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First Trojan for Windows CE Released

Tuxedo Jack writes "Symantec and The Register are reporting that the first Windows CE trojan horse, known as Brador, has been mailed to Trend Micro. This cannot spread on its own; it must be mailed or transmitted, then opened. Once opened, it opens a TCP port, allowing the remote-controller to connect and establish control over it. As expected, this will most likely be used to make new botnets, and it leads me to wonder: will we soon need firewalls for Windows Embedded?"

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  1. Only a matter of time I guess... by pillageplunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Interesting point that it cannot spread on its own. It appears to be following similar paths to viruses for other OS...start simple, move up in complexity and sneakiness.
    Greaaaaaat.

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    1. Re:Only a matter of time I guess... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      not really.

      The first viruses I saw back in the 80's were 20 times more elegant and amazing. they would actually attach to other programs, chaing the first byte of the software to jump to the end of the program, execute the virus, then run the program. Many would even convince the DOS dir command to lie to the user and show the same filesize as the normal program... even though a user would not really notice the file size change cince many of these viruses were smaller than 1K some less than 500 bytes.

      today we really dont have many viruses but simply mal-ware.... although there are some real viruses out there.

      granted adding network capabilities to a virus is harder, but a simple local filesystem spreader can jump network mounted drives because the OS is happy to make it easy for the program.

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  2. Of course we're going to need firewalls... by Dagny+Taggert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..for CE because, as usual, people will have to patch their CE-based PDA. If desktop Windows is any example, most people won't bother to download security updates, leading to exposure to other damaging varients. I'm sure the brains at Symantec are running in high gear right about now.

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    1. Re:Of course we're going to need firewalls... by SpinyManiac · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is a social engineering exploit in user.exe
      To patch this vulnerability, run the following:

      clueX4.exe /beat common.sense user.exe

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    2. Re:Of course we're going to need firewalls... by thpdg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't forget that with Windows CE, when you do a hard reset, it's like formatting a hard drive. Any updates you have on, will be erased and need to reinstalled. For some users, that would need to happen pretty regularly.
      It's because of this, that most Windows CE updates are in the form of ROM updates, and these don't usually make it to consumers, and when they do, are a pain to install.
      There are ways around it, but Microsoft isn't showing any effort, perhaps now they will. Everytime I reset, I have to install the updates for Pocket MSN and Pocket IE from flash card again.

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    3. Re:Of course we're going to need firewalls... by RevAaron · · Score: 4, Informative

      Good point, if WinCE based machines operate in a network manner the same as desktop Windows. Are they in any way comparable? If you somehow had a desktop running WinCE, would it be comparable to say, a Win XP machine with its networking?

      Short answer: yes.

      Long answer: Pretty much. CE doesn't have the services with ports open that regular Windows does, but otherwise the networking system is very similar in its capabilities. When it's on it's always on. CE is a lot like regular NT/XP in a lot of ways in its capabilities, though it was done from scratch, which benefits it a lot. It has a substantial subset (think Carbon from Mac OS Toolbox) of the Win32 API found in XP.

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  3. Its about time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can you get virus/wormprotection for CE already at all?

  4. This is a Good Thing by wackysootroom · · Score: 4, Funny

    First Trojan for WinCE? Good! Now I won't have all of these little Pocket PCs running around!

  5. diebold. by Neophytus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IIRC everybody's favorite e-voting company Diebold uses CE for their voting machines. I wouldn't be surprised if they used it for their ATMs too. There's a pretty big market to be hit if you can get a worm onto either of those private networks.

  6. first? bullshit. by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    since it doesn't even spread or do anything except accept commands over network I highly doubt that it isn't the first of it's kind.

    and tell me, WHAT GOOD WOULD A FIREWALL DO AGAINST AN _INTENTIONALLY_ INSTALLED BACKDOOR PROGRAM? nothing nada zip zero.. if you _wanted_ to run it which you must(in case of this program) you would want to turn off the fw too, no?

    and built for botnets? no way, are you disconnected with reality? building a botnet with these would be total idiocy.

    and then it's for windows mobile, not ce(yes, a mild difference but difference anyways): " Backdoor.Brador.A will work on Windows Mobile 2003 and only affects ARM-based devices."

    oh and another thing. 99% of the time these devices are behind NAT if they're on network.

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  7. Re:Windows Broken Security Model. by tesmako · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well I would love to hear how all the people posting in this story complaining about the operating system security suggest how to prevent this trojan from working? It does not spread, you have to manually download it or get it in a mail, it does not automatically run, you have to run it yourself, just where is the operating system supposed to look to be able to tell that the user needs to protected from itself?

  8. Not a big deal. by mst76 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the big deal about this, trojans are easy to write for any OS. This particular one opens a listening TCP port, and emails out it's IP address. Since WinCE is a fairly complete OS with a TCP/IP stack and an email client, it's rather obvious that something like this can be written. If they'd discovered a hole that can be exploited without user intervention, that would be big news.

    A possible security weakness of WinCE is that it has no real user and priviledge separation (like Win9x). But what many people who argue for security through priviledge seperation forget to mention is that a standard user (both on NT and Unix) usually has quite a lot of priviledges. You don't need to be root to open ports >1024 or silently send out thousands of emails. Remember, anything YOU can do under a normal user account, a trojan can do as well. So something like this could be easily written for Linux or MacOS. The only security that priviledge separation buys you is that you normally can't change system or other users' files. Since WinCE only supports one user, and the system is in ROM (a hard reset erases all virusses), there is nothing to be gained here.

  9. My Firewall IS running Windows CE by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just got a Belkin 54g ADSL router and have been dismayed by it's annoying habbit of not syncing for hours at a time then deciding to work again. Another ADSL modem works all the time.

    I discovered that the admin interface called up a file with a .exe suffix. Oh oh. That means that the box itself is running some kind of MS software. This probably explains why it behaves in such a flakey manner generally.

    I wonder how long it will be before these so-called firewall boxes are turned into zombies.

    Now Windows is worming its way into more and more embedded appliances people are just having to get used to a lower and lower standard of reliability from devices that never used to crash or get viruses, such as ATM machines, firewall/routers, mobile phones etc.

    I hope consumers and embedded developers become aware of this and stop the rot.

  10. Re:Marketshare isn't an issue either with this by fiftyvolts · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a Mac user, perhaps even a ac zealot, but I'll admit that there are security issues with OS X. First of all no matter what OS you run someone can make a Trojan horse. It's quite easy to write a program that just zaps all your files or something. If you can convince someone to run your code, no matter how many warnings the OS throws up, then you've pretty much got them by the balls so to speak.

    In addition there was on quite scary vulnerability with macs. As you may know when you double click an Icon OS X helpfully tries to figure out how to "do what you mean." It is possible to hide executable code in the data tags on a mp3 that OS X will (helpfully?) run when it is double clicked. If you play it through iTunes it will seem like a regular mp3, but opening it could run malicious code

    I am still of the opinion that windows is swiss cheese when it comes to wholes, but no operating system is immune to duplicity

  11. Re:Marketshare isn't an issue either with this by mst76 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except that this isn't a virus or a worm, it's a trojan. Trojans are trivial to make for any OS that can execute applications. You can probably come up with your own OSX trojan in 30 seconds.