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CA Dangles $1M Bounty for Ingres Conversion Tools

An anonymous reader writes "Computer Associates, on the heels of their announcement that they were moving to the service and support model, hence open sourcing Ingres, is set to announce a $1 million bounty for Ingres conversion tools [the idea being, obviously, to convert to Ingres, rather than away from it]. The bounty announcement coincides with the official announcement of the downloadability of the new, open-source Ingres. An earlier Information Week article rues the passing of Jasmine, which was a great idea, and, although perhaps a few years [maybe a decade?] ahead of its time, still the sort of thing that people like me could sure benefit from. Hint, hint..."

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  1. hmm.. by manavendra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suppose some time ago it would have been ironic that corporations are pushing their products into open source, rather than fighting it... however, now with open source software (and the movement) reaching the critical mass, they can no longer fight the tide, and have decided to ride with it.

    This still made me smile though:
    "Linux has proved you can have a successful commercial business around open source," Barrenechea says. "The innovation model in high tech is no longer constrained to corporations, no longer constrained to universities, no longer constrained to venture capitalists, but now is open to a million developers strong who want to contribute."
    (quote of Mark Barrenechea, senior VP of product development for CA. )

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    1. Re:hmm.. by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Insightful
      however, now with open source software (and the movement) reaching the critical mass

      I have no doubt whatsoever that this will be modded up to +5, insightful. I also have no doubt whatsoever that your statement is bald zealotry. If the current corporate adoption of OSS is what constitutes critical mass (ie a few marginal projects here and there), then continue to welcome our current microsoft overlords..

      more realistically, what CA did is called a no-risk offer. They post some bounty which is worth far less than what true development would cost them plus get some free publicity to book. and if it doesn't work out? well, nothing lost by them.

    2. Re:hmm.. by Clovert+Agent · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Marginal"? Google is marginal? Apache's 67.7% marketshare is marginal? You may have also heard of sendmail. Or bind.

      Outside of background infrastructure there are Linux deployment stories on nearly a daily basis in IT press. Open your eyes - I don't think OSS is remotely "marginal". Still some way from "widespread", never mind "commonplace" or "ubiquitous", but hardly "marginal". Unless you have some new and interesting definition of that term?

      Your no-risk analysis of CA's move is correct, I think - it probably also applies to IBM+Cloudscape to a degree. But painting FOSS as only existing in "marginal projects here and there" is clearly bollocks.

      Critical mass, to my mind, will come when vendors start offering Linux versions of their software by default. I've seen a steady trend away from "oh, you have to use Windows/IE/Exchange" in product announcements (I cover security products - so there's a server slant to what I see), but it's not yet commonplace to have Linux support. Growing, though, and I don't think Microsoft is ignorant of that.

  2. The most incredible thing about this story by evronm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To me, the most amazing thing about this story is that it's not really that big a deal. Sure, it merits the ./ front page, but it really isn't that earth shattering.

    Five years ago, it would have been positively mind blowing! This just shows how far open source has come. And for those of us who have been hawking open source since the 90's, it's truly gratifying to read a story like this, say "Cool, another little win," and move on.

  3. Re:Is THIS the new industry STANDARD? by oliverthered · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, I don't think you understand Business, or a lot of OSS development.

    Given that a Company will use software to increase it's efficiancy and profitability.
    and
    Most oss development is fragmented, written by partimers and could stop being supported at any moment.

    Companies will pay people to keep the projects supported, they can't afford for the product to stop being supported.

    Companies will pay people to taylor the software to there particulat MO, this will give them a competitive advantage over other companies using exactly the same software (say a spread sheet that had extra formular for a branch of math used in a company)

    Companies will pay for people to support the software, and often that means developing new software.

    In the end the Company gains money (interms of competitive advantage and waste reduction) some of which will find it's way to developers.

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  4. Critical mass observation is accurate by Morgaine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the current corporate adoption of OSS is what constitutes critical mass (ie a few marginal projects here and there), then continue to welcome our current microsoft overlords.

    Critical mass and market share are two entirely different things. The fact that open source has only a small marketshare, as measured by the number of commercial applications, does not invalidate the idea that open source has "gone critical", ie. that its mindshare is now so big that it is "exploding" on the software scene.

    The metaphor from atomics isn't all that bad. Free and open source software (minus the labels) have now been around for decades, yet it is only in the last several years that they have appeared on the commercial radar, first as inconsequential, and now as a dire threat. In the world inhabited by Microsoft and friends, this is a real explosion in the software world.

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  5. Re:Is THIS the new industry STANDARD? by ph1ll · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We LOVE CODING too much to do that, so personally we're gonna keep doin what we love and selling it. Helping people with our products has never been fun anyway!

    I'm a coder. I love coding. I've been doing it for years.

    I also love free software and I don't see it as a threat to my livelihood. On the contrary, I think it will provide me with secure employment.

    Why? Because free, OSS software is useless by itself.

    JBoss is free. Tomcat is free. MySQL is free. But they are all worthless to my company until I write code that uses them. These little babies have been making me a good living for the last few years!

    I think OSS will accelerate the movement from software engineering being considered a manufacturing process to being accepted as a service. And I welcome that move.

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  6. can anyone tell us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    how Ingres compares to MySQL, Posgresql, Oracle?

    1. Re:can anyone tell us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Here are a few key Oracle differences:

      - Locking: Oracle supports non-escalating row-level locking. Locks are "internally attributed" and are not a finite resource. (Ingres will escalate locks to the page and table level, as locks are a finite resource.)

      - Consistency: Oracle does not use read locks to enforce non-blocking readers/writers. Oracle's multi-version consistency model supports Read Committed isolation by default and is less cumbersome than Ingres's locking strategy.

      - Clustering: Oracle RAC is a true parallel database. The Ingres "grid" deployment does not support row-level locking, online checkpoints, 2PC, etc.

  7. Re:Lies, damn lies, and ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Don't blame Apache because your management was too cheap to purchase a decent enterprise solution. Apache is used in both ma and pop web sites as well as in the enterprise

    Dude, you missed the point entirely. For starters, mgmt wasn't looking to purchase, we were SELLING an enterprise solution and deciding which web servers to support. And I know that Apache is used top to bottom, the whole point of the reply was to point out that the market share numbers by themselves are useless in many cases because Apache is so widely adopted by so many different levels of users. In the case of our business, what they should have been focusing on was not pure usage numbers, but numbers that related specifically to the market we were trying to reach.