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BBC Launches Downloaded Music Charts

PReDiToR writes "The BBC today aired its first chart rundown of downloaded music. 'The Official UK Download Chart is based on the most popular, legally downloaded tracks in the UK. It's compiled from the sale of permanently owned single track downloads and doesn't include streamed downloads, subscriptions or free downloads.' The Chart played on Radio 1, the UK's most listened to station, and will be a regular feature."

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  1. A Hit Chart... by darth_MALL · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the country that brought us the Spice Girls. No Thanks.

    1. Re:A Hit Chart... by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...as well as The Who, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and every other band that matters.

    2. Re:A Hit Chart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dad?!?
      =)

    3. Re:A Hit Chart... by dpfau · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to mention The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, The Clash, The Smiths...

      I can keep going.

    4. Re:A Hit Chart... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 5, Funny
      Yeah. I'd rather have a chart from the country that brought us Britney Spears, such prolific artists as Vanilla Ice, and a legion of sentimental teenage dramas.

      [ducks]

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    5. Re:A Hit Chart... by Gooba42 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Despite your beliefs on the matter, you don't actually have to be gay to have taste.

      It is refreshing to see you use the phrase in a positive manner though.

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    6. Re:A Hit Chart... by Stween · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... Pink Floyd ...

    7. Re:A Hit Chart... by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Interesting
      every other band that matters

      Including the only band that mattered.

      The British impact on popular music over the last fifty years is arguably greater than that of any country in the world, including the US.

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    8. Re:A Hit Chart... by ambienceman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's not forget Massive Attack, Tricky, Portishead, Roni Size, Sneaker Pimps, and so many more...

    9. Re:A Hit Chart... by schtum · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sorry, most of us already have.

    10. Re:A Hit Chart... by panaceaa · · Score: 4, Funny

      What about Sweden??? Come on man, they brought us ABBA, The Cardigans AND Ace of Base!!!

  2. Good Statistic?? by artlu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can this be a reasonably good statistic? Most of the music that I listen to online either comes from online radio stations, Poisoned (mac app), or iTunes. What clout would this have over any other song statistics?

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  3. Wouldn't it be cool by shfted! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be cool to link such a list to bittorrent for automatic downloading? That way, you'd get fresh music that's supposedly good every day. I'd love it. And it would be user selected music -- not the crap the recording industry feels like feeding us this week.

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    1. Re:Wouldn't it be cool by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 3, Funny
      The top 20 provided is a little too posh pop for my liking.

      I guess you just don't realize that Avril Lavigne is NOT a pop star. She's an Ar-teest'. You can just feel her angst and pain as she sings every one of her heart felt lyrcs.

      Oh, you're right. Who am I kidding? At least Outkast made the list.

    2. Re:Wouldn't it be cool by colinramsay · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Jesus Fucking Christ, I'm sick of you indie kids. Just because something is "manufactured" doesn't make it BAD. Half the shit that you listen to will be as contrived as Avril or Britney, and the thing is you don't even realise it!

      Meanwhile Avril releases Don't Tell me and Britney releases Toxic and obliterates virtually every release this year that meets your cool quotient but you've got your head stuck too far up your ass to realise it.

    3. Re:Wouldn't it be cool by emm-tee · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, they entertain. They wouldn't claim anything else. They come from a shit town, and they take the piss out of it, themselves, and anyone else that strays near. They've been making records for years, giving them to their mates, having a laugh.

      Now the media has picked up on the comedy (and genius), so they get their moment of fame. I think they're pretty realistic about it though. As they say, they're out for a laugh, they fully expect to be back working the tills in supermarkets before long.

      They're fucking funny though. If you don't knows it, download some of their stuff, it's funny as fuck. Their website is http://www.youknowsit.co.uk/.

