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Duke University Students Receive iPods

DSLAMngu writes "Freshman students at Duke University received their complimentary/paid for (however you want to look at it) iPod portable music players on Thurday. This deal was previously mentioned on /. here. After waiting in line, I eventually got my Duke-engraved iPod at about 9:00 PM with the rest of the freshmen at Brown dorm. I've written about the experience at my blog, and also included a copy of the Program Agreement and some photos of what the students received."

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  1. A double whammy for comcast and the RIAA! by dan_polt · · Score: 5, Funny
    A choice of 4 mp3's to kill their server with and [entertain] thousands of /.ers
    Smooth...
    <!--
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    tipsa[0]="http://home.comcast.net/~dlde nguyen/switchfootmtl.mp3";
    tipsa[1]="http://home. comcast.net/~dldenguyen/hoobastank-thereason.mp3";
    tipsa[2]="http://home.comcast.net/~dldenguyen/he alingvision.mp3";
    tipsa[3]="http://home.comcast.n et/~dldenguyen/rhythmandpolice.mp3";
    tipsa[4]="ht tp://home.comcast.net/~dldenguyen/usheryeah.mp3";
    indexa=Math.floor(Math.random() * tipsa.length);
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    1. Re:A double whammy for comcast and the RIAA! by Bilestoad · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you HATE websites that make a noise...

      do not visit the website linked (DSLAM's blog) - it plays music.

      You have been Informed.

    2. Re:A double whammy for comcast and the RIAA! by parksie · · Score: 3, Funny

      There I was, happily (trying to) read the page, *blam* up comes Xine...great, I get a video player that crashes Firefox 9 times out of 10 trying to stream mp3s from a heavily-loaded server. Lovely...

    3. Re:A double whammy for comcast and the RIAA! by DSLAMngu · · Score: 3, Funny
      Firstly those are 1:30 clips encoded at too low a bitrate to realistically be considered to be taking any money away from the RIAA.

      Secondly I know the numbers don't match up, but the second I change something, it breaks. Right now it ain't broke. So I ain't fixin'.

      Thridly, mute.

      Finally, yes, it's pretty well-established that I'm an idiot. Thanks.

  2. Blog web design by Ianoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slightly offtopic, but that blog has to be one of the most offensive web designs I've seen in ages. Background sounds, distracting unreadable colours, it's got them all!

    1. Re:Blog web design by maharg · · Score: 5, Funny

      argghh my eyes !!!

      even it.slashdot.org is a relief after that.

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    2. Re:Blog web design by dan+dan+the+dna+man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A good excuse not to RTFA in my opinion :) Not that anyone does. Actually not that I did after being assaulted aurally and visually with that.

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    3. Re:Blog web design by xmpcray · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...not to mention animated gifs, static background; moving text, multiple huge images...i just wish there was a frame somewhere in there and this would have been the winner!

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    4. Re:Blog web design by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you think your mind is numb from the animated GIFs, whatever you do, don't to a View > Page Source! The first tag is a ... a ... TABLE!

      (Yes, that's right, there's supposedly a table before even the opening HTML tag.)

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  3. Creative uses? by d3ity · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many drunken college students will lose these things around campus?

    1. Re:Creative uses? by gavint · · Score: 3, Funny

      1st year Duke accomodation would seem to be an attractive hunting ground for muggers right now.

  4. Why? by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My first response was WHY would anyone want this (not including students)? Then it hit me. Apple wants it because 1. They've made a profit. 2. If this catches on they can tap into people they otherwise wouldn't have. The university wants it because now they can say to future people considering which university to go to "look our cool and high-tech we are." Win-win for everyone.

    1. Re:Why? by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Because they are experimenting with a new tool for learning. Maybe they'll get lots of worthwhile educational use out of it and they'll do it again, and other universities might follow them. Maybe it'll turn out to be a flop and it'll be the only year it's tried.

      Don't think an iPod can be a tool for learning? How many song lyrics do you know reasonably well? Tens, hundreds, thousands? Why is that? Partly because the rhythm and meter of the music forms a repetitive framework in which you can fit the words. But mainly because you listen to ones you like over and over again.

      Hey, 10 years ago I was doing a degree with the Open University in England - which is a distance learning setup. And part of the package was audio tapes.

      Maybe Duke will manage to harness this potential for learning through hearing repeatedly, maybe they won't. But we don't progress unless someone tries it and reports back. (That could be a motto for slashdot!)

    2. Re:Why? by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If your logic is people will listen to lecture notes again and again I figure perhaps you need to be modded funny?
      Why so? You might not be prepared to do it, but don't assume everyone is like you.

