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An anonymous reader writes "Technology Review has a great article discussing how pretty, user-friendly Linux desktops, cheap machines sold at stores such as Wal-Mart, and the growth of useful free software like Open Office have made Linux a 'key business risk' for our friends in Redmond. The story notes that Linux's market share for desktop computers has already surpassed Apple's. Says the Open Source Initiative's Eric Raymond, 'The sinister plan for world domination is right on schedule.' All right!"

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  1. Join the Revolution by a3217055 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny how Linux from Walmart which itself is a large corporation may help fight the software giant Microsoft is. How ironic where the revolution comes from.

    1. Re:Join the Revolution by darien · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm afraid Wal*Mart doesn't give a fuck about the revolution - it's pursuing its own agenda, and it doesn't much care if MS prospers or dies except insofar as that might affect its own bottom line.

      But there is, I have to admit, something of the invisible hand about it.

    2. Re:Join the Revolution by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ironic? One giant, low-cost corporation seeks a market opportunity left open by a giant, high-cost corporation. Sounds like everyday business to me...

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    3. Re:Join the Revolution by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That makes it even better! Wal*mart DOESN'T give a flying fuck about Linux or Open Source or Free (tm) Software! They're "supporting" Linux because it's better for them (ie cheaper).

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    4. Re:Join the Revolution by misleb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is a sign that the "revolution" is just as corrupt as Microsoft itself. I'm not proud to have Walmart on my "side." Walmart is just as evil as Microsoft... just in a different industry.

      I my opinion all this Linux vs. Microsoft stuff is stupid. I mean, it is useful to make a technical comparison to decide which is the best or preferable tool for the job, but do we really need to turn this into a war? I use Linux almost exclusively at work and at home because it works for me, not because it might be a thorn in Microsoft's side.

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    5. Re:Join the Revolution by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Linux is going to win for economic reasons. Microsoft's ridiculous profit margins are drawing competition like moths to a flame. Wal-Mart has made a living out of low margin retailing, and they obviously see an opportunity to undercut the rest of the hardware OEMs by offering computers without Windows. The fact of the matter is that removing "the Microsoft tax" from the price of PCs is good for the entire computer industry (except for Microsoft, of course). Non-natural monopolies are very hard to maintain over time. The invisible hand of the market is simply working overtime to route around Microsoft.

  2. thats just the start of it. by torpor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that humble little vmlinuz can run on tons of things. sure, desktops got everyones eyeballs and twitchy middle finger all wrapped up, but linux computers don't need an interface. at all. in order to do Real Work.

    no, i'm not just talking about beouwulfs and the like, i mean things like vending machines, HVAC control, ticketing systems, etc...

    (embedded linux is where microsoft is going to have fight our lead...)

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  3. Lindows? by Davak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is lindows (aka linspire) the real salvation of linux? A pretty graphical interface? High processor requirements? A prioritary installation process?

    How is this better than windows again?

    What is we really just teach people how to do unix correctly?

    Davak

    1. Re:Lindows? by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is lindows (aka linspire) the real salvation of linux? A pretty graphical interface? High processor requirements? A prioritary installation process?

      It depends on your definition of "salvation". Personally I don't think Linux needs to be saved from anything. It's doing what it does well already.

      People seriously believe that Linux is ready for the desktop and should compete side by side with Windows. By bundling a proprietary installer, rip-off applications and accessories we aren't "saving" Linux we are feeding it straight to the devil.

      How about we teach people to use what is right for their particular needs? Unix does what Unix does best. Windows does what Windows does best. Yes, you can make either one do what you want after tweaking, fooling, etc, but on the face they both do their intended purposes best out of the box. That's my HO and I am sticking to it.

    2. Re:Lindows? by drewmca · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that kind of asinine tech elitism is exactly what has held linux back. 90% of the people in the world don't care about using unix "correctly". They want a computer to work the way they want it to work, which means it shouldn't get in the way. You don't need to be a plumber to use a toilet, why should you need to be a unix guru to use a computer? While happily churning away at vi or emacs or whatever your poison is may make you feel very proud of what you've learned and superior to the masses, you're actually stuck in interfaces and computing paradigms that are dictated more by technical limitations than the "proper" way to do things.

  4. So... by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...finally an article asserting what many, many people have been saying for quite some time.

    Now all that "we" need to do is to go through and find things that need to be improved upon. Don't get me wrong, I still configure most of my stuff at the command line, and I believe that everything should be configurable from the command line, but it might not be a good idea to get GUI configuration to work for all user-level functions (including hotplug USB and firewire) so that Joe Schmoe or Grandma doesn't have to try to use a command line to plug in and get pictures off of a digital camera, or access a USB memory device, or hook up the new printer.

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  5. The tagline says it all by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Preaching to the choir"

    This article is basically just - pardon the expression - a circle jerk. Or, at best, inviting flamebait. What is there to discuss - that Linux is improving in the marketplace? Or that it's becoming more of a threat to Microsoft?