    4. Re:Wouldn't it be cool by g-doo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. Finally, another person who understands. Honestly, part of the reason why people keep classifying this manufactured music as bad is because other people claim that it's bad. It's just the cool thing to do. The power of influence can really blind you over what's really your own opinion and what isn't. These artists don't hit the top of the charts because everyone hates them. Think about it.

    5. Re:Wouldn't it be cool by rooijan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally I don't think manufactured necessarily equates to bad. What gets me is that to have a successful pop career (where pop is things like Britney, Avril etc) you have to be attractive and sexy. Ever seen an ugly *pop* star? Would most pop survive on the radio, without sex-on-TV music videos to back it up?

      Some other genres of music (hard rock, metal, jazz etc) do not rely on attractive people to make it sell, they rely on good music.

      Having said that, I listen to and enjoy many pop tunes. However, what I also object to is the fact that media and listeners give the singer all the credit for the song. All the singer did is sing (and occasionally an effect is even added, presumably because they can't even sing that well). Why aren't we crediting the people who wrote the music, the people who played their instruments etc.?

      I know that a solo musician's band is hardly ever credited and it has been this way for decades, but IMHO it is becoming more and more prevalent and very annoying. At least most solo musicians of the 60's, 70's and some of them in the 80's wrote their own songs (or wote most of them at least).

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  4. More Information by Feneric · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It would be nice if they posted a bit more info. Like for example exactly how the figures are tabulated -- is it a straight weekly sum, or are past results worked in somehow either through strict accumulation or a weighted average... Furthermore, do audio books get tossed into the mix (not that one is apt to win)? It would also be neat to see what formats people were downloading the music in.

  5. The problem with the chart is... by happyhippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..that all the sites are stacked with crap pop music and have hardly any decent real proper music on them.

  6. I feel old by rjstanford · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just realized that out of those twenty songs, I recognized exactly ... none of them. Sheesh. And I even listen to the radio (Jack FM in Dallas, KGSR in Austin) - I guess my musical tastes aren't anywhere close to mainstream any more.

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    1. Re:I feel old by Frogbert · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry they are exactly the same as the ones you know, just with rap lyrics.

  7. I wonder... by jmcmunn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how long it takes for music companies or artists to artifically inflate the "legal downloads" of their music so that people think it is "popular" when they hear it on the radio on the Top 20.

    And of course once it is "popular" people will start buying it to see what the fuss is about, thus selling more. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but it seems like another way to get the same stuff to sell even more. Oh well.

  8. Nitpick alert by T-Kir · · Score: 4, Informative

    I RTA earlier, but IIRC Radio 2 is the most listened to radio station in the UK, not Radio 1.

    Yes I know, nitpick alert... but the subject matter is relating to chart positions :-)

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    1. Re:Nitpick alert by ed_g2s · · Score: 4, Informative

      YRC: Radio 1: 9.73 million Radio 2: 13.43 million Radio 3: 2.02 million Radio 4: 9.51 million Radio Five Live: 6.15 million

  9. Official Downloads Sites: by usefool · · Score: 5, Informative
    At the bottom of the article is a list of "Official Downloads Sites", it'll be interesting when we can get the sales figures from each one of them for the complete chart.
    • iTunes
    • Napster
    • MyCokeMusic
    • Streets Online
    • 7 Digital Media
    • Playlouder
    • MSN Music
    • Big Noise Music
    • HMV
    • Virgin
    • Tiscali Music
    • Sonic Selector
    • Wanadoo
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  10. Something more interesting... by ElForesto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... would be a list of the most-downloaded songs that weren't paid for. You could compare that to this list and see which songs are actually worth buying.

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  11. peel by justforaday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    give me a site that lets me download whatever song john peel is currently playing and i'll be happy.

