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GlobeTrotter: Mandrake-based 40GB Linux Mobile Desktop

joestar writes "Mandrakesoft & LaCie have just launched "GlobeTrotter", a ultra-compact 40 GB bootable USB hard-drive pre-loaded with Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official. It may be plugged to any available PC with a USB 1 or USB 2 port, automatically recognizes the host-PC's hardware, and then is ready to use. Multiple uses can be imagined, from the office/internet workstation to the multimedia jukebox! The concept is quite similar to Mandrakemove, excepted that it's way more powerful than a USB-key based system! And for $219 it's a credible alternative to a laptop."

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  1. Alternative to a laptop? by Kell_pt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not really an alternative to a laptop imho - check its weight. Always recall that transportable doesn't make it portable. ;)

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    1. Re:Alternative to a laptop? by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's not really an alternative to a laptop imho

      Maybe because it's not a laptop. It's a HD with Mandrake preloaded onto it. You plug it into a desktop so you can run Mandrake anywhere.

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    2. Re:Alternative to a laptop? by j.blechert · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the bigger problem is that you need host hardware and therefore can't use it in the train, on a bench or wherever else you'd use a laptop...

    3. Re:Alternative to a laptop? by Arathrael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suppose it's a credible alternative to a laptop if the only thing you use the laptop for is working at both home and work.

      Just have a machine without hard drive at each location and take the usb drive.

      Otherwise, yes, you could hardly rely on there being available host hardware without password-protected BIOS setups available wherever you want to use it. :-)

    4. Re:Alternative to a laptop? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


      I'm not sure on the speeds you'd get across USB2, but this is also USB1 compatible and I don't think you'd want your swap mounted on it. Nope, you're right and you don't need to qualify it. This is no alternative to a laptop.

      And if the purpose of it was to have portability of software and data, well I have an email client running from a pen-drive and it also stores a few spreadsheets and Word documents. I've not found much else I actually need to carry from computer to computer for rountine work.

      I'd say the best use for this is demoing a linux system to clients.

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  2. sounds like an easy way... by ryane67 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to hijack data off a system that you dont have the password to log into yourself..

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    1. Re:sounds like an easy way... by xSquaredAdmin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've been able to do that with a Knoppix CD for quite a while, so that isn't anything new.

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    2. Re:sounds like an easy way... by Proc6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Enable file system encryption on NTFS and try again.

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    3. Re:sounds like an easy way... by drawfour · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the system administrators are smart, they'll password protect the BIOS settings and only allow the hard drive to boot. Not floppy. Not CD. Not USB. Yes, you can reset the BIOS password, but it requires more than hitting the power button and plugging something in.

    4. Re:sounds like an easy way... by typobox43 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you boot from a DOS boot disk if you can't boot from anything but the hard drive?

    5. Re:sounds like an easy way... by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yea, I love supposedly 'password protected' XP/2000 user login directories are wide open for the viewing in linux. Thanks knoppix!
      Remember, if someone with reasonable IT skills gets to sit in front of a machine with no-one watching, and has bootable media, it isn't that hard for them to get full access to the system. If the files are all encrypted the password file can still be taken away and cracked over time.

      I've had a few things delivered where the vendor didn't supply the root password (probably sound policy, I was probably supposed to ring up and ask for it) - but a couple of minutes with install media or the right boot floppy (windows admin password blanker), and you have a new root password that only you know. Even a Sun with no video card doesn't pose much of a challenge - so keep that server room door locked.

    6. Re:sounds like an easy way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Use the following steps to get around the encrypted NTFS folder/drive.

      Use a Win2K drive with l0phtCrack (LC5)
      Hack the target drive Administrator password
      Remove Win2K drive
      Boot Windows with Admin password.
      Reset user password (with the NTFS encryption).
      Login with hacked user.
      Remove NTFS encryption.
      Copy decrypted contents to your Win2K drive.

  3. YAY by umpa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this is great. Not only can you take along your preferred operating system, but your files, too.

    Maybe my hardware is old, but can most boxes boot off USB these days?

  4. Costly? by rpbailey1642 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After reading the article, I wonder what exactly makes it so special? Perhaps the convenience of the entire setup, but for 40 gig, you would expect a lower price. I can get a USB enclosure for a hard drive for $30.00 here or perhaps elsewhere for even less. A 200 gig HD from tigerdirect.com is $89.99. Don't get me wrong, I am really excited to see Linux systems set up like this, but the price kind of threw me off.

