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AbiWord vs. MS Word, For Now

Gsurface writes "If you have decided that it is time to kill MS Word, then it is time to look for an alternative. Flexbeta.net compares AbiWord, part of a larger project known as AbiSource, with MS Word and asks: is AbiWord a worthy MS Word replacement? Not to ruin the ending but according to the article the only draw back to AbiWord is that it currently does not feature a grammar checker, though a plug-in is in the works." (Also on this front, AbiWord's native Mac OS X version is labeled experimental, but seems to work very nicely.)

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  1. Sadly... by cs02rm0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...these things usually need to be able to work with Word formats and that's fine with AbiWord as long as you keep to text only. Start adding fancy lines and stuff in Word and view it with AbiWord, or vice versa, and things start to fall apart.

    Haven't got any complaints with it as a standalone piece of software, I only tend to use about 2% of a word processor's features myself though.

    1. Re:Sadly... by Lord_Raptor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Shouldn't this become easier in the Future with new Versions of Office (2003+) Looks like MS is going forward with XML, which should make plugins and filters much easier. Simple filters should be as easy as a XML transform. They also seem to be offering Royalty free licenses and documentation to the reference Schemas. info: http://www.microsoft.com/office/xml/default.mspx

    2. Re:Sadly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I remember correctly, that bug fix made it into 2.1.6, which is available for download from the AbiSource front page. However, there are still numerous instances of flickering.

    3. Re:Sadly... by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2, Informative

      For starters, it's easy to preach and hard to prove.

      XSLT can do great transformations but it is no match for a program that actually knows how to interpret the content - a badly designed XSD will not transform well.

      Here's an example of a horrible but all too common schema problem:

      <price1>12.95</price1>
      <price2>13.95</price2>
      <price3>14.95</price3>

      XSLT simply cannot predict that there are going to be 10 of those prices, nor can it predict that there is an upper bound of 50 of them.

      And if you haven't seen that, I'm sure you've seen the same principle applied to tag attributes, which supplies the same problem.

      To make a "simple" thing more complicated, you get into fun things like character sets and fonts (combined this can be a very nasty mess - "webdings" is a great example of how your character set means nothing), and then to insure the complete compatibility of the document the rendering engine will most likely need to be swapped or reconfigured depending on the format you're reading or signature "quirks" of the "common" format - we already see this in HTML - Opera and Firefox both have multiple rendering engines to better support IE-only pages.

      For a great example, take a look at the w3c specs - they are very simple and fairly well-defined nowadays, and still, no browser renders everything properly. How do you expect a clone of a proprietary program with a closed format to fare any better?

  2. It's nice. by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 2, Informative

    Abiword is really a nice little word processor. Quite trim, nice looking GUI. Works as advertised. Much nicer than the WP part of OO.org. Also, while on the subject, gNumeric is much nicer than the spreadsheet part of OO.org.

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  3. AbiWord advantage by dtfinch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tiny download, very fast load time, about 1/3 second for me on the first run.

  4. As always it depends on what you want to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Abiword is in my experience a very fine product and up to doing the things I want it to do. I doubt, that it really has all the features MS Word has, but I also doubt that most people really need these features. I for one don't and am quite happy with abiword. (Though not to start a flame war, but I prefer kword).

    The only thing that is freaking driving me nuts with abiword is the way it handles language settings in linux. The language of the program and most importantly of the spell checker is determined by environment variables. Now I'm using an English system but want to use a german spell checker most of the time. I can now happily select german but I can't save this setting!!!

    If any of the abiword devs is reading this. I really appreciate your product but being able to independently save my language settings would be a dream come true.

    Anyway to get back on topic, abiword may not be an alternative to MS Word for everyone or in every situation, but it can certainly be an alternative for a lot of people and for a lot of situations.

  5. Abiword size matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Using UPX Abiword for Windows (Abiword.exe only and no other files like the spell checker) can be compressed and fit on a single floppy disk.

    Try that with Microsoft Word

  6. The need for a grammar checker by caitsith01 · · Score: 4, Informative

    according to the article the only draw back to AbiWord is that it currently does not feature a grammar checker, though a plug-in is in the works.

    -insert lame jokes with really poor grammar here-

    But seriously folks... Is a grammar checker really that important a feature? I find that in Word, I turn it off because it drives me crazy. For one thing it is often out and out wrong. It will suggest corrections where none should exist, and falter on the more finessed rules of grammar such as singular references to indefinite pronouns or the subjunctive. Try typing "here be dragons" into Word and you'll see what I mean. If you're a pirate, Word is next to useless for noting up treasure maps, and that's just one of its many grammatical flaws for average users.

