized by IP giants.

    Take for example the hated SCO. They are so focused on IP litigation that their product line is dying.

    Microsoft has the same problem, especially with security provisions. So many have probed the limits of this common OS and since it has not significantly changed in over 6 years, exploits are easy.

    What will happen, in the end, is that these countries will become more dependent on other, more flexible ('hungry?') countries for future innovations. And their influence in the world will lessen.

  28. Australia is always about Defense and Farmers by tezza · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you fill out an Australian GST registration for a new company the first box is:

    1. Are you a Primary Producer? [read Farmers and Miners]

    The Primary Producers have so much sway even in this day and age. They get more access to sell Tin/ Chrome/ Wool/ Lamb and the technology and intellectual capital gets shoved under the rug.

    This is what has occurred here.

    Australia is entirely dependent on US for defence as well. The Australian Army has enough ammunition for 3-5 days of full combat. There is almost always a few days lead time before invasions, and these two combined is designed for enough time for the US to step in and back us up. This is why Australia is so closely aligned with the US.

    Australia is content having the Brain Drain. To the politicians on both sides, the net benefit outweighs the loss of innovation.

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  29. That's a pretty insignificant hope. by LordPixie · · Score: 3, Informative

    What makes you think the liberals have sold out any less than the conservatives ? It's not like Clinton signed the DMCA into law, or anything.

    The vague hope lies in us somehow electing a third party or non-politician politician. We've got the same chance as a paper dog chasing an asbestos cat through hell.


    --LordPixie

    1. Re:That's a pretty insignificant hope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Civil disobedience is the only out.

    2. Re:That's a pretty insignificant hope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can anyone explain to me why government protection of industries can be called "free trade"?

    3. Re:That's a pretty insignificant hope. by LordPixie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can anyone explain to me why government protection of industries can be called "free trade"?

      Because calling it "Global restricted trade" would be stupid.

      I'm not just being crass. It's common sense to look on the bright side when it comes to nomenclature. That's why we use "Pro Choice" and "Pro life". They're both equally irrelevant to the topic at hand, but they sound good. Likewise with the Patriot act, and just about anything else ever named on the face of the planet.


      --LordPixie

  30. Gee... I wonder why that is.... by fitten · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Odd that 'harmonizing' is always in one direction - for some reason, no one ever wants to decrease IP regulation to harmonize with some other country.

    Maybe it has something to do with making money as opposed to not making money. Remember, a company that has IP can generate jobs and make money for the government in the form of taxes. Removing IP and you just dropped the bottom out of that market, which may be profitable for developing countries.

    1. Re:Gee... I wonder why that is.... by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe it has something to do with making money as opposed to not making money. Remember, a company that has IP can generate jobs and make money for the government in the form of taxes. Removing IP and you just dropped the bottom out of that market, which may be profitable for developing countries.

      IP is only an issue if you make it an issue, which Australia seems want to do. But still there is hope for Europe and Asia who may yet still realize how much of a technological lead can be realized if they stick together and ensure their developers can create without having to fear being sued for something as silly as allowing a user to click once.

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  31. Balance. Bah! by Xebikr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to be in favor of balance, and moderation, and rights of creators etc. Now, I have no such feelings. I watch as the copyright extremists win battle after battle by taking a stance that strengthening IP laws is not only necessary but a moral imperative. They use words like pirate and theft, while we say balance and culture and freedom of expression. They have a clear agenda and deep pockets while our oposition is under funded and constantly debating on what balance means.

    Furthermore there seems to be no way we are ever going to get our legislators to understand the harm that increasing the power of is having. Legislators are free to enact these laws because the average person has no chance of understanding copyright.

    The only way we are going to get any change is by adopting a similarly extreme position. By completly ignoring copyright law or deliberately acting against it. Bankrupt the content owners' legal fund and clog the courts with infringement cases. Act against the goverments position in favor of the will of the people. In short, we need revolution. That is the only way we will ever see positive change.