      I can see how you would come to that idea, but people listen to songs again and again because they like the music, not because they have an iPod.
      And believe it or not, some people like to learn.

      At the moment iPod's are a fad.
      Just like the Walkman, and the portable cassette player before it, and the non-portable reel to reel before that, and the wire recording machine before that. Having the facility to playback audio in the most convenient way will never go out of fashion. - But perhaps you meant it's a fad to use them in education. But there was a language lab when I was at school, filled with tape recorders. And when I did my degree some of the material was handed out on cassette tape. So it's not even an idea without precursors there either.

      But if that's the idea the university had, they're insane and it won't work. Whenever anything new is about to happen there are always naysayers that predict it will fail. It's better to say, "But we don't progress unless someone tries it and reports back."

      BTW, You have a very low bar on your use of the word insane. I've met insane people, and they think up far weirder shit than using iPods in education I can assure you.

    3. Re:Why? by ShadowcatBlue · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because they are experimenting with a new tool for learning.

      I bought an iPod right before my senior year in college and let me tell you, that thing was great for my film music class! We had to listen to songs from somewhere from 50-100 CDs during the term and had to know them pretty well for the mid-term and final. We weren't expected to own the CDs, but rather to go to the Music Library and listen to them there (the library lets you check them out one at a time for up to 2 hours each to listen to in the library CD players, or your own, if you have one, but the disc can't leave the library).

      I was able to put all the music for my class onto one (very long) playlist at the beginning of each half of the term and would just listen to it in my free time and while doing other homework. I honestly think my iPod made a big difference in my studying for that particular class.

  5. so what.. by Pidder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what if they received their iPod. In one way or another they will pay for it in their tuition fee.

    1. Re:so what.. by hkon · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what if they received their iPod. In one way or another they will pay for it in their tuition fee.


      The difference for the student is largely who "they" are in this context. Consider the difference between "Hey, dad, will you buy me an iPod" and "Hey, dad, I got admitted to Duke".


    2. Re:so what.. by SlartibartfastJunior · · Score: 3, Informative

      Okay, I just graduated from Duke, and worked in the admissions office this spring when this came to light internally. The money for this was sitting in a fun earmarked for "technology" but with several restrictions on it (I assume from some donor). So this is not coming out of tuition (this year), and Duke could not have done much else with it.

  6. The significance by scum-e-bag · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, but I still fail to see the significance of this story. What makes a small bunch of kids getting an iPod for free significant.

    Could it be possible that the kids are being used as unsuspecting testers, to see what hacks they can come up with to beat copyprotection, or could it be to see what new, unsuspecting, unthought of and marketable ideas that come out of using it in ways that it was not originally intended for.

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    1. Re:The significance by The+Limp+Devil · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And that is actualy a good idea. I would have liked to be able to give my history students some lectures as mp3s and know that they would be able to listen to them - no excuses.

      As a historian I would love to put selected historical speeches and radio recordings there. I can imagine that it would be great way for folklorists to give their students access to recordings of folk music and folk tales. Some of this is copyrighted material so you can't just put it up on the web.

      You could put a schedule of official events in the iPod calendar so that the students woulld have that easily accesible, and you could put all kinds of useful info an tips in the note section. Not to mention important contact information in the address book. And by putting it on something as hip as the iPod you increase the likelyhood that the students will actually bother to use it.

    2. Re:The significance by Mr_Icon · · Score: 4, Funny
      Sorry, but I still fail to see the significance of this story. What makes a small bunch of kids getting an iPod for free significant.
      They are not free. You have to get enrolled at Duke to be able to get one, which is anything but free. In fact, with the cost of Duke tuition, the price of a 20G iPod is more or less a rounding error.
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  7. Voice Recorders by bedouin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good to see they included the Belkin voice recorders with these, though I wonder why they didn't go with iTalks instead.

    1 minute of voice recording on the iPod takes just one meg, so you could probably keep an entire semester's worth of lectures on an iPod.

  8. You're in college now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Try to think less about "blogging" and iPods, and more about "female" things, mmmkay?

  9. Another milestone for the INTERNET by karmaflux · · Score: 5, Funny

    August 21st, 2004: Some kid gets an iPod. He makes a blog entry about it. Slashdot is first on the scene with the scoop! Lack of interest of the rest of the planet seemingly escapes notice.

    He got an iPod, guys. I got one too. So does my friend Chris. Enough about the damn iPods.

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    1. Re:Another milestone for the INTERNET by lewp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Holy shit! Chris has an iPod too?! Why wasn't I told?

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  10. Text of iPod Program Agreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hated every minute of looking at this guy's site so here's the most interesting part: The Program Agreement that students must agree to. (I really hope this kind of web design doesnt become prevalent once these freshman enter the real world.)

