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Craig and his List
Schlemphfer writes "The San Francisco Chronicle has published a long interview with Craig Newmark of Craigslist. The interview covers topics like running a business with a moral compass, hiring people while finding leadership to grow a website, and last week's eBay purchase of 25% of the site."
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in comes ebay, and... craig's moral compass starts to swing wildly!
...and he's ugly.
Seriously! Read the casual encounters section. I wonder if that really works. If you were a guy who was looking for BJs from a transexual, craigslist would seriously be your mecca.
Another funny thing is there are always a lot of posts like "Gay dude seeks straight male for discreet oral -- No reciprocation." To each his own and all, but I can't imagine that being successful.
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However, are cars or arms used mostly for illegal smuggling of media? While I know that p2p is great for downloading legal stuff, the majority of people using it are downloading illegal things.
Craig uses only Linux PCs and a linux PDA.
Anyways, back to the subject at hand: Craig said they didn't really promote Craigslist... yet now it's so huge they even charge for job listings in certain cities(that's how they get all their money). Wow. This is really showing how the web can really be a great place for community building an etc.
The interview's long but it's well worth reading. Craig touches up on how he will work with the eBay fraud people to find new ways to combat fraud now that Craigslist is getting bigger (and hopefully better).
Note the referral link in parent's comment. He tried to disguise it so we won't notice. I suggest modding parent down.
Q: A former employee of Craigslist sold 25 percent of the firm to EBay Friday. Did you try to stop this?
A: We tried to channel it toward a partner we could live with, with a similar moral compass. It was not my intention to have any of this happen, but we're happy with the results.
In other words:
A: Yeah, it really blows. Because we still have business morals, where eBay don't have much. We'd have prefered a partner with some morals left, but now they're stuck their foot in our doors, hey, I guess eBay is really really great after all...
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
OMG!!! CENSORSHIP!!! How can Congress let something like this happen?!?!?!
While I know that p2p is great for downloading legal stuff, the majority of people using it are downloading illegal things.
Yup, I just used it to download a kilo of grade A coke from Colombia...I love the internet!
I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
Ridiculous. The only way for an organization of individuals to have any sort of lasting "moral compass" is to dilute power among it members. There is a practical method for this, it's called democracy. In business circles it's called a cooperative.
Anything else will fall apart or centralize to the point of paralysis.
A heirarchical organization has only the "moral compass" of the fellow at the very top - not much of a moral compass.
It is quite amusing (well disheartening actually) these days to watch all these "internet activists" attempt to recreate (in complete ignorance) what syndicalists were doing over a century ago.
This article restored my faith in the "google" philosophy, Craig is doing the right thing and not selling out. Until reading this in-depth interview I interpreted the story earlier this week implying Craig had sold out. On the contrary, it turns out a former employee with 25% (closely held) shares sold them independently which is a whole lot different from Craigslist negotiating a sale to eBay.
/. readers read the entire interview (warning, its long, but hey, its Sunday morning...). My faith in (as Craig calls us) nerds is restored. We gotta make a living but we don't have to sell out.
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Its a long shot to think that eBay could expand to include a highly regional business. My guess is its not likely to happen, but if it does I may take another look at eBay. In the mean time, Craigslist meets all my needs and after reading the article I an reassured that they match my philosophical views too. Like Google, doing simple very well can be fair and also profitable.
When will you late model 7xx.xxx Slashdroids learn...
The grandparent post was a fucking troll, the parent fell for it, and you fell for it too. Way to go teenage-boy, that really shows intelligence right there.
The issue is not who has the power to act, but rather to whom the actors are accountable. A hierarchy works fine, indeed far better, than a committee, so long as there are adequate checks on the hierarchy.
As to decision-making by committee, the problem is that "None of us is as dumb as all of us." Consensus will almost never equate to moral decisions. This is one of the reasons why the United States operates under a constitution that strips the power of the majority to act in certain areas -- precisely because MORAL conduct often requires sacrificing the will of the many for the benefit of the few.
I've used Craig's List in order to seek investment capital for a new company. I've received more responses from my posting on the list then any other attempt.
Does anyone have any statistics on the amount of page views or posts per day?
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If you ever wonder if Craigslist has either sold out our lost the grassroots huminity that makes it so great, just read a couple of posts from the Best of Craigslist. There is some stuff in there that at times is even funnier than the Onion.
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h i/33677778.html">RANT: Fucking BUGS in my FUCKING apartment</a>
d c/32712878.html">I didn't bust a nut because of your dog </a>
y c/31655693.html">Goddammit you stole my ho bag </a>
A few of my favorite recent posts:
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Craigslist. All class.
