Slashdot Mirror


Linux Desktop Guide

codergeek42 writes "The International Open-Source Network has created a desktop manual aimed at end-users with little or no prior knowledge of PCs. This manual goes through using The Fedora Project to do things from file-management to using the internet (as in browsing the WWW and using email), how to use the OpenOffice.org office suite, and even a basic intro to using the shell. This is definitely a step in the right direction for GNU/Linux, and the Free Software and Open-Source Software movements. And the cool part is that the entire thing is under an attributions-required OSI-approved Creative Common license, and is available in .sxw (OpenOffice.org Writer) or PDF formats."

18 of 461 comments (clear)

  1. Uh... Fedora? by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 5, Funny

    For a first-time user?

    Hey, this is great, you've got your first Linux system. Whoops! Time's up. If you want security updates, it's time to wipe and reinstall!

    1. Re:Uh... Fedora? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, this is great, you've got your first Linux system. Whoops! Time's up. If you want security updates, it's time to wipe and reinstall!

      It's on purpose, so people migrating from Windows get a familiar user experience and feel at home.

      --
      "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    2. Re:Uh... Fedora? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I have a serious question then. What's a good, easy to use Linux distribution for first time computer users that also will have security updates for many (3+) years to come? I know there are a lot of different Linux distros out there but few of them state how long they'll be supported before an upgrade is needed. I use Debian for my computer needs but I wouldn't consider it to be an easy to use and administer system for someone who's new to computers. It definitely requires some experience to set up. Fedora is nice but between Red Hat's support and Fedora Legacy, updates will only last about a year and a half to two years before one has to upgrade.

      Any recommendations?

      --
      Slashdot: Failed Car Analogies. Amateur Lawyering. Anecdote Battles.
    3. Re:Uh... Fedora? by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What forced upgrades? I still run FC1 on a machine, its the msot stable OS i've ever used, well its on par with Debian Stable. I have FC2 on my laptop. Both Fedora machines run perfect and there has never been a forced upgrade. Up2date is like windows update, except it updates everything on your system, instead of what MS wants updated. And you get to pick and choose. Nothing is ever forced on you, ever. I personally use apt because my roots in linux are in debian, and I use debian daily, but for an end user, you just cant beat Fedora. Suse is nice but I have my issues with it. Mandrake is the only other non-MS OS I'd recommend to a typical user. People keep saying that Fedora is bleeding edge, and it is if you want it to be, but it can also move at a slower pace if you'd like and every Core so far has been extreemly stable. Saying Fedora is bleeding edge is like saying Debian is bleeding edge, its up to you if you wanna run stable, testing or unstable, and Fedora defaults to stable, and everythign is extensively tested at RH. Also, dealing with RH developers is such a nice experience as compared to dealing with the typical arogant Debain dev.(Not all Debian devs are that way, but more then I'd like)I don't see the problem here.
      Regards,
      Steve

    4. Re:Uh... Fedora? by bit01 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try SuSE 9.1. Almost all point and click. Uses RPM under the hood but installing security/recommended updates online is easy:

      1. Click System/YaST on the main menu. YaST is the equivalent of the MSWindows ControlPanel.
      2. Enter the root password and click OK.
      3. Click Software/Online Update.
      4. Click Next to accept the default source site.
      5. Click Accept to accept the default set of patches.
      6. Click Finish to finalise patch installation. I've seen one patch that required a reboot.

      9.1 was released recently so updates should be available for a while yet.

      I've no connection to SuSE other than as a satisfied user.

      ---

      It's wrong that an intellectual property creator should not be rewarded for their work.
      It's equally wrong that an IP creator should be rewarded too many times for the one piece of work, for exactly the same reasons.
      Reform IP law and stop the M$/RIAA abuse.

  2. Fedora ??!!?? by jrl87 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't something like Mandrake or SuSe be better for beginners?

    1. Re:Fedora ??!!?? by pphrdza · · Score: 5, Informative
      Though slashdotted, if you actually get through you'd see
      Linux has many distributions and sometimes the programs or tools used to perform a certain function can vary from distribution to distribution. This guide tries to be as generic as possible in the description of the features and functionalities. However, in some cases, especially some of the GUI desktop configuration tools, there is no really independent generic tool that can be used and each distribution has its own tool. In such cases, we have tried to illustrate their usage using Fedora Linux
      This guide was written on a Fedora Linux system and as such many of the screen shots reflect this. However, this should not be construed as an endorsement of this distribution of Linux over the others on the part of the authors.
      Fedora's desktop is used for screenshots and examples, but it isn't a guide to Fedora.
  3. right direction by celeritas_2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this is a step in the right direction. Now i'm not for dumbing down linux, but I think there should be a user-friendly (ouch) option on some of the major distrobustions so that people who know little about and will not learn about computer systems will use linux. If more common people use linux than more governments and institutions will, meaning more donations for projects, more press, and better defence against the Microsofts and SCOs out there.

    --
    -- Checking emails and kicking cheats `till the day I die.
  4. Is manual a solution? by usefool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if manual/guide is the solution to the 'problems' in desktop territory.

    Will grandma get such guide and follow through step by step command lines to achieve something?

    --
    Uselessful technology (Air-Charged
    1. Re:Is manual a solution? by Zorilla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny you should mention that. At times, I feel I need a manual just to figure out how to read man pages. Some are ok, but for example, man rpm, is a nightmare.