    Duke University
    iPod First-Year Experience
    August 19, 2004 - May 2005
    Program Agreement

    Overview
    Duke University is issuing first-year undergraduate students a 4th generation Apple iPod as part of a one-year pilot program between Duke and Apple, Inc. designed to encourage creative uses of technology in education and campus life. The Center for Instructional Technology, Division of Student Affairs, Office of the Provost, Office of the Executive Vice President, and the Office of Information Technology are the Duke sponsors. Throughout the academic year, faculty and students will be encouraged to experiment and develop innovative ideas uses [sic] for the iPod in the classroom and in campus life.

    Student agreement
    The student is responsible for the care of the iPod and keeping it in good working condition. A student whose iPod device malfunctions should first access online technical support resources (www.duke.edu/ipod). If students are unable to resolve an issue, they may contact the OIT Help Desk. Through an agreement with Apple, each iPod is covered by a special one-year warranty. If the Help Desk cannot resolve the issue and the iPod is under warranty, the Help Desk will provide the student with a replacement at no cost. In the case of theft, negligence, or damage to the iPod, students are financially responsible for replacing the iPod.

    During the academic year, faculty and others will provide students with content for academic and personal use on the iPod. Students may also receive free "song codes", which allow them to download content from Apple's iTunes Music Store. Students must use the song codes for their intended purpose and may not sell them. Each student is responsible for understanding and adhering to copyright laws. For details, visit www.oit.duke.edu/security/user/usercopyright.html.

    The iPod remains the property of Duke University until the end of the spring 2005 semester, at which time the student becomes the owner. If for any reason the student is not enrolled at Duke University during the 2004-2005 academic year, he/she must return the iPod to the university in good working condition.

    Terms and conditions
    I have read the Program Agreement and agree to abide by the terms and conditions herein. I acknowledge that the iPod remains the property of Duke University until the end of the 2005 spring semester. If for any reason I am not enrolled at Duke University during the 2004-2005 academic year, I will return the iPod to the OIT Help Desk in good working condition.

  11. Lectures as MP3? by bhima · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Will the lectures be available as MP3?

    Otherwise what's the point?

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  12. I'm surprised at Duke's admissions standards. by tiktokfx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How did someone who could create that monstrosity of a log style be honestly evaluated as a suitable candidate for acceptance at Duke?

    1. Re:I'm surprised at Duke's admissions standards. by tiktokfx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Never mind, I've thought back on the people I went to high school with who went to Duke... this guy fits right in.

  13. Re:Class of 2008 by DrVxD · · Score: 4, Funny

    > means the class that will graduate in the year 2008

    Apart, of course, from those members of the class who flunk out because they spend too much time posting their blogs about "look I got an iPod" on slashdot...

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  14. And a word to the wise by nahdude812 · · Score: 4, Informative

    For you corporate / wife still sleeping types, this page has background music.

  15. Recording lectures. by Welpa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This brings up an interesting issue. Is Duke University actually encouraging/allowing their students to record lectures? I know that this is a reasonably big deal in the UK where, as far as I know, it is illegal; meaning that before recording, consent has to be asked of each individual lecturer. Many of the lecturers I know do not like the practice of students recording lectures for various reasons including:

    1) They own the IP of their own lectures
    2) Students tend to be easier distracted when they know (or at least think) that they will listen to the lecture again
    3) The audio is only a small part of a whole presentation which includes writing on the blackboard, overheads etc.

    Anyway, it seems a little strange to me that American universities are encouraging this so openly.

    1. Re:Recording lectures. by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Funny

      4) They don't want to be caught talking out of their asses.

      it happens you know..

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  16. wake forest=#1 cool tech toys in acc by defective_warthog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Incoming Wakies get think pads. 2008 specs
    Now that's cool...

  17. iPod your DUKE! by autopr0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, this is just absolutly facinating for people who are not freshman at Duke Univ. It dosn't sound like more needless iPod promotion on /. Nope, not at all.

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  18. Official Website... by TiMac · · Score: 3, Informative
    Website of the Duke iPod First-Year Experience:

    http://www.duke.edu/ipod/

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  19. eBay by ka55ad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just checked ebay and I am surprised that I haven't found any "Limited Edition Duke iPod's" for sale yet.

  20. Re:Great. by martinX · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought universities were in the business of teaching, not hardware/music distribution.

    They are. It's the students who are in charge of music distribution.

    Leave your door unlocked and they'll also "distribute" your hardware.

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  21. A quick reference for slashdot editors... by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny

    News: Students at duke will all receive iPods.

    Not News: One kid at Duke received an iPod.

