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NASA Gives OK to Fix Hubble Telescope

Erick writes "NASA has decided to rescue the Hubble. This will come as great news to all of those who have advocated for fixing the ailing 'scopes sensors, gyros, etc. The article states that nine to 12 months of planning will precede a mission to the Hubble Telescope."

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  1. Want extra funding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Make it a reality series! I know I'd watch them prepare and fix it.

    1. Re:Want extra funding? by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 5, Funny

      Make it a reality series! I know I'd watch them prepare and fix it.

      Yeah, I second that. Make it like Junkyard Wars or something.

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    2. Re:Want extra funding? by sploo22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, but would average John Doe watch it? Bear in mind that the only way NASA can keep the public interested in the Mars rovers is to play wake-up music for them and give rocks names like "Snout" and "Tarmac". Something tells me that a 3-hour spacewalk to calibrate a spectrometer won't appeal to the lowest common denominator.

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    3. Re:Want extra funding? by Mattintosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Time to scold the mods... This isn't funny. It's practical.

      And for once, there would be a reality show that isn't complete drivel. Hell, even I'd watch it, and I'm one of the few that usually finds watching TV to be painful.

    4. Re:Want extra funding? by rossdee · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought that the space equivalent of Junkyard Wars was the X Prize.

    5. Re:Want extra funding? by AviLazar · · Score: 5, Informative

      As I recall, NASA does have a cable channel where you can observe their missions. I viewed this once, and well - it was VERY boring.

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  2. NASA LIES!!! [partly OT] by bunburyist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't beleive that stuff, Be more cynical. Bush is allocating 1 billion a year for the moon and Mars. Impossible. In return, NASA is being asked to give up the Hubble, the Shuttle, the Space Station (eventually). And funding for all other programs will be cut or eliminated as well, "for the Mars mission". The "Mars Mission" is twenty years in the future. It will have to survive five administrations, ten Congresses, and the eventually bankrupting of the Federal kitty by the tax cuts and increased non-discretionary spending. Point is, the "Mars mission" won't survive. I've watched the space program for thirty-five years, and things like this don't maintain momentum, especially in hard financial times. NASA, I hear, initially was jubilant; now they realize what they are being asked to give up: everything. For a pig in a poke. You are being just cynical enough. This is a way of disbanding the manned program while looking like heros, or "spatial pioneers", as Bush called them (I am not making that up). Five years from now, NASA will be all but gone, with a few contractors making a bit of money researching new systems that never make it to reality. I didn't believe it would happen so fast! Hubble already given up? I only wonder if Bush is smart enough to have thought this up himself, or if his Grand Viziers came up with the scheme while telling George about Mars and "Spatial Pioneers"? Does the King actually believe what he is saying? Is he that dumb, or that smart? And these comments are "flamebait" if you are a far-right whacko, kids. I'm not laughing.

  3. This is awesome... by march · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What we need is more science, less politics.

    On a related topic, for which Hubble was sort of a contributor, check out The Perfect Machine (The Building of the Palomar Telescope).

    1. Re:This is awesome... by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

      What we need is more everything, less politics.

    2. Re:This is awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hi, this is reality and our union would like a word or two.

      Although you may believe that the hot air given off by all the politians in the world is enough to sustain a steady orbit and rotation of our planet it is in fact gravity and momentum which does this, which are scientific principals.

      While valuble in avaiation hot air does not fund research or industry that is economics which is just a fancy branch of mathematics which is .. science again.

      Have a nice day

    3. Re:This is awesome... by QEDog · · Score: 5, Informative
      We've had too many years of wonderfully smart people trying to sell super-colliders to lawyers -- we should have learned something by now.

      The Superconducting Super Collider was canned for political reasons. The congress wanted to crack down on something for budget reasons, and there were 2 big targets: the International Space Station or the SSC. Remeber how each of these projects are a tiny amount of the goverments budgets. They needed to make an example out of one of them to "show" that they were serious about the budget. They cracked on the SSC because it was less "interesting" to the public, even though it was more important scientifically. They were going to look, among other things, for the Higgs Boson. It would have attracted thousands of scientists from around the world.

      Then the same politicians crippled the Space Station by putting it in an orbit that would let them cooperate with Russia, but made it useless for its original purpose. They broke the Space Station for a public show of how happy things are politically with Russia.

      I disagree, we haven't had years of smart people selling super-colliders.

      Basic science is hard to grasp for the general public. What is its application? Who knows? But, the point is that to build new technologies, a good strating point is to understand nature a bit better. Don't forget the basic science, without it the rest wont work itself out.

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  4. Cost vs Risk by meganthom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure that at $1-$1.6 billion to repair the Hubble, many who are not directly affected by the Hubble's latest problems will wonder why we're throwing so much money into something that, to them, is just a big, expensive camera. Personally, I'd like to know what kind of research money we're losing because the Hubble isn't working properly.

    I also fail to see how Mr. O'Keefe, who heads NASA, can postpone shuttle missions citing danger to the astronauts' lives. If it seems imminent that another disaster will occur on the next flight, I would understand, but surely we've found ways to resolve the latest problems. Astronauts don't go into the business of space flight thinking they'll have "safe" jobs, and I would think that as long as they're ready to fly again, the administration would be eager to get them back in space.

