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Gates Explains Longhorn Delay, Diet
An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has set late 2006 as the deadline for shipping Longhorn, but to make that date, it had to delay the full implementation of WinFS, an ambitious file system geared at letting users search through all of their files at once. In this interview with Bill Gates, he provides a summary of why Microsoft decided to drop WinFS, saying: "WinFS, I'd be the first to say, is very ambitious. Nobody has ever brought together the world of documents, media and structured information in giving you one simple set of verbs that lets you richly find, move around and replicate those things." Meanwhile, MS Watch has published Longhorn head-honcho Jim Allchin's memo on why some Longhorn features had to be axed."
So, in his (apocryphous) diary, he mentioned being the inventor of product pre-announcement, now he's just invented the post-pre-announcement. :)
Way to go, Bill
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WinFS, I'd be the first to say, is very ambitious. Nobody has ever brought together the world of documents, media and structured information in giving you one simple set of verbs that lets you richly find, move around and replicate those things.
Translation:
We thought it was a good idea but no-one else has done an implementation that we can copy off, so we can't really figure out how to do it.
Can anyone explain exactly what will be in Longhorn, now that the new filesystem and graphics system is not going to be in it ?
"Free software as in beer, copy protection as in racket" - Telsa Gwynne
So that's bye bye new file system
bye bye new GUI
bye bye new API
wtf is left ?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/27/microsoft
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It already does. I've had a sidebar on my desktop for the last 5 years, thanks to gnome.
Oh, wait, do that mean that MS are now copying Linux...?
T.
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Preorder now and recieve a copy of Duke Nukem Forever!
You already did once
imagine that... treating everything as files...
;-)
how inovative...
That Micro$oft will be making Windows XP OSR2, followed by Windows XP ME?
Get a free ipod.
We will not cut corners on product excellence. Our powerful vision is intact; our shipment plan changes will let customers get access to parts of the vision faster.
Just to put an analogy to all that, I'm sure they refer to a development process that is similar to something they've done before.
- Bob
- Clippy
- That stupid XP search assistant mutt
What a vision.
They are releasing a more useful piece of shit with every other piece of shit.
One was braindead on arrival, one sucked, and the other sucked so hard it blew.
"One problem with Konghorn..."
Oh dear Lord. Don't tell me the KDE team are reimplementing Longhorn.
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I went to their Longhorn event in london earlier in the year and they were really pushing Avalon and WinFS, the whole event covered virtually nothing else, these were the big things that were going to make Longhorn great.
Now their gone. All we're left with is MS first attempt at an operating system from the ground up (nothing before hasn't been based on somebody elses work). Now they could get lukcy (like they did with SQL Server 7, 6.5 and before were basically Sybase) or they could do what they've done with every other thing they've invented, bomb.
MS is only ever successful when building on top of somebody else's work, or simply copying somebody else's ideas.
My feeling is that come 2006 we'll either get a horribly mangled OS (Windows ME, but worse) or nothing at all. Hopefully the vendors won't stand for it, but many did with ME.
It doesn't view my pron collection while i'm away does it?
Didn't you ever wonder why "FindFast.exe" kept hogging your computer in spurts?
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And we saw what happened with SP 2. The upgrade broke Symantec Corporate AntiVirus 9.0 because the software assumed that Windows was swiss cheese, and couldn't deal with a closed port.
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
Windows is close to 50 million lines of code with several enormous subsystems, including .NET and the whole GUI presentation system. To integrate those systems with WinFS involves touching almost everything, with combinatorial complexity. Even with $5 billion/year to spend on developers, it was just too much to get it done and get it stable. It's probably the biggest software integration project ever attempted, by far.
To disagree with one earlier post, I think MS has a pretty good idea of what they were trying to do with WinFS. It was simply too much to do.
Besides, WinFS is superfluous, since Google (and its nascent competitors) will evolve into a global implementation of the same idea. That's vastly more efficient. Hey Linux guys: make a Reiser4 plugin that accepts search-like verbs and automatically searches the Web!
> However, Monad is obviously a way that Microsoft is trying to catch-up with the powerful scripting ability of *nix shells.
I think MS just thought it would be funny to release something that would "have to be" called "Gonad" if it was copied and release in open source! (Hmmm, or maybe Gnunad?!)
"The highest quality OS we have ever shipped" Like that statement makes me feel any better about Windows...
My favourite quote, by far:
"Well, basically, Apple isn't releasing Mac OS X 10.4 until 2005, so we've got to wait a little while longer before we can finish Longhorn."
Oh, wait, I guess they left that out of the article.
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"... we couldn't figure out how to do it in time."
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Are they going to ship a Linux distro?
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Of course they knew it would be released. What they didn't count on, though, was that nobody on
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
Wizard: "Do you know how old your document is?
Me:"Five minutes."
Wizard: "Do you know what program you use to edit it?"
Me: "Yeah. Vim."
Wizard: "I'm sorry. I don't recognize that program."
Me: Reboots into my Linux system and mkreiserfs' the Windows drive.
My childhood says, "No gnus is good gnus with Gary Gnu."
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
It thought it was,
"fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again"
If you're like me, the Apple will quickly move from the corner of the room to the center and you'll have an old Windows box sitting in the corner with Linux on it.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
But on re-reading this phrase, I see a key word I had overlooked... it's "richly". Gates is telling the absolute truth; let me paraphrase: "Nobody has ever brought together the world of documents, media and structured information in giving you one simple set of verbs that lets you
As they say, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
That's not the way my president said it.. *confused*