      --

      It would be cool if it didn't suck.
  5. Good step. by keiferb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This kind of stuff is a great step in the right direction, but lots of people in the target demographic would still prefer a dead-tree version. I'd really like to see a couple of those big, glossy, step-by-step picture books put out for Linux. There's a bunch for Win/Mac already, so I'm sure it'll just be a matter of time.

    1. Re:Good step. by Reorax · · Score: 5, Informative

      The "___ for Dummies" line probably has something that's pretty good. I have their "Redhat For Dummies" book and it did a good job of leading me through installation and use before I knew anything about Linux. This was for Red Hat 8, but they probably have something more updated by now.

      --
      This sig is only here so people stop skipping the last lines of my posts.
  6. Re:Here is the only guide you need by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Been using Windows XP Home for 3 years, and never looked back.

    Not enough time to look back between security updates, and A/V, anti-spyware and personal firewall software installations I guess...

    --
    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
  7. Admirable by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is an admirable effort, however why Fedora for a beginner's distro? The problem I see is that Fedora is just getting it's feet wet and entire reinstalls are needed to update from core 1 -> 2. This harks back to my days with Red Hat 5 and Mdk 6. Without trying to start a flamewar, I really think a Debian based system with Synaptic setup for updating is the best solution. Lastly, I don't know if a beginner's guide should include the commandline, that will likely scare some off. Let them get completely comfy in the GUI, then let them start exploring off the path.

    Still, efforts like this NEED to be undertaken, if it's one thing OSS projects often lack is documentation.

    CV*)($#B

  8. A good idea, but... by zaxios · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the cool part is that the entire thing is under an attributions-required OSI-approved Creative Common license, and is available in .sxw (OpenOffice.org Writer) or PDF formats.

    Neither a .sxw or a PDF one would be very useful for someone new to PCs - they need some basic knowledge to even view it, and it would get incredibly confusing to try to use the computer and read instructions off it at the same time. The alternative is to get the manual printed by someone you know who already knows how to use a PC and has a lot of paper and ink to waste and... If you were learning a computer for the first time, what would be more convenient, this or a reasonably cheap, easy to find Dummies guide to PCs (which would refer to Windows)?

    I know we're into OSS evangelism here, but honestly, for someone new to PCs, it would be much better to choose the platform most common and hence easiest to find advice and help for, and that's Windows. As I've seen with my grandparents, learning PCs for the first time is hard enough as it is without the extra trouble of pursuing a minority desktop OS.

  9. I'm concerned their efforts are for nothing by Stevyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I commend them on their efforts, I don't think very many people are going to find this useful.

    I would have chosen Mandrake over Fedora because Fedora is meant to be Red Hat's bleeding edge test bed. Mandrake is easy to set up and as long as don't care to tweak around with it much, it'll do you fine.

    Computer use is getting so complex and most of us here don't even realize it. To explain the simplest tasks to someone who knows nothing about computers is not easy and I think it needs to be taught rather than dictated to in a book. And a book at that, a pdf is only useful if someone is going to print it out in lieu of teaching someone.

    Nobody learns to drive a car by reading a manual, and no one should be expected to learn a computer by manual either.

  10. from my understanding... by zogger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Fedora is designed to be a more or less bleeding edge perpetual beta, even though they call it a release. Sorta like moz in a way. Call it a stable~beta, freebie community/developer/enthusiast edition. If you want "more" stable and more and longer support, you go to the redhat pay per view version, or stick to legacy Rh 7-9 as long as that lasts.

    With that said I like fedora, it works fine,seems perfectly stable to me with only a few minor hiccups, no showe stoppers, and twice a year to plop a few Cds in isn't hard, and updating even on my old coal burner system and rural slow dialup is not hard either.

    Basically, you can't have it both ways at the same time. If you want new and improved, well, the developers ain't lazy and come out with new and improved all the time, so there ya go. If you want to run a distro for a long time, then just run a distro for a long time. If it's gotta-haveit security updates, you might have to compile it in. thems the breaks. You can't have a 5 ton truck that gets 50 MPG, just ain't happening, some times ya got to make some compromises. I bet there's folks here still running RH6 probably, and similar vintage older various distros/OSes. Heck, I run new linux but I still crank up some old macs running 7.x and 8.x sometimes, and still got a laptop with win 95 on it that I (and who knows who else, heh) fool with occassionaly just for sport.

  11. Linux made huge advances in user-friendliness by kavau · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm amazed how many people here like to bash Linux by reviving cliche's that were still true a few years ago, but are all but gone by now. Linux has matured a lot in the last few years, and if you choose the right distro, setting up a basic functional Linux system is even easier than setting up its Windows counterpart.

    Since SuSE Linux is the only distro I have extensive experience with, I use it as an example. Installation is as easy as booting off your DVD, selecting your language, accepting a few default options for partitioning and package selection, choosing your username and passwords, and waiting about half an hour for the system to install. And off you go surfing the net and writing letters with OpenOffice! The last time I ran into serious difficulties with a SuSE install was more than a few years ago.

    A Windows install? The first few steps are quite similar, but once the system is installed the fun begins: insert manufacturer disk to install custom drivers; insert MS Office CDs to install word processor; hop on the web to download Acrobat Reader; install IM client, jukebox, IE replacement, firewall, and whatnot. With Linux all the stuff a beginner needs is already there; no need to hunt around for programs. And no need to reinstall every few months because a worm messed up the system.

    Granted, with Linux you have to pay attention what hardware you choose, especially concerning printers and modems. But the time where you have to touch the command line in order to get Linux to run has passed quite some time ago.