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New Lubricant Leads To Faster Hard Drives

azav writes "We all know about Moore's Law as it applies to chip speed but little attention is publicly made to the challenges of increasing speed in hard drives. A recent discovery in polyester (yes, polyester, you disco baby) lubricants will allow for faster and longer lasting hard drives."

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  1. Faster Hard Drives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hard Drive Speed doesn't seem to be the problem... S-ATA suits me just fine.

    What I really worry about is hard drives not getting any bigger. It seems progress has stopped at about 350 - 400gig and no prospect of going anywhere.

    1. Re:Faster Hard Drives? by Tesko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, no, the biggest one out (the 400gb one) has 5 80GB platters. But another major manufacturer is using 100GB platters in one if it's hard drives. I can't remember the manufacturers/hard drive models for the life of me. I can't wait for 20,000 RPM S-ATA Drives to hit the streets.

  2. Drive Heat by Klar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My laptop runs cool, except for the left palm rest, where the hard drive is inside the case. After a few hours of gaming, it can be VERY hot. Would better lube allow for portable drives to run cooler?

  3. Faster Hard Drives are nice... by Duke+Machesne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But will they make it to market before memory cards large enough and cheap enough to feasibly replace hard drives altogether do?

    1. Re:Faster Hard Drives are nice... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why are there slashdotters that believe memory chips will replace hard drives on a large scale any time soon?

      2TB is the addressing limit of that standard, not the amount of memory they will have. 2TB memory cards will take a loooong time to be released, esp. given that 8GB CF cards aren't available, 4GB CF cards are still pretty expensive, if available at all.

      Because flash memory cards follow RAM in costs, I doubt flash drives will replace hard drives any time soon unless you want your hard drive to be as small as your RAM space. Very similar processes are used, and I don't think the cost of making 32MB RAM chips are much different than 32MB solid state chips, because they are very similar in complexity.

    2. Re:Faster Hard Drives are nice... by Duke+Machesne · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, right now memory cards are wildly more expensive. But hard drives used to be wildly more expensive than they currently are, too.

      The first round of very fast and very efficient (if also very expensive) flash memory cards large enough to be considered viable hard-drive replacements are coming around now.

      Just as demand for hard-drives has pushed down hard-drive price, and demand for increasing amounts of RAM has pushed down RAM prices, so will increasing demand for solid-state memory hard-drive replacement cards increase.

      I, for one, am optimistic.

    3. Re:Faster Hard Drives are nice... by droleary · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, right now memory cards are wildly more expensive. But hard drives used to be wildly more expensive than they currently are, too.

      Internal market price changes are meaningless; you have to compare between the markets. Is flash memory decreasing in price at a faster rate than HDs? It doesn't look like it to me. And even if it is, the current per Gig price difference is about 100:1, which means flash has a lot of ground to make up.

  4. But it's still mechanical. by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While it's all very nice, the problem is easily ignored if one would just go for solid state HDs. Why is it so damn hard to come up with a simple system? I don't care if it's 5 1/4 device with 20gb at 200 euros. Think of the MASSIVE speed and reliability increases...

    1. Re:But it's still mechanical. by roadrunnerro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only MASSIVE increase would be in access time, but dunno about bandwith (SD, CF and friends aren't that fast - maybe with some kind of internal redundant arrangement, a la RAID, if it's not already used) or reliability (they have a limited number of write cycles - the swap file on a machine low on RAM or on a file server would probably burn a hole through it...).

    2. Re:But it's still mechanical. by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually I have been thinking about solid state drives for quite some time now. Here's what I came up with the last iteration :

      You are pretty much just as well off with a nice tight SATA RAID 5 array. Tom's ran a recent article on throughput for SATA RAID 5 arrays and found that at 6 drives (using those bad ass high end Raptors, I'm guessing) he could break through the 200 megabytes per second sustained transfer rates. About 4-5 times what you and I get on a daily basis from our regular ATA-100 hard drive (which was to be expected, given the number of drives in the array.) A single person on a single machine doing single (or simple multi) tasking isn't going to notice much difference in performance between that and a RAM drive. Some, yes, but almost negligible. The only way the additional performance gains from RAM make sense is multiple users doing radically different things - this would have the drive array thrashing around trying to do all those different things but RAM seek times are effectively zero.

      You really wouldn't get the incredible boost in performance you are imagining, simply because hard drives are already pretty fast and approaching the point where they are no longer the bottleneck.

      Look here for a review from a little over a year ago. He got all excited about the differences he saw, but in reality many applications didn't show a noticable difference.

      Don't get me wrong - I am going to keep trying, as this is a never ending quest ... but solid state drives aren't the holy grail of computing.

      If you want to experiment with solid state drives, check out Cenatek's Ramdisk. Cost you $69 (they may have a free timed demo, I'm not entirely sure) and you can use it to convert your system RAM to a Ramdrive = solid state disk. If you like what it does, just throw more memory in your computer and go for it. If you can find a way to really speed up your system, be sure to share it with the rest of us ($69 is dirt cheap if you can figure out a way to get a 20% boost in performance - but you would need a bunch of RAM to take advantage of it.