  32. Last chance to make a difference by Marlor · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think that all Aussies with an interest in being able to use their computers unencumbered should really make their frustration over this deal known now. While it may be too late to stop the FTA, we still might be able to make a difference. Hopefully if we make enough noise the media and politicians will stop ignoring the IP aspects of the FTA.

    So, start sending letters to newspapers. The FTA is a hot topic in the news right now, so there's a good chance it will be accepted (see letter second from the bottom).

    You can send letters to the editor at the following addresses:
    The Australian
    Sydney Morning Herald
    The Age

    If US Slashdotters are keen, they could even send a "letter to the editor" detailing the problems with the DMCA and software patents that Australia will now face.

    You can also let your feeling be known to the shadow minister for the Arts, Sport and Information Technology (Senator Kate Lundy). Her contact details are here. Be sure to mention that this issue will affect your vote.

    You can also find out what electorate you are in, if you don't already know, and send your local federal MP a message about how disappointed you are over the FTA's impact on the IT industry.

    While the timing of the posting of this story on Slashdot wasn't ideal (most Aussie Slashdotters won't be awake for another 5 or 6 hours), hopefully a reasonable number will read this in the morning and take action.

  33. Ozzy OS developers should jump the tasman on mass by NZheretic · · Score: 2, Funny

    In protest all Australia Open Source and Small software vendor developers should on mass purchase a airline ticket to New Zealand on a date close to the signing of the treaty. Then forward a photocopy of the ticket to their state and federal representatives explaining that they are looking to emigrate because of the adoption of such business hostile draconian legislation.

  34. Vetoes don't help against voice vote by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not like Clinton signed the DMCA into law, or anything.

    Even if then-President Clinton didn't want the DMCA and the Bono Act to become law, he could not have stopped them, as both the House and the Senate passed the Bono Act and the DMCA by voice vote. Under the Constitution for the USA, a presidential veto has little if any hope of beating a voice vote, as it takes 81 percent in favor to pass a law by voice vote (that is, one-fifth to force a roll call) but only 67 percent to override a presidential veto.

    The vague hope lies in us somehow electing a third party or non-politician politician.

    What you want in this case is a member of a small-government party such as the Libertarian Party in the USA or a foreign counterpart. You might want to read the Cato Institute's position on copyrights and patents.

    We've got the same chance as a paper dog chasing an asbestos cat through hell.

    All political parties take time to get a foothold in government. To get more libertarians into an elected federal office, start at the level of the legislature.

    1. Re:Vetoes don't help against voice vote by LordPixie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even if then-President Clinton didn't want the DMCA and the Bono Act to become law, he could not have stopped them, as both the House and the Senate passed the Bono Act and the DMCA by voice vote. Under the Constitution for the USA, a presidential veto has little if any hope of beating a voice vote, as it takes 81 percent in favor to pass a law by voice vote (that is, one-fifth to force a roll call) but only 67 percent to override a presidential veto.

      I'll readily admit that Clinton probably wouldn't have prevented the eventual passing of the bill. But that doesn't justify being part of the problem. A veto could possibly have brought the issue into public discussion. The general voting populous could take notice, and some of our elected officials might even have changed their vote.

      And for the record, the above objection does not change the fact that liberals are as in the pocket as the conservatives. (Tepples, I realize you aren't claiming this.) The DMCA passed both The House and Congress unanimously. The Democrats are fucking us over just as much as the Republicans.

      What you want in this case is a member of a small-government party such as the Libertarian Party in the USA or a foreign counterpart...

      All political parties take time to get a foothold in government. To get more libertarians into an elected federal office, start at the level of the legislature.


      I agree that getting officials into the lower echelons are immensely effective at influencing the higher offices. However, that does not mean you should be voting someone you don't agree with into the presidency. Any vote for a third party does count. The more votes people see going to third parties decreases the view that those votes are 'thrown away'.


      --LordPixie

    2. Re:Vetoes don't help against voice vote by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am more of a middle of the road kind of person, and find both the ultra liberal and ultra conservative aspects of both parties insufferable. I used to think that an independent approach was warranted.

      However, after many years of reflection and observation I came to the conclusion that Libertarians/Independents will never make an impact on the political landscape - and are in fact, causing many of the problems we see in our government today.


      First, I am very much appreciative of the Cato Institute, and I have much appreciated their stance on issues of human rights in the Padilla trial and this current stance on copyright protections.

      I do think that you are right about government and two parties. One should also understand that the fact that a president must win over 50% of the electoral seats or the vote goes to the House essentially ensures that we will *always* have a two-party system.

      However--- independent voices are often louder than parties because they are generally recognized to be independent. Also if lobbyists are largely volunteer (think Friends' Commitee on National Legislation) this also adds to their credibility.

      Unfortunately on the issue of copyright terms, the general populace is in the dark and the fox is in charge of hen house....

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  35. I know you were just making a joke but... by bloggins02 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Methinks Crocodile Dundee was entirely American. Way too many stereotypes for it not to be :-/

  36. And his reward... by tkrotchko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Richard Stallman has used his wealth (in terms of programming time, energy) to create software that is free-er, and is much more powerful than he would have been had he not done it. "

    Sure, and for his trouble, he's called names from every end of the political spectrum.

    --
    You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
  37. Re:We need to buy an island at start the GNU colon by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone know of a large island that is well connected to the Internet?

    Niue might not be large (check the stats on CIA site), but it's beautiful and THE WHOLE AREA is covered by freely accessible Wi-Fi network. Plus - they have cool Net domain ".nu". Just think - GNU colony could have the website g.nu!

  38. Say NO to USA-style copyright laws. by Maul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is time for other countries to stand up and say "no" to bringing their laws into "conformance" with those of the United States.

    Software patents (especially for common sense processes), DMCA-like laws, etc. are nothing more than measures for "corporate welfare," destroying the property rights and other rights of consumers and small companies in favor of protecting the business models of megacorps and giant trade organizations. This is the effect these things have had here in the USA.

    If your lawmakers plan on playing along with these stupid laws, you should vote them out BEFORE they even have a chance to pass them in your country.

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    "You spoony bard!" -Tellah

    1. Re:Say NO to USA-style copyright laws. by Minix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The more bilateral treaties the US can sign which contain DMCA, Software Patent and Big Pharma-friendly provisions, the less chance it will have of repealing such laws. The U.S. executive will be able to point to these bilateral treaties and shrug - we couldn't change them even if we wanted to. THAT is why GW Bush signed the treaty just now (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200408/s1168 234.htm) with unseemly haste. Not because Australia matters economically to the U.S., but because it helps to entrench these obscene laws in the U.S. and put them beyond the reach of future legislation.

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      "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt
  39. Bad for the Aussies but Misery loves Company by eamacnaghten · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Ah well - another government screwing there own software industry I suppose having been convinced that Software Patents are the only way to get significant foreign IT investments, the convincer no doubt being Microsoft and the like... Lawyers agreeing to this as it means lining their pockets at the expense of everyone else - the cost? A generation not being able to take advantage of technical inovations without paying a tax to companies and entities that had nothing to do with it's development....

    The way it is looking too unless something major can happen the UK and Europe are heading the same way....

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  40. Laws and Breaking them by DeanFox · · Score: 3, Interesting


    As far as I can tell, as an American, I cannot go through my day without breaking the law. My quest is no longer to be a law-biding citizen, that's impossible, but rather not to get caught.

    Even the bleach for my laundry says it's a felony to use the product inconsistent with its labeling. So, if rather than measuring the one-cup recommended amount I pour it in guessing, they could put me in jail.

    Yes, but they'd never do that I hear someone saying for such a minor infraction. Uh-huh. Here in Atlanta a man was put in jail because a Viagra pill fell from his wallet when he retrieved his license for a police officer. He had a legal prescription; the problem was not that he had the pill. He was jailed because the pill was not being stored it's original container. Some jail time, sexual abuse checking cavities during intake, a few thousand dollars in fines, attorney and court costs and he's again a free man.