    Mod the article -1, Redundant.

  6. True inroads to the desktop market.... by MarkEst1973 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Once someone learns to use a computer with {Win/Mac/Linux OS}, they will likely never change.

    Selling ridiculously cheap machines that automagically do everything (connect to the internet, read pics from your digital camera, etc.) will capture a large share of newbies that do not yet own a computer. If these people never change their OS too, then we will see an increase in Linux desktops.

    Easy is the key. Price is secondary but extremely important.

    MS has no where to go but down. That's one of the disadvantages of having a monoply.

  7. compatibility by giampy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To put it very shortly, i think interoperability with the windows world (e.g samba & wine) is still the key to gain more users especially in offices.

    If i buy one of these PCs, and i put it in my win2k based office, i should be able to print and share files without any RTFM ...

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  8. Re:Of course it'll srupass apple by danamania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think we'll have a big slaughter of Windows market share as they continue to not-get-Linux, and then things will REALLY get interesting. I don't believe for a second that MS is going to go down, down, down and just drop off the face of the planet.

    A few years after longhorn is released, when the market is closer to 50/50 for linux/windows machines, and MS will be forced to actually do things better just to survive.

    There's a lot in the way of human resources at microsoft, and that could create some dang good stuff - given the need to, when there's a giant penguin huffing down your neck.

  9. Re:Linux vs. Windows by Stevyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I saw the headline and I slapped my forehead. I think we have a linux vs windows flamewar about 3 times a week here.

    Just equate linux vs windows with car transmissions. Linux is like a manual, it's $300 cheaper, slightly longer learning curve, gives you more control, but the people who get it are unique because they like to drive.

    Whatever you use your computer for, just be productive and the issue of operating system becomes irrelevant.

  10. $278 for a working PC by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Hmmm, if I get this straight then these machines are like the iMac. Well apart from the looks and price of course. Do they come with a monitor?

    So what sold the iMac? Was it the looks and people didn't care about the price? Or was it that you turned the iMac on and you had a working pc that you never touched the insides of and rarely installed new software on?

    These walmart PC's are cheap and all and perhaps Linspire is good at providing a Mac like, no hazzles, experience. Linux can be hard when you are installing it on unknown hardware but that is not the case here, Walmart does the install and they decide the hardware.

    Anyone wanting to do something "extra" like gaming with these PC's is going to be in for a rude suprise. Even the few commercial linux games that exist won't run to well on this. Then gain XP won't run on this. 128mb? HAHA. Linux can do that, windows? 3.1 maybe.

    So is there a market for this kinda cheap PC? You can use it to download music and movies and watch them. Mplayer is far superior to anything MS ever developed (install mplayer and you will never even need to know about divx xvid or any codec) and properly installed users could have a very easy time. IF all they want is a working desktop for "light" work/entertainment.

    This may be real inroad for linux. Don't sell linux. Sell a working internet PC.

    Now all that remains is to find out sales figures AND more importantly update figures. How many machines remain linux and how many get a windows install on them?

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  11. Irony by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Funny how Linux from Walmart which itself is a large corporation may help fight the software giant Microsoft is. How ironic where the revolution comes from.

    How ironic that the same people who preached that quantity != quality, and that linux was better despite less marketshare, are now hooting about how they've surpassed Apple's marketshare. Why does it matter? I thought it wasn't important...

    How ironic that the same people who have moaned and bitched about monopolies are now making jokes about an ultimate goal of "world domination".

    I don't want to live in a world where everyone uses Linux. I don't want to live in a world where everyone uses Macs. I don't want to live in a world where everyone uses Windows. I want to live in a world where people are not locked into one platform, and are free to choose the tool that suits them best. My only objection to MS, really, was their strong-arm tactics to keep Linux, BSD, etc from even getting their foot in the door with PC manufacturers. There has been quite a bit of progress in that department ("secure" PC collusion between MS and BIOS companies notwithstanding) which is why the Linux-specific server vendors are now struggling; there's no market for them, because you can buy a Gateway, Dell, HP, or IBM certified to run at least one distribution of Linux, complete with hardware tools for monitoring and whatnot.

    1. Re:Irony by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I agree. Personally, I don't even mind paying for software, and I don't mind that much if I don't get the source code.

      My number 1 priority is open protocols.

      In business, I want to be able to get data from point a to point b. I don't want to have to buy something to do it, or rely on someone else to do it.

      I also want the option to read the data from anywhere, and replace someone's tool with someone else's tool when it suits me, or write my own to use said data.

      However, only two things will aid this - open source, or a well distributed market (like half a dozen word processor makers).

    2. Re:Irony by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I want to live in a world where people are not locked into one platform, and are free to choose the tool that suits them best.

      How exactly could you be locked into the Linux platform? You may create your own FooBarix derivate, or interface perfectly with it (since all the code is public) using any other system.

      If Linux can gain world domination by simply being *that much better than all the rest*, then I don't see the problem. Do you?

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