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  5. Bearings by stimpleton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The oddest materials pop up for load bearing duties.
    "Felt bearings" have been used in the automotive industry for years.

    Especially in rack and pinion steering system where lateral forces are not so high.

    Lubricants for the felt material include oil and graphite powder, or run dry.

    While more durable bearings such as needle roller, bronze sleeve, and teflon bushings, may be the preference of performance applications, ease of fitment, damping ability, and cost, still ensures felt bearings are used today, both in automotive and other industrial machinery. It is very possible, you have owned a car with one or moore felt bearings somewhere in the steering system.

    The properties of synthetic material as a bearing surface have been used and far back as 1950's(and maybe beyond).

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  6. Faster, but maybe smellier? by postgrep · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Won't the heat of the hardrive heat the lube up? And if so, won't it smell bad?

  7. Re:Wow... by Spudley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You've got to admit that the innuendo in that headline is... um... somewhat unsubtle.

    To be honest, I always suspected the term "hard drive" was invented as a sick inside joke by computer geeks, (along with a few other very suspect phrases).

    But what really convinced me was when I went to South Africa and discovered that a 3.5" floppy disk is known over there as a "stiffy disk". Ostensibly, the original idea was to differentiate them from the older 5.25" floppies, but you've got to admit that whoever came up with that one must have known what he was doing.

    I'm not usually one to laugh at blatant innuendo, but the first few times I heard that phrase being used, it absolutely cracked me up - not just for the phrase itself, but for the fact that no-one else seemed to get the joke. To them the phrase is completely natural: A South African computer geek can get away with telling people that he's got a stiffy in his pocket, and it won't even raise a smirk.

    (having said that, it's been a while since I've used a stif... uh, a 3.5" floppy, so I can't be sure the phrase is still current - SA readers, feel free to correct me)

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  8. vehicle oil? by chimpo13 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Could this be used on engines? I know that oil carries away heat, as well as lubricates, in internal combustion engines.

    If they find a way of coating parts and use some kind of anti-freeze in vehicles, maybe internal combustion engines will last longer. Two strokes could make a come back.

  9. Vapor pressure of HD lubricants -- lifespan? by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've often wondered about the rate of evaporation on fluid-bearing HDs. Running at high temperatures, even the lowest level of evaporation will mean a loss of lubricant over the years. Even inside the semi-sealed chamber of the drive, each on-off cycle will mean that the drive exhales the evaporated lubricant and the cooling pattern of a turned-off drive will mean condensation of lubricant on the inside shell of the case.

    Ball-bearings (well-designed ones at least) can last virtually forever. I wonder if the same can be said for fluid bearings?

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  10. Operating Temps by EmperorKagato · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It makes me wonder what are the possible operating temperatures of this lubricant and how much of a viscosity difference we would see from the standards of today compared to this new lubricant that is added.

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  11. Re:Wow... by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm not usually one to laugh at blatant innuendo, but the first few times I heard that phrase being used, it absolutely cracked me up - not just for the phrase itself, but for the fact that no-one else seemed to get the joke


    I'm told that Australians have a similar reaction when they hear people talking about getting "root access"...

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  12. Improvements through the mundane by michael_cain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is surprising how often improvements in our computer technology comes from relatively mundane sources. For example, much of the reason that Moore's Law has continued to hold is the way that the mechanical engineers have been able to constantly improve our ability to position things accurately. Masks and wafers must be positioned with astonishing (at least to me) accuracy relative to each other in order to allow creation of 90 nm features.

  13. I am too by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But let's be realistic about time scales here. CF is not replacing harddrives next month or even next year. We are talking probably 5+ years until it is realisticly at the price level and capacity where it's a serious contender for most systems. In the interm, it would be nice to have better harddrives. It's a proven, widely used technology. Making it better is nothing but good.

    Just because there is potentially something better some years off doesn't mean you want to stop working on what you've got now. Quantum computers stand to make current computers looks like abacuses. However, they won't be around for many years, if at all, so it's not like we want to pack up and stop working on current chip technology.

    I too envision a future where one doesn't have RAM and disk, you have one permenant memory storage that holds everything, because it's more than fast enough. However I realise that such a ting is many years off. Even the next logical step, replacing mechanical drives with solid state ones, isn't happening for a few years at least.

  14. Re:Wow... by inflex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having also lived in ZA for a few years, the other thing that cracked me up was the way they pronounce 'router'. In ZA, they pronounce it as 'r-oo-ter', as if you were pronouncing 'hooters'. In Australia, 'root' is another term for sex. I personally preferred to pronounce it as 'r-out-er'.

    PLD.

  15. oh polyester how i loathe thee by SubtleNuance · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Polyester is made from petrochemicals, this synthetic is also non-biodegradable, so it is inherently unsustainable on two counts. Making polyester uses large amounts of water for cooling, along with lubricants which can become a source of contamination. The processes is also very energy-hungry.

    IM willing to live with a little less speed, and a little more ecology in my future computer thank-you.