"The Wright brothers were the first to fly with a heavier-than-air machine, but boy did they have a lousy plane"
lame filter.
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Go to Craigslist and click on the listings for Erotic Services, and you'll find hundreds of listings for "escorts", "massage artists", or plain and simple prostitutes who aren't hiding beyond another title. Around the same time each month, there are a number of posts for women seeking to raise rent money, and not by working at the local supermarket.
Sure, one can say that Craig's List is just the middleman, holding a forum and all, but when they have a section specifically for "Erotic Services", I'm less then sympathetic with that argument.
Craigslist has a "moral compass" when it has categories like "men seeking men", "women seek women", and "casual encounters"? And every other job ad, in some cities, is for a nude model? And Craig himself is thrilled to have the SF mayor pronounce Oct. 10 as Craiglist Day, when the mayor spits at the law? Sounds to me like the "moral compass" is pointing south.
Do people want businesses to be founded by good people? It happens _all the time_. Most businesses are created by good, decent people. They give other people jobs. Even Craig himself says, in the interview, that one of the best things you can do is give someone a job. Businesses do that for people _all the time_.
Craigslist has/had its problems but it has become an institution here in NCAL. It is so hugely popular that people try selling their castoffs for incredibly high prices -- two-year-old laptops for a couple of hundred more than when they were NEW. And because the ads are free, nothing is lost. A poster, f'rexample, has advertised the same 1983 650cc motorcycle for $2500 every other day for nearly two years. Craisglist is, to me, a free spam area as well as a public, community service. Myself, I have bought several motorcycles (one FREE) and two laptops, a mobo/CPU combo, and the odd PC network card and CD-burner through CL over the years.
/., there is no moderation as such of their forums, and mostly no registration needed either, flame wars, OT posts, misinformation, etc. abound.
.com can own a .org. Or am I missing something?
NB: I believe it is a credit to Craig's readers that the overpriced motorcycle has NOT been sold!
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"Craig is a coder" is the `explanation in the feedback forum. He bu8ilds what people ask for or seem to need, and pays little attention to the way his service is used.
If EBay can buy into Craigslist, can't someone sell shares of Debian (if there are any) to MS?
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From everything I've heard PayPal has improved markedly since eBay bought it.
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Actually, the grandparent was a troll, the parent was ALSO a troll, and we've all been had because now it's a huge thread...
i vaguely remember some spat that an ex-craigslist employee had with the rest of the org, a few years ago. this was right about the time that they briefly changed the name to listfoundation.
the ex-employee/partner/whatever created a splinter site (a fork!) in a lame attempt to take over craiglist's role on the net. I wonder if this is the same person who sold their 25%.
Anyone have any idea (or heard any rumors) as to how much this 25% stake was sold for? Does craigslist really make that much money that eBay cares?
Craigslist has ALWAYS had the Google philosophy--Do what's good for the community--Everything you do comes back to you. People helping people. I was shocked too about the 25% sell but knew it couldn't be Craig wanting it. If that were the case, he could have sold out for millions of $$$ and retired in style and luxury during the dot com boom. Instead he's just barely or just comfortably paying the bills for running the website via fees from job ads.
I recommend /. readers read the entire interview (warning, its long, but hey, its Sunday morning...). My faith in (as Craig calls us) nerds is restored. We gotta make a living but we don't have to sell out.
Amen.
Its a long shot to think that eBay could expand to include a highly regional business. My guess is its not likely to happen, but if it does I may take another look at eBay.
i'll never take another look at ebay as long as some scam seller from Romania, Russia, Indonesia or Nigeria can hide behind his computer while ebay does very little to stop him from coming back again & again to scam others AND ebay can trap me with legalese ("you bid so you have to pay") into sending $$ to the scam seller because i pressed the "buy it now" button and "won."
The 25% buy by ebay of craigslist looks like another way ebay is trying to make themselves "smell" better without too much ODOR to gain a better reputation for "safety" with the public.
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Why?
You only get credit if someone actually joins, and it costs you nothing... he wins, costs you nothing. Yes, he should disclose it, but...
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One thing I haven't noticed folks saying is this: eBay now has their toes into the inner workings of CL. They'll see how it's done. Then, one day, they'll announce a series of city-centered services that compete with CL. They'll undercut CL's prices in the three cities in which CL charges, and provide lots of bang for all the cities.
CL will then wither, over months or years. eBay has the cash to run a loss while CL dies (in a plausibly deniable way: "hey, we didn't kill it, we were a minority share-holder" and lost money too).
I'd rather this happened without this interim step. Having eBay touching CL is irritating, like sand in my bathing suit.
And I feel sorry for Craig. I suspect this is the beginning of the end for this chapter in his life.
I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there. -- Richard Feynman