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    1. Re:peel by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um. Strictly accurately, there is! He's a DJ on radio-1, and there's a 'play live' music button :-)

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  12. Copyleft my ass by RabidChicken · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am greatly disappointed in so far as the chart offered automatically discounts legitimate artists that do not choose to sell their tracks online but give them away for free. Examples being Brad Sucks and the Acedia Music Netlabel under licenses such as the Creative Commons music license. It will take something like the BBC or other mainstream music outlets (MTV or other such dribble) to recognize this music distribution model to get artists any exposure. That being said I can see how from a purely practical level that one would have to rely either on the artists themselves or mirrors to provide statistics which may be skewered. In addition, artists like Brad Sucks may get significantly more downloads from the simple fact of being free (in every sense) rather than another indie band that has only pay downloads.

    Bah humbug.

    P.S. Brad Sucks is one of my favourite bands

  13. A positive development by Sanity · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Those familiar with the BBC will be familiar with "Top of the Pops" - a long-running BBC show targeting teenagers which used the TV station we all pay for to funnel the greatest pile of unbelievably crap commercial noise (the term "music" doesn't really apply) into the eager ears of Britain's youth. This was based on the UK singles chart which is widely regarded to be completely manipulated by the music industry. Why exactly the British public must pay for this weekly infomercial for the worst the music industry has to offer is quite beyond me.

    With any luck, the music industry will have a more difficult time in manipulating this chart, and it will therefore more accurately reflect the musical tastes of the UK's youth.

  14. Illegal dloads by StevenHenderson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Until the number of legal downloads FAR surpasses illegal ones, I will get my info from that list

  15. A SHit Chart... by Sad+Loser · · Score: 3, Insightful


    The Spice Girls are a good example, as they were a manufactured band, and this chart is designed to give official validation to a 'chart' that will be even easier for the big labels to manipulate.

    The BBC's independence doesn't quite extend to DJs and producers being able to resist big bribes by labels wanting to get their songs onto playlists. Ever wonder why Radio One DJs have big houses and lots of cars? Let's face it, it's not because they are talented.

    The BBC has the resources to look at doing a far more interesting chart of what people are really wanting to listen to, by sampling p2p networks, but haven't got the imagination or balls to follow through, as for some reason they are beholden to the big labels.

    I pay my licence fee for independence from state interference, how about freedom from big business interference?

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  16. Chart Inflation by xombo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This will help online music sales in the long run but it will cause the same effect as "top sellers" in the CD market. Of course they're top sellers and they will continue to be since they're the most played music on the radio. That's why radio stations should promote new and notable artists instead of the same crap we've heard for the last three months, maybe that would help artists and encourage a better rotation on the air waves.

  17. Meanwhile by jb.hl.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All sensible people use Audioscrobbler and get their charts. They take into account what people listen to and not what they buy, meaning that it is less skewed towards teenyboppers and one hit wonders (which have low replay values) and fairer towards good bands.

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  18. iTunes is no match for iRATE by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 3, Informative
    iRATE radio is a GPL'ed MP3 downloader and player. From the page:

    iRATE radio is a collaborative filtering system for music. You rate the tracks it downloads and the server uses your ratings and other people's to guess what you'll like. The tracks are downloaded from websites which allow free and legal downloads of their music.
    According to iRATE's sourceforge statistics, it has had 15,344 downloads.

    I've been using iRATE for a little over a year now, and have downloaded about a thousand tracks with it. If I were a typical user, then that would suggest that iRATE users all together have downloaded about fifteen million songs, thus far surpassing iTunes' puny one million download total.

    Now, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Some of iRATE's downloads were existing users fetching updates, and not everyone who uses it keeps using it. But it clearly shows that free, legal downloads are potentially dwarfing the paid downloads being tracked by the BBC.

    Note that the RIAA doesn't get a penny from iRATE's downloads. They can't complain either, because the copyright holders - the musicians themselved - give permission to us to download their tracks when they post them on MP3 hosting services like the Internet Underground Music Archive.

    I discuss not only iRATE but a lot of other places to get free music downloads in my article Links to Tens of Thousands of Legal Music Downloads. Share the link with all your buddies who use p2p.

    Thank you for your attention.

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