    I cannot speak words strong enough to convey my conviction of the need for a totally un-traceable, encrypted form of P2P. This is not the United States I learned about in school. Maybe it never existed. But I know today is doesn't.

    Other countries have faced or are facing this same thing. I don't believe greed and the desire for the power to control the masses is inherently American. I believe it will get to the point where certain laws are just going to have to ignored. This is where I think the P2P solution comes into place. Abet, it will only be a temporary solution. They will eventually outlaw and trace encrypted packets.

    -[d]-

  41. Re:Let's please not forget... by symbolic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...that ultimately, no legislation passed by the government can surpass the influence that consumers have with respect to how they choose to spend their money.

    Media is another form of crack. Once people learn to shed their dependence and actually restrain themselves from acquiring everything that Media, Inc. pumps out, the resulting (hopefully significant) drop in revenue will send a clear message that either the rules of the game will change, or Media, Inc. will just have to settle for what it can scrape together from the smoking pile of wreckage that was one a thriving industry.

  42. Re:Balance. Bah! by Minix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ghandi lead people to collect salt from the Indian Ocean in defiance of the UK salt tax. The UK government arrested 100 people and shot 20.

    Ghandi may have been a pacificist, but he wasn't a pussy.

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    "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt
  43. Free trade must mean... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Funny

    even though you bought something, it's not really yours. So don't even THINK about opening it up and seeing how it works.

    --
    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  44. South America by Damek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look to South America as well. It was chiefly Brazil, along with other South American, Asian, and probably African countries that took a stand at the world trade summit in Cancun last September. The group may not last, but it's the start of what you're talking about.

  45. Re:What?! by Mateito · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are you sure you didn't mean:

    )======\=D

  46. Re:stop drinking the kool-aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a relationship between IP Rights and economic success as a nation.

    Yes, there is. Those which ignore IP rights profit.
    If you don't believe this, look at the history of the American colonies vs England.

  47. Re:stop drinking the kool-aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not technically correct.

    The US grew massively during the early industrial revolution by IGNORING the IP laws of Britain.

    We stole their patented weaving techniques and machines. We copied their methods of making steel. Everything that made us what we are, we borrowed, stole, or copied from Europe. Sure, we improved on it too, but not one cent was spent on 'licensing' it. And of course, with IP laws, they don't HAVE to license it. If the laws were as enforced then as now, England and Germany could have forbid their use, had the WTO exact penalties on us, and essentially keep us as a supplier of grain and cheap labor, and a captive market for their steel and goods.

    ( Interesting fact. Local production of iron was forbidden in the american colonies during colonial rule. All iron was imported, so the british govt and british makers could make a profit off the colonies. The US started as a captive market for British goods. )

    The weaving machines that made England great? US businessmen stole the design. Since paper plans, if intercepted, would cause a international incident, they had a person MEMORIZE their construction.

    All this rampant IP copying allowed the US to change from a agrarian to industrialized economy. Who does this sound like now?

    If you suggest China with its rampant "IP Theft", and incredible GDP increases, you'd be right.

    At least from my example, IP laws merely allow the fat cats to keep being fat cats, and keep developing nations from advancings.

    Where would the US be if we had licensed everything from Germany or England? Where would we be if they had refused to license it?

  48. Re:How 'bout that? [rather offtopic] by Jhan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    [the exception proves the rule]
    Fortunately, the word "prove" in that saying is used in an archaic sense with the meaning of "test" and the implication of "find wanting".

    I always hated that saying. Finding one exception proves there can't possibly be any more?

    I'm swedish, and we have that exact saying, translated very literally from english.
    "Undantaget bekräftar regeln". After reading your post I now realize that the proper translation (and probably the original form) is "Undantaget prövar regeln"

    "Prövar" means "tests". This implies that the exception tests the rule and causes it to fail, just as you said. And of course pröva and prove are obviously related words.

    I will take it upon myself to spread this wisdom to my entire nation. My workmates will probably be extremely bored by my linguistical nitpicking, and will throw small objects at me to make me stop (as always).

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    I choose to remain celibate, like my father and his father before him.