    1. Re:Costly? by precogpunk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are paying more because Mandrake needs to:
      1. Secure a steady supply of hardware to meet demand.
      2. Install and configure the OS on the hardware.
      3. Write a manual.
      4. Provide tech support for the product.
      5. Market the new product.
      6. Profit.

    2. Re:Costly? by Rakishi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I assume they use a mobile (ie 2.5") hd so that the enclosure can be powered by usb. Those aren't all that cheap compared to normal hds.

    3. Re:Costly? by aclarke · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I couldn't see right away from their web site, but I'm 99% positive they're using a 2.5" laptop drive. So a better comparison would be something like a 40GB Drive for $100

      Just so you know, every 3.5" drive enclosure I've ever seen requires a separate power supply. 3.5" disks require too much power to be reliably run from USB or firewire. This is one reason why a 2.5" drive solution is much better for portability.

      So, take $130 of hardware and add $90 for my time to put the drive in the enclosure, install Mandrake, etc. and it doesn't seem like such a bad deal to me.

  5. speed ??? by selderrr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With USB2, its feasible, but I surely wouldn't boot off a USB1 device unless realy no other options are available. Or the machine has so much ram, I barely acces my swap.

  6. "For computers that don't support booting from USB by Myself · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've never seen "USB" as an option in the "A, C, CDROM" selections in any BIOS setup program I've ever touched. Is it handled somewhere else, or is it just very rare among ~1-year-old hardware?

    Carrying along a bootable CD and a USB storage device sort of defeats the purpose.

    Loadlin would be a natural for this thing...

  7. Just not practical. by jonathan_atkinson · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This'll only be useful when 95% of computers support booting from USB. Right now, only 5% do, so you'd just be pissing away the $219.

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  8. Quick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Update your BIOS firmware!

  9. They charge $100 for the OS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why it is so expensive? You can get a USB 2 box for a 2.5 inch drive for $25 (Check Fry's or Outpost) and you can get a 40GB 2.5 inch drive for less than $100. It follows that they charge about $100 for the OS, whih is way too much: in my opinion they should not charge more than $40. Today the laptop drive are so cheap, you can get am 80GB drive for for $150(Pcprogress, basoncomputer). Moreover, Bason computer sells firewire/usb2 boxes with 80GB laptop drives inside for $209. (the empty combo box is about $60). You could buy this 80GB box, install linux yourself, save $9, you have twice the size and have both firewire and USB2 ports!

    I did this about 2 months ago, I installed my preferred Linux distribution, SuSE 91 on a combo box.

    LaCie is traditionally a Mac company, and for this reason they charge a lot. NEVER BUY FROM THEM.!

  10. What this thing needs by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It needs hardware encryption so that the disk is useless without the right pass-phrase, and optionally a hardware token like a separate USB pendrive (or compact flash, whatever) with a really big one-time pad on it. And I mean real encryption like AES or Blowfish, or at least triple-DES. Not something that Joe-Bob and his little beowulf cluster can crack in a week or too.

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  11. This is cool. Naysayers be damnned! by LibrePensador · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Damn, it is hard to please the slashdot crowd. It's too expensive, how is this different from knoppix?

    Well, I find it very inexpensive and convenient. Yes, I could probably do this myself, but I happen to like Mandrake's distribution and this gives me the chance to support my favorite distribution in an all-in-one package that is easy to use.

    If you think you can do it reliably and more cheaply than Mandrake, please by all means give them some competition.

    But I, for one, love Mandrake. It is the fastest distribution of the latest round I tried (Suse 9.1, Fedora 2, Slackware 10) and it is very stable. I also happen to like Suse 9.1 quite a bit for certain uses, but overall lean much more strongly towards Mandrake, but I digress.

    I love this idea. You will be able to take your desktop with you everywhere without needing to use Knoppix. Knoppix is very nice, but this gives you another way to reach portability and will be faster since it runs off a HD, rather than off the CD. You can take music, documents with you and have your fully personalized desktop available anywhere where a computer is available.

    This is more convenient than a laptop in some regards as it doesn't need to be recharged and is less conspicuous and thus less likely to be stolen.

    And I don't know about you, but I can find a computer I can plug into just about anywhere, whether it's at a friend's or a relative's house, the library...

    I think Mandrake is working very hard and they are making incredible progress. I have tested their 10.1 Beta 2 and it is already very, very good, although I would caution new users to wait for the *Official* release, not community, and definitely not RCs.

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