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Mozilla Releases Mozilla Sunbird 0.2
Gentu writes "Along with the new Mozilla-Japan initiative and the release of Mozilla 1.8a3 today, the Mozilla team released the first 'official' beta release of Mozilla Sunbird, version 0.2, a stand-alone calendaring application (similar to Apple's iCal). There are two flavors of this project, one that works as a ~700 KB plugin to Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla (titled Mozilla Calendar) and the ~8 MB stand-alone calendaring application, Mozilla Sunbird (rate the apps over at GnomeFiles.org). These builds are the first to feature a new default theme, a new logo and the customizable toolbar functionality. Note that Sunbird is still an experimental technology preview that contain bugs, but it is pretty stable."
Do they intend to totally confuse everyone?
For fun, calculate how much DDT would be lethal for you!
I'm long looking for a Open-Source Calendar application that can re-use 6 years Palm Desktop history of addresses, events and notes. I hope they soon get the import facility for Palm Desktop files, as well as connectivity to PocketPC, Zaurus etc...
Most of these mozilla applications will never be taken seriously with these ridiculous names.
The names need to be somewhat related, descriptive, or have an explanation.
This isn't a car. It's a calendar application.
Firefox folks have been trimming their app for quite a while already, Sunbird is much younger.
You can bet it'll be in a 5MB range when we'll see Sunbird 0.9
Evolution 2.0 has this feature too. Hopefully it'll make ical (The format, not just the program) more popular. Then you can switch clients at will and have the same data available.
well, since you have iCal, also free ( and far better, IMHO ). That uses the same format, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Sunbird could very well be one of the more important open source projects out there! At least, important for the corporate adoption of Linux. While Linux remains awesome in the server/development arena (after all, it's all I use to write code at work), it still lacks in the "Management" desktop area. Before I get lots of flames about this one, I know about openoffice.org but still, if you look at the dominiance and reliance on Outlook in the corporate environment, you will see why Linux needs a good, integrate calendar application. ;) ).
One CEO even mentioned this to me. He loves Linux from what he has been shown/played with but finds it hard to lose the integrated calendar feature of Outlook. For him, that's what is holding back the adoption of Linux. Believe it or not, he hates the quality of Outlook. The only reason he is tied to it is because it is the only viable solution with the proper features.
The more we look at what our targeted users are using, the better off we will be. This is what Microsoft often does well. They look at who makes the decision to deploy their product, like any good company does, and tailor their product around that user.
I simply cannot believe that we, as an open source community, have not yet duplicated the todo/email/calendar application that managers so love (with good reason too, their jobs often involve quite a few meetings/action items/communications).
Hopefully this will fill the void of an integrated calendar/scheduling application (though there could be something already out there... I just don't know about it
I don't particulary enjoy all-in-one products like Mozilla. If I wanted to browse the web, I launched Firefox. If I wanted to read my mail I used Thunderbird. If I wanted to view my calendar I... was forced to open one of the other programs even if I didn't want to check my mail or browse the web and use the calendar add in.
Aethera and Outlook also forced me to do this. But now, perhaps I can have the calendar app open without having it reminding me every 15 minutes that I wasn't connected to the internet.
Once again, I thank the mozilla group.
Cheers,
Adolfo
PS. Now, If I could just convince the Opera team to unbundle their chat and mail apps from their browser...
Mozilla is the Wc3's standards supporting browser of choice, and if it gets more standard than that, then well... That's the point.
One last thing though - when (if ever) will Mozilla mail change away from using .mbx/mailbox files and move to something like what Sylpheed uses (1 file per email).
Hopefully, never.
Since when have Mozilla folks started to work around IE brokenness, and why?
Maybe since years of a hardline position on the point have resulted in a 2% marketshare?
Maybe they finally realized that in the big picture, the minor naming issue of "all[]" versus "getElementById()" wasn't worth getting their panties in a wad over -- especially relative to the bigger issue of XHTML/CSS versus Vendor HTML?
Either way, I welcome the new Realism over at mozilla.org.
not to mention encourages writing MORE bad DHTML
Almost everyone who actually writes Javascript understands that document.all is legacy. However, a huge portion of DHTML is just copy-n-pasted over-n-over again by Dreamweaver jockeys -- who barely understand programming much less standards nuances. Mozilla was trying to educate a group that is impossible to educate.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
I'm confused. If the plugin is ~700K, and the Firefox installer for Windows is ~4.6M, then how in the hell can the standalone Sunbird be ~8M, more over 3 megabytes more than the browser and plugin combined?
Probably for the same reason that the Firefox installer for windows used to clock in at about 17MB until just a few months ago...It hasn't been trimmed down and cleaned up yet. Considering this thing has just been announced you can't expect them to be working on final steps yet...
I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
Hierarchal task list. I really think that this is a superior way of keeping track of tasks with multiple steps.
Agenda-At-Once is the only calendar program that I've seen so far with this. Undoubtedly there are others, but I think at this stage they should ALL have that feature.
I did read it.
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IMHO, it still encourages bad writing, it doesn't matter if it detectable or not, if stupid webmonkey foo knows broken feature bar is now working in another browser, then s/he's more likely to use it without testing.
Assuming stupid webmonkeys know Mozilla featureset is probably vastly overestimating the intelligence of quite a few in that lot, but
Nor does it probably actually help with anything, if someone is stupid enough to blindly use that, there are probably other equally stupid, non-supported things on that site as well.
See requirements here
and the tracker bug here. At the tracker bug, you can add your email to the CC, and put in a comment to let the developer's know that it is important to you!
In order for this
Great program, but why no freaking ISO date standard (2004-08-31) ? What is this American/British crap where you can't tell if it's DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY? grr...
Karma: pi (Mostly due to circular reasoning in posts).
Spreadsheets have cells. ExCEL.
And a calendar has a cell for each time the sun rises. SUNbird.
Well of course the window has to be open. Unless you wrote a small little plugin that checks sunbird for alarms to notify you of, that's really a nonissue. I mean seriously, do you expect a closed program to give you messages? That doesn't make any sense at all.
But it's similar to those programs that check gmail for you. A small little system tray app that periodically checks gmail and notifies you of new emails. Simple. I'm sure it wouldn't be too complex to have Sunbird (I'm lovin that btw) communicate with a ~700kb program or something. Of course, IANAP.
-Dizzle
"I most likely AM so interested in myself."
What it does is reduces the likeliehood of someone going "My favorite site doesnt work in Moz, so i'm sticking to IE"
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
Sun do, they just suck at advertising it.
m ail_calendar_collaboration.html
http://wwws.sun.com/software/product_categories/e
They also have plugins for outlook and evolution to give full functionality. The web stuff works quite well anyway, and a new integrated version of the webside for mail and calendar will be coming soon.