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    1. Re:Cost vs Risk by LMCBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      'm sure that at $1-$1.6 billion to repair the Hubble, many who are not directly affected by the Hubble's latest problems will wonder why we're throwing so much money into something that, to them, is just a big, expensive camera.

      I would remind these people that $1 billion souunds like a lot, but it's equal to the cost for 2-3 shuttle launches, and probably not much more than we've spent on previous HST servicing missions. It's certainly far less than has been wasted^W spent on the ISS.

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    2. Re:Cost vs Risk by proj_2501 · · Score: 4, Informative

      three left. you're missing the endeavour

    3. Re:Cost vs Risk by Maestro4k · · Score: 4, Insightful
      • I also fail to see how Mr. O'Keefe, who heads NASA, can postpone shuttle missions citing danger to the astronauts' lives. If it seems imminent that another disaster will occur on the next flight, I would understand, but surely we've found ways to resolve the latest problems. Astronauts don't go into the business of space flight thinking they'll have "safe" jobs, and I would think that as long as they're ready to fly again, the administration would be eager to get them back in space.
      Astronauts do indeed know they have unsafe jobs but it's one thing to die from an unavoidable mishap and another to die from something that should have been avoided. Both shuttle disasters have been proven to be the result of a culture (management culture at least) that tried to cut corners and costs even in the face of facts showing doing so could lead to loss of life (which it did, both times.) Frankly I really doubt NASA's culture has changed, if the shuttle goes back up it will be only a matter of time until we lose another one and it will most likely be due to avoidable error(s) (again). I fully support space travel/research but I also support the delays of starting up the shuttle program again. The only thing I'm worried about is if NASA will EVER be able to safely fly the shuttle, or anything else for that matter. I'm afraid that buracracy has taken over and NASA will never be able to avoid the avoidable risks since that might cost a few more dollars. (And yes I know not all risks can be avoided but there are risks that should not be taken when they're fixable -- like the problems in the O rings that caused the Challenger disaster.)
    4. Re:Cost vs Risk by Epistax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well personally I'd rather see the money go towards space elevator development. The sooner that is done, that $1-$1.6 billion to repair the Hubble will decrease significantly. Even if it requires a manned crew that must launch separately a lighter craft can be used (once developed) to get people into space.

      On a side note I think that should be a project to go alongside the space elevator: A bare-bones launcher made just to hold astronauts, life-support, and creature comforts. Let the "shuttle" then go Lego style over pieces sent up by the elevator, potentially becoming enormous.
      Oh yes, and I hope we have the best of the best of the best working on this project or else we'll just be throwing money down the drain.

    5. Re:Cost vs Risk by jridley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I'd like to know what kind of research money we're losing because the Hubble isn't working properly.

      Are you talking about the spectrograph that broke last week? Hubble was working perfectly up to that point.

      Agree with you on the weak-kneed approach to space exploration. If we don't want to risk any more lives, then we should get the hell out of space. And also out of sea exploration, defense, and about 99% of what humans do.

      It's a dangerous world; we must decide whether to face it or crawl into a hole. O'Keefe apparently is more interested in public relations than doing what the agency is chartered to do.

    6. Re:Cost vs Risk by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't this kind of like saying: We should give up all of our road maintence/construction budget and spend it all on the development of flying cars? Most people I talk to don't think a space elevator will be practical for decades (if ever). People need to do science now, not 50 years in the future.

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  5. Secret documents reavel the future of Hubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google's IPO is actually so they can BUY Hubble from the United States. This will allow them to index the entire UNIVERSE! Imagine being able to search Space!

    Oh, and they'll be renaming Hubble to Huugle.

  6. Re:More Money Down the Drain by Sammich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nevermind the fact that the entire space industry puts AMERICANS to work. So when people have money (from working and not being on unemployment) they can buy items thus boosting the economy back up...oh wait never mind money down the drain Mod me down if you like, I don't care anymore.

  7. Good for Nasa by the_crowbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As an armchair astronaut (is there such a thing?) I applaud NASA's decision to keep the Hubble Space telescope operational. I have been fascinated over and over again by the images it produces. I think it may be one of the things that can keep NASA in the public eye and help it to get funding for more space exploration. I just hope that the repairs go well.


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  8. Someone's finally making sense... by solive1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is great news. The Hubble is one of our greatest scientific instruments. Without it or a suitable replacement, the effort to learn more about the universe would be left flapping around like a fish out of water.

  9. Thank God! by JessLeah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is WONDERFUL news! It's interesting how NASA has kept saying "We'll just let the Hubble de-orbit" while maintaining a "head in the sand" attitude about its replacement. The scientists who rely upon Hubble need it now as much as ever (if not more than ever), but NASA has seemingly ignored them. Oh, I am so happy to hear that they've finally come to the right decision!

    I mean, why should we deorbit Hubble if it doesn't already have a replacement up there?! Doesn't make sense.

  10. Great, but... by Ed+Burnette · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad that Hubble will be repaired but I fail to comprehend why it has to be by robots. It's in near Earth orbit! If we can't send humans to near Earth orbit then we have no business sending them to, say, Mars.

  11. Even Discovery by halothane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even Discovery Channel perpetuates the same error.

    Hubble's replacement, the James Webb Space Telescope, isn't scheduled to be launched until at least 2011.

    James Webb can't replace the Hubble. They see at different wavelengths. Webb can't even be reached once launched, let alone be repaired.

    I know people here at /. know these things, but to see even so-called science channels misleading the public is disheartening.

    1. Re:Even Discovery by lildogie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Even Discovery Channel perpetuates the same error.

      Yeah, in between documentaries about the Bermuda Triangle and Area 51.

  12. Where's our priorities? by milgr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nasa will send plenty of missions to continue constructing the ISS. But, how much scientific information do we gain from the ISS? As I understand it, most of the work currently done on the ISS is maintaining the ISS.

    The Hubble on the other hand has a proven track record of sending back fascinating images that have advanced the astro-sciences.

    There are no plans to replace Hubble with a space based telescope that takes images in the visible wave lengths.

    So, where are we sending astronauts?

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  13. Re:Cool by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing gives me more pride than to see a project for which I was a team leader for stay in the game against all odds.

    I'm sure all the astronomers of the world thank you. Someone had to be in charge of catering.

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  14. Re:You're fired... by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why would she implode? If she were exposed to the vacuum of space, I could see her lungs bursting (exploding) if she tried to hold her breath, but I would figure that every fluid in her body would boil away, and that's what would kill her.

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  15. Soyuz rocket prepared w/ Windex and screwdriver by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 5, Funny

    In related news, a Russian Soyuz rocket was prepared for the Hubble repair mission. In an effort to cuts costs on the project as much as possible, NASA officials are using the Russian-made space vehicle to facilitate the mission.

    Additionally, NASA will supply the two astronauts assigned the project a bottle of Windex and a roll of Bounty paper towels to clean the Hubble optics. If the budget permits, a Philips head screwdriver and one of those fancy Sears/Craftsman "GRIP" wrenches will also be thrown in to the duffle bag the astronauts are carrying with them for the flight.

    IronChefMorimoto

  16. Amazin by Nuttles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is amazing news to hear considering the current political atmosphere of the country. George W. Bush may want to gain favor with the scientific community quickly in order to get some more support for his reelection. Since the project will take 3 years George W. could scrap it after the election to go for more ambitious and prestigious plan that will bolster up his presidency. So, if George W. Bush gets reelected, I think there is a chance that this project gets scrapped. Now if Kerry gets elected, there may be a ?weeding? of all things Bush and it may get scrapped that way too. So, given our current political atmosphere, I do not think that the fixing of the Hubble is a sure thing

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  17. Fix the old, replace with new? by Apollo+Jones · · Score: 4, Informative

    Great news that NASA will seek to keep the Hubble up and working. Sounds like NASA will be able to schedule a service mission in about 3 years (with one of those years just planning). However, I am a little worried that there is not a lot of press covering its replacement - the James Webb Space Telescope. This isn't scheduled to be launched until 2011. The extension of Hubble closes the gap between current and future platforms. Interestingly Webb has a mission life of 5 - 10 years. In contrast Hubble was launched in 1990 and will be in use for at least another 3-4 years. Let's hope NASA is being conservative in their estimate of the duration of the Webb...

  18. Re:More Money Down the Drain by bhima · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Just to put things into perspective: Hubble launched in 1990 at a cost of $1.5 billion to build and put into orbit.

    It costs about 300 million every year to operate (for a total cost of four billion two hundred million) so I would guess about 6 billion dollars so far. Using various web resources I estimate US military spending for the same time period to be three trillion four hundred seventy-four billion four hundred million.

    So I estimate that Hubble cost 1/579.1 of what what is spent on the US military

    (thanks google calculator)

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  19. Great by condensate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hubble is one of the most fruitful scientific projects ever. Since the nineties, it has continuously shaped our view of the universe, think, e.g. of the Hubble deep field. Besides, it is still the only way astronomers can take a peek into space (in the visible part of the spectrum) without having to accept athmospheric disturbances. That is, it is still our sharpest eye out there and will surely help in bringing us some great science. Thanks a lot, NASA!

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  20. Re:Overused quote of the day by Apollo+Jones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I happened to notice this, and for once felt the need to say it really is from Mahatma Gandhi. Just an off-topic FYI.

  21. Not so fast.... by global_diffusion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This sounds to me like a stalling tactic, not like NASA is actually going to fix the Hubble. Think about it:

    They have 9-12 months to design a robotic space mission. Then how many years will it take to build it and implement it? By the time this "mission" is underway, Hubble will have been floating dead in space for years and will probably have tons of other problems that will make this mission obselete.

    This sounds more like a way to funnel money to people studying robotics than a way to save the Hubble. An interesting thing to do would be to see which companies are supposed to develop these robotics and what connections they have to the administration.