  22. Bad idea by kitzilla · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Okay, I'll be the Luddite here. Flame away and mod me down.

    First, I love digital music and have my entire library in iTunes.

    Duke's iPod program is a stupid idea. It's a recruitment perk with little legitimate educational value.

    If Duke thinks Mr. Undergrad is going to be listening to Professor Flatulent's geology lecture while out jogging instead of paging through their Audioslave tracks, they've got another thing coming. If they believe Miss Undergrad will be up late studying, rather than melting the university's WAN swapping MP3s, Duke is in for a rude awakening.

    Virtually all Duke students will have their own PCs. If the school wants to distribute MP3 instruction or event calendars, there's already an infrastructure to support it.

    There are plenty of kids who can't even afford the tuition for community college (thank you, Mr. Bush). The price of an iPod would cover 3 semester hours at most of these institutions. If Duke really wants to do something to improve their campus' test scores, they should put a couple dozen kids who can't afford their University into a year's community college and offer scholarships to those who really distinguish themselves.

    What's next? University supplied Gameboys?

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  23. What, no styrofoam? This is teh sux by Rescate · · Score: 5, Funny

    Notice the cheap recycled cardboard in the fourth generation packaging where there was styrofoam in the third edition packaging. This was definitely a cut corner because I really did think the styrofoam was awesome before

    Yeah, it totally blew my iPod experience for those three seconds it took me to remove the iPod from its box and throw away the cardboard, instead of throwing away nice shiny styrofoam. Let's go back to having a few million pieces of awesome styrofoam in the garbage, that totally r0x0r!!!

  24. Perspective of a teaching assistant by Hoplite3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, as a teaching assistant at Duke, I speculatethere are three main reasons this was done. First, despite a successful recent campaign, the University is broke. Now, the Med school, the Buisness school, the Graduate school, and the Engineering school are fine, but the general fund is rumored to be dry. Publicity stunts like this might be trying to recruit more students so the school can make some extra cash on tuition. Second, I think those responsible for the technology fund this came out of are so out of touch that they thought iPods could reduce the rate of music piracy at Duke via ITMS. Concern about University liability is rising. Third, iPods are pretty good firewire drives. If the computer labs are setup properly, this could be an easy way to allow students to port data around campus.

    Of course, Duke's campus is wooded and relatively dark at night. The rates of violent crimes (sexual and otherwise) against students are fairly high. Giving the freshmen "mug me" earphones won't help.

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  25. Re:Keep the sound to you, webmaster from hell by Milo77 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The first thing I thought was "I guess the slashdot editors couldn't figure out how to get their soundcards working under linux either". If they had, surely they never would have posted that to the front page.

  26. Will they all graduate in 2008? by prattboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't it a little presumptuous that the entire class will successfully graduate in 2008? I hope that those that plan their schedule poorly or change their major can trade in their IPod for one with a new enscription. Maybe a PSP would cover that?

  27. *NEWS FLASH* Hundreds of Muggers Descend on Duke by StarWreck · · Score: 5, Funny

    *NEWS FLASH* Hundreds of Muggers Descend On Duke University. Few of the attending Freshmen now retain their iPod. In an unrelated story: Sudden Glut of iPod's on eBay drive price of used iPod's down.

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  28. Design by DSLAMngu · · Score: 3, Informative
    Haha hey guys, sorry for the offensive web design, I'm aware of all the nonstandard crap I pulled off. But get this: personal blog. All the stuff on there is par for the course when it comes to the usability wasteland that is Xanga, and trust me, I have seen much worse. Thanks for the insight though, but Xanga already offers actual standard and relatively usable designs and you know how kids like me go, with our predisposition towards this "customization" bullshit. I'm not a web design person, but I know about the readability against the background problem and you have no idea how long it took to try to darken the whole thing just right. But I think it's a good call to get rid of or change the bg though, thanks to those of you old folks with terrible monitors and crap eyes. Just realize that for the most part, with all due respect, you are not the intended audience.

    And about the bg music; for a couple months I had the volume for my music cut in half when I cut it all together, but suddenly decided that lots of people had a mute button within easy reach of their keyboard. Bad assumption I guess, assume makes and ass out of you and me etc., but I can see where you guys are coming from. I have done web work with usability before, bringing a large portion of the NASA National Space Science Data Center website (about 500ish pages) up to government-mandated Section 508 compliance and have felt a small twang of guilt once in a while about all the JavaScript, the bg, the music, and the weird text. Just realize that I believe that certain contexts allow for bending of the usual usability rules (gaming sites, pop culture pages, the personal blog sites of teenagers) when the intended audience is very focused.

    Point is, I would much rather have my page look terrible than look like yours. I hope you can understand.

    Peace