    To me, these rules are the things that make English interesting and enjoyable. Products like the Word grammar checker just make people lazy and reduce the need to actually know the rules. Instead of making a computer do it we should take the time to learn the subtle details of our language. If you don't know the rules, not only will you struggle to express yourself but you will miss the details in other people's words. In this sense it's all a bit cyclic - the more our word processors fix our spelling and grammar for us, the more we devolve into a community of people with the linguistic skills of George Bush, totally dependent on pressing 'F7' to help us construct our sentences.

    Or to forget the learned discussion and just quote the damn Simpsons like I was going to in the first place:

    Lisa: Almost done. Just lay still.
    Linguo: Lie still.
    Lisa: I knew that. Just testing.
    Linguo: Sentence fragment.
    Lisa: 'Sentence fragment' is also a sentence fragment.
    Linguo: Must conserve battery power... *switches himself off*

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  7. Re:One big gripe I have... by klaasvakie · · Score: 3, Informative

    what do you use for word processing and desktop publishing?

    Latex and Lyx

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  8. As you are sooo rich... by hummassa · · Score: 2, Informative

    care to lend me a hundred bucks or so? because down here, to get what you say you have, I have to spend 3 months of my (high-standards) salary.

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  9. Re:Getting Rid of Word Perfect by Bill_Mische · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a OO.o filter being developed and available for download - by the same project that developed the underpinings of the Abiword one.

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  10. Re:Getting Rid of Word Perfect by sthingp · · Score: 3, Informative

    The filter for Abiword also works for OOo. libwpd has a working OOo plugin and converter for WPD documents. http://libwpd.sourceforge.net/

  11. Re:Mac OS X Native Versions by mccalli · · Score: 4, Informative
    OO.o and Abiword both have "experimental" Mac OS X native versions. While you can run OO.o through X11, it doesn't support things like copy-paste from non-X11 applications, something everyone uses.

    True, but I'm a recent convert to NeoOffice/J, frequently mentioned on here, which is a wrapped-version of OOo that does support native cut and paste, along with double-clickable documents from the Finder and vastly improved font-rendering.

    That last point is worth stressing - I used OOo through X11 and working with imported spreadsheets was a pain due to the vast font differences. This is vastly improved in NeoOffice. In fact the issue is gone for me, but I'm not so rash as to say gone for everyone.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  12. Re:I'd call corrupting files more than a quirk, to by Joe5678 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Having Word fix corrupted Word documents

    File -> Open

    Click on corrupted file, click on pull down menu on the "Open" button, select "Open and Repair"

  13. WordPerfect 5.1 by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2, Informative

    It definitely used to be. I did a little temping in legal offices way back in the day and they were all WordPerfect, which was fortunate because that's what I knew.

    I don't think that's really as true anymore, though. At least, everyone I personally know in that industry has long since migrated to Word.

  14. Re:Mac OS X Native Versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    it is downloadable from development version's download page

  15. Re:Mac OS X Native Versions by ztirffritz · · Score: 2, Informative

    OK I found it with Google... http://www.abisource.com/download/development.phtm l

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  16. Re:I'd call corrupting files more than a quirk, to by anomalous+cohort · · Score: 3, Informative
    why would the user ever want to *not* repair the file when they try to open it?

    Because they opened the wrong file by mistake and that file isn't really in the format supported by the application opening it. This goes back to a principal in GUI design where the tool should never make an irreversible change that wasn't asked for by the user without first checking with the user. In this case, the user asked to read the file, not write the file. Yet, the tool needs to write the file in order to repair it.

  17. Re:Fancy stuff by weeble · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a common file format and the next release of Abiword, Kword and Open Office should all use the oasis file format:

    http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php ?w g_abbrev=office

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  18. Re:I'd call corrupting files more than a quirk, to by LordIvan · · Score: 2, Informative
    "Another story: Someone gave me an MS Excel spreadsheet. I opened it in Excel, but was unable to discover how to make the row and column headings stay visible when I scrolled to the right or down. The Excel help was no help."

    funny you had that problem:

    using excel 2000.
    Help menu -> MS Office help.
    Type in 'keeping column headers visible when you scroll'.
    Two hits returned on this search query, one of which tells you exactly how to do this.

    Microsoft provides a great help system, if you actually take the few seconds to use it.

    (Having said that - I've been using Abiword and kword a lot recently, and liking them for their lack of bloat and speed - But to claim that MS help offers no assistance is a little misleading - MS always have provided good documentation and help in their products.)

  19. Re:Not worth the time to read it, summary below... by Lennie · · Score: 2, Informative

    AFAIK In Windows 2000:

    System Properties -> Advanced -> Start Up and Recovery -> Write Debug Information -> (none)

    it does this in the space used by the swap file, so it needs to be turned off.

    After that, you can turn off all swapping.

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  20. Re:Mac OS X Native Versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative