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Smart Glass Blocks Infrared - But Only When It's Hot

klevin writes "New Scientist has an article about a new way of making sheets of glass so they block infrared energy at temperatures above 29C (84.2F). Just so long as it doesn't have to get that hot on both sides of the glass. My AC comes on way before 84F. I suppose that with double or triple paned glass, you'd only treat the exterior pane."

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  1. Safe? Lifespan? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    However, a number of issues still need to be overcome. Firstly, the substance is not permanently fixed to the glass. Also, the coating itself currently has a strong yellow tint.
    Anyone know toxicity of Vanadium dioxide? How would it hold up to acid rain (H2S) and what byproduct is likely if it comes away and combines with other compounds. (Remember the good old days when car brake pads were asbestos and people pissed about asbestos being in the vents, but didn't realize the city air was awash with it?) What kind of lifespan will it have under nominal outdoors conditions, including periodic cleaning?

    How's that yellow tint going to look where indoor light is already greenish from fluorescent lighting? Will we walk outside and everything will look pink or purple? Fun!

    Hopefully in three years they'll give some answers to these questions and more. I've got a couple windows, but we've got no air conditioning and the heat reflects off an earthen bank, most of the heat comes through the walls.

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  2. can be used in cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If this technology comes out, a good application is to use it in cars (especially in hot areas).

  3. Dye to change the color? by tmasssey · · Score: 3, Interesting
    According to the article, they want to add dye to get it to 'change color'. Given the subtractive properties of such a dye, won't that cause the glass to let in less light, just like the tinting they're trying to replace?

    I don't see how you *add* dye to get the coating to let in the light that the coating is currently blocking...

  4. Speaking of cars by AndyChrist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The yellow tint issue would have to be definitively solved before this stuff could be used on vehicles, due to some states not allowing certain colors of window tinting (red and yellow, probably reasoning that that would lower the visibility of emergency vehicles and caution lights).

  5. recycle by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about some electronics grounding that vanadium dioxide? If set up right, when the VO2 transitions to "metallic" above 29C, the panel's photoelectric effect could harness the solar power now more highly available. That in turn could power other devices, like awnings, vent covers, or even fans, to mitigate the heat, using the sun's power against itself.

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    1. Re:recycle by WOV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's too darn hard. I just came off of reading NREL's annual report on the research they're doing to bring down the costs on existing PV materials (silicon, CIGS, TIO2, etc.,) and it's more than enough to make me not want to "reinvent the wheel" on another niche PV compound.

      Better to take existing PV and incorporate it into a window made of something else if you want to do some active cooling. In fact, I wish I could find a good link, but I know that Audi does this with the sunroof on their "warm weather package" models - thin-film PV in the glass of the roof powers fresh air fans behind the headliner when the car is parked, so that you don't have to get into such a heinously hot car when it's been outside for a while. (or burn the gas to run your AC at "Max" for 15 minutes.)

  6. Buildings as giant heat syncs by Anztac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is wonderful, and a step in the right direction to be sure. I was actually just pondering if this kind of thing was possible the other day. Unfortunatly, buildings are still made like huge heat syncs. This is because a flat surface has a very poor surface area to volume ratio, other sky scraper shapes, such as cylinders, are even worse. R. Buckminster Fuller explains this in his Critical Path. What really elucidates this is he says if we theoretically covered all the buildings from 20th to 80th St, I think it was, in Manhatten with one large dome we would decrease the surface area exposed to the elements by a factor of 84. Consequently, it would take 1/84th of the energy to heat and cool the environment.

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    1. Re:Buildings as giant heat syncs by paulthomas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're right on as far as domes being the way to go. Case in point: The German parliament building.

      The Reichstag in Berlin was recently renovated to put a huge glass dome on top of the existing structure. The dome doesn't cover it but merely sits on top. Running from the very top of the dome to the parliament floor is a funnel which is optimized to move hot air out via convection.

      You can actually go to the top of the dome and stand at the opening to the funnel and feel all the warmth. This is combined with traditionally cooling for a very economic effect.

      It's also a really cool looking building and a must see if you ever find yourself in Germany.

  7. Re:Temperature of Glass by Tranzig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually everything else in the room hit by the sunlight get way beyond 84F before either the window glass or the air inside the room. They start to radiate and heating up the air, much sooner than glass. And a typical window glass has neligible surface connection with other material than air and air has poor heat conduction and storage (sorry I don't know the exact English name of these physic attributes) capabilities, I think it is an educated guess that glass gets hot slower than air, thus this temperature boundary can be a real issue. (Though I have never made such measurements.)

  8. It should work by DarthTeufel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've worked in the glass industry for over three years, acutally for one of the direct competitors of the people (Pilkington) who came up with this. Coating glass almost always (90% of the time) requires an insulated (two lites of glass) unit. The coating goes on the inner surface because it is easy to scratch the coating off, and since its a near vaccum inside insulated units they don't have to worry about what ambient conditions will do to the coating. Now the yellow tint will be a non-issue come production time. It realy will be either applying it to glass that is already tinted to cancel out the yellow or they'll modify the formula to get it to appear clear. And the fact that it eventually wears out will either be adjusted for in the R&D process (not likely, too expensive), or offering some kind of warranty on it. It is cheaper to re-produce because of the scale of glass plants, than it would be for the R&D to get another year or two of useful life. The process of coating itself is very very interesting. They pretty much ionize particles to bond at a molecular level to the glass. It's a niche field, but one that is very lucrative because there are not that many people in it. And as far as costs are concerned, it should be rather cheap. Glass itself costs around 1-5 cents (US) per squarefoot. A float glass plant produces around 650 tons of glass a day. The process is really really efficient.

  9. Roof gardens. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Tokyo, law requires large buildings to have roof gardens to prevent the roofs from getting so hot. Plants will use that energy to grow, instead of letting that energy hit concrete, metal, etc and become heat. Its estimated that tokyo would be 10 degrees hotter on average without the roof gardens.

    1. Re:Roof gardens. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's the American Way. Buy cheap crap, then spend even more money to fix or replace it. It's why ultra-cheap inkjet printers (with their absurdly priced replacement cartridges) are so popular. I got a laser printer instead, which only costs a penny or two per page, so I'm UnAmerican.

  10. block by reflecting or absorbing? by nicknicknick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article just says "blocks" If the glass blocks by absorbing IR then this would be a problem in double pane windows. The outer pane (or is it lite?) would become dramatically hotter and would expand more than inner one. This could break the seal between the two sheets and release any enclosed gas (argon fill is commonly used to reduce convective currents that transfer heat) as well as allow moisture in causing fogging. This was apparently a problem with some do it some do-it-yourself window tints. I don't know much chemistry but they say it's metal-like above transition temp so maybe that means it reflects. BTW I have now idea why Argon would reduce convective currents. Anyone know? I just know that lower convection is a property of heavy gasses