  49. Don't buy the products, it's that simple. by pandrijeczko · · Score: 3, Insightful
    People,

    It's really important not to lose focus over this whole patent/DRM/DMCA issue.

    No matter which country makes what laws, the lowest common denominator for all of them is you and I, the consumer. We are the people that hand over money for these products and if we don't hand over the money, the products don't sell and marketing people start dying from coronaries.

    Whatever you or I do or say now, the fact is that the global corporations have western governments in the palm of their hands through political sponsorship, lobbying and backhanded bribes.

    Added to that, those same corporations, through hype, marketing and advertising, have turned their products into cool or must have products, the possession of which, you are told, somehow elevates you above the rest of the human race who don't own that product.

    As consumers, all we need to do is just get some focus back in our lives and look at the wider picture when we spend our money on products that are heaped with patents & DMCA. I'm not suggesting abstinence (I like gadgets, games and music as much as the next man) but we need to be sure what it is our money ultimately finances before we buy any products.

    I'm in my early forties now and my time for cool and conformity is over. But I look at the generations of people beneath me and I feel sorry for them because the majority seem to have become the puppets of the marketeers - designer clothes, Nike trainers, latest mobile phones, plasticised music - a bottomless pit of disposable income for the corporations.

    Again, I don't want to deny anyone the right to spend their money how they want to but we must keep driving the message home that every time you buy a product, there is a risk that your money ends up limiting someone's freedom - either someone in the Third World's right to a decent income or your own rights to fair usage of products.

    It's only when we grow up as consumers that we can stop buying heavily patented products & force the corporations to change...

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    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
  50. Re:Why copy USA?? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The DMCA sucks, why "harmonize" with it at all?

    Because the USA is currently the single biggest consumer market there is, no government wants to lose trade links with the US and so they all ultimately fear becoming isolated from the US from a perspective of imports & exports.

    The only chance of there being a bigger consumer market is if the EU totally harmonises and becomes a fully-integrated European State - unfortunately, the EU is in a complete shambles because each member nation can veto on just about any resolution knowing full well that once they veto, they risk becoming isolated from the remaining states. While I admire the Netherlands making a stand on EU patent law, for example, they just run the risk of corporations simply refusing to trade with them in the future.

    If the EU was organised enough to make a united stand on software patents, I guarantee they would fail the world over because trade would be hindered where patent law still applied and the EU would have an advantage.

    Unfortunately, all governments are corrupt and financed by back-handers from the corporations so software patents will be enforced in the EU, given time.

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    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
  51. Take it from Canada, don't do it!!!! by rainman_bc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not worth it guys. Free trade with America is not bilateral. In Canada, we're screwed daily by America on issues like Softwood Lumber, Wheat, and fresh water

    We're screwed on our water and forced to export it against our will.

    We aren't allowed to pass legislation on split run magazines.

    If there's an american lobby group that wishes higher prices, they can buy off some congressmen and get trade blocked.

    Free trade with America is a farce. The only goods that flow freely are the goods that aren't protected by American lobby groups.

    They will tie you up in litigation for years before opening up their market to you.

    American Congress is a bunch of industry whores, nothing more.

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  52. Re:Ozzy OS developers should jump the tasman on ma by imroy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I must say that New Zealand is looking better all the time. We've always made jokes about sheep in NZ and their accents. But with our "American arse-kisser" of a PM, the whole fear-mongering "war on terrorism", and now this FTA - NZ isn't looking so bad! It's not far and I have relatives other there. If the DMCA-like and other IP parts of this FTA turns out as bad as we're fearing, I think we will see a large trans-Tasman migration. And not just of IT workers but even whole companies could move their base over.

  53. Hey Australia! by vettemph · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey Australia! SUCKERS!!! signed, Microsoft, Sun, The SCO group, George Asshole Bush and the USPTO.

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    The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you.
  54. Re:We need to buy an island at start the GNU colon by Xabraxas · · Score: 2, Funny
    Anyone know of a large island that is well connected to the Internet?

    Gnu Zealand.

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    Time makes more converts than reason
  55. Fair Use by catwh0re · · Score: 2, Informative
    In Australia we don't have fair use, making it technically illegal to copy music from a cd onto our computers and onto a 3rd party device... however what we don't have is the ARIA suing music listeners, or trying to get products taken off shelves.

    We also have compulsory voting, which does a pretty good job of putting fear in our politicians.

    Coincidently there is an article on smh.com.au detailing how the only legal music we can put on iPod at the moment is the music a user has created. No iTunes music store, and Rip. Burn. Mix. isn't legal here. (With no enforcers.)

  56. Re:We need to buy an island at start the GNU colon by Psyrg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I believe Niue's highest point above sea level is only four metres however... :)

  57. George Bush's amazing ventriloquist act by syousef · · Score: 2, Funny

    Its looks to me like your Mr Bush has been amazing allies, friends and family by shoving his hand up our politician's butts and making them say whatever he wants again...and all without his lips moving too! Oh Mr Bush, you're so talented, and all with such wooden spineless dummies!

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  58. How preferential voting works by evalencia1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's how I used to vote too, but then I learned that that preferences only come into play when none of the parties in contention are able to get >=51% of the vote. If you vote for the minor parties, and give only 2nd or lower preference to Labour, it's possible that Labour will lose simply because they didn't get enough of the first-preference votes. If the Liberal party (they're called Liberal, but really should be "wannabe-Republicans") get 51% of the vote, then it's all over, they win. More info at the Aust Electoral Commission site - http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/what/voting/votes_c ount.htm

  59. It still has to survive our legal system... by riprjak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    (disclaimer, IANAL and my recollection may well be flawed) ...a legal system where the supreme court has already told Big Media to get fucked over the concept of "DVD's are software" and ruled that they are for all legal purposes to be treated indentically to Video movies and, hence, bypassing region coding is LEGAL if it allows a person to view a LEGALLY ACQUIRED movie.

    ie: The Australian Supreme court has already ruled that you can not use the technological methods to obfuscate the actual function of an item; a dvd movie is NO DIFFERENT to a video movie beyond its sound and picture quality.

    The same court ruled region zoning as an unfair barrier to trade. Government legislation CANNOT overturn case law until the legislation itself has been tested in court AFAIK. It has also found that you can do whatever the fuck you like to something you own as long as you dont break the law. Therefore it is legal to chip your PS2 to play Japanese games, but illegal to chip it to play pirated games; as well it should be.

    Our judges here may be fucked up when it comes to dealing with criminal law (rapists and child molesters regularly get non-parole periods that do not exceed their natural lifespan), but are pretty switched on when it comes to managing civil law.

    I dont know where the "no fair use protection" crap comes from either; Fair Use (not by that name) is implicit in Australian civil law, particularly as relates to consumer products. Our copyright law in particular has strong fair use protection.

    The FTA is IMHO (I work in the manufacturing sector and regularly deal with US companies and we crap all over them in terms if flexibility and cost effectiveness, remove tarrifs and our crap is cheaper :) of net benefit to the country and our legal system (and that in the US) should tidy up any sloppy seconds.

    Also, software patents are likely to be a hard sell, once again, IIRC, our Supreme Court has already ruled that software code is a publication protected by copyright law and, therefore, cannot be an invention covered by patent law. I am fairly certain the same is true of mathematical methods, although I could easily be wrong here.

    Anyway, in summary; legislation ISNT law until it passes the courts and I think you will find the FTA itself allows for aspects deemed not legally binding to be overturned in the courts without validating the agreement, our Government is not allowed to make descisions which effect our legal precedent unilaterally, thats why we have separation of the powers between legislature and judiciary.

    just my $0.02
    err!
    jak

  60. Re:We need to buy an island at start the GNU colon by nerk88 · · Score: 2, Funny

    He said large island :-)

  61. Re:Net Effect by Felius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Copyright is not inherently wrong. The GPL could not exist without copyright.

    Patents are not inherently wrong, either. Software patents are.

    I'll go check out your website though..

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