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UPS Hacking in Hurricane Season?

kengreenebaum asks: "Perhaps not the most exciting of topic; however it is storm season and I have a couple of UPS's that need new batteries. What is the best source for high quality, long lived replacement batteries for these devices? I assume it takes a special chemistry to survive continuous trickle charging and an occasional deep cycle. Has anybody tried connecting larger capacity batteries external to the UPS enclosure to attempt longer run times? (Obviously the load capacity is based on the inverter itself and can't easily be modified) Also what software do you use for monitoring and automatic shutdown on Linux? I have collected quite a few APC and Belkin UPS's 700VA or smaller as they go on rebate/sale."

62 comments

  1. UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by nuxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just FYI, if you have a UPS with replacable batteries (not the crap throw-away Energizer or whatever brand ones) it's very likely that the battery inside is a gel-type sealed lead acid battery. Just take the battery out and look at the markings on them. Odds are good that you'll be able to find a replacement either on eBay or any of the cheap battery suppliers online.

    Myself and a number of friends of mine have acquired SmartUPS' (typically >1400) for free, simply because they are 'broken', and a battery replacement costing around US$50 or so makes them like new. Oh, and a good SmartUPS is really, really nice compared to a standard passive device.

    1. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by JVert · · Score: 1

      Could you attatch a car battery to the same UPS? I know they have 6 volt, for motorcycles or something. But wouldn't those have a lot longer lifespan (err, die faster but be able to produce power for longer) and be a lot better choice by sacrificing portability, safety and environmental friendlyness? (The true 'hack' definition)

    2. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by nuxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here's the thing... I *think* you could, but unless you properly take into account the amperage of the batteries and such, you could risk damage to the circuitry which handles the switching. And that would be bad...

      That reminds me of how once when working retail, this guy came in and asked me how many deep cycle batteries he could chain off an APC BackUPS. He wanted literally racks and racks of them, so that he could handle his whole house. All while having things switched by that little BackUPS...

      I'm not sure if you've ever been in a server room, but the UPS' to handle switching massive loads like this tend to be multiple-rack-sized, having contacts that look more like copper paperback books jutting out of the panel.

    3. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Get a deep cycle/marine battery. They are designed to survive being totally discharged, something a car battery doesn't handle very well. Just get a 25-30 USD batter charger to charge it and it will work great.

      The connection to the UPS will be best described by someone who has done it before.

    4. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by shfted! · · Score: 2, Informative

      Deep cycle batteries are not designed to be completely discharged! Completely discharging any battery causes quite a bit of damage to the plates inside. Deep cycle batteries do, however, survive deeper cycles than regular batteries, but should never be drained to empty.

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    5. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by caseih · · Score: 3, Informative

      The cheapest place I've ever seen to buy new batteries for just about anything, including UPS, is at: http://www.gotbatteries.com

      They also have volume discounts. We were able to replace all 64 batteries in our APC UPS unit for around 9 dollars a piece. This is a fraction of the cost APC would have charged. At the time they didn't have the 7 Amp batteries we needed, so we got 8 Amp ones instead (I think that's what it was). Anyway, great deal. Brandname batteries too.

    6. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by itwerx · · Score: 1

      ..., you could risk damage to the circuitry which handles the switching...

      I'll weigh in with the voice of experience here. :)
      Whether or not the switching ciruit fries depends on how much load you put on it. If you don't exceed the rated max capacity of the UPS it will be okay.
      Unfortunately that's not enough to get you out of the woods because the first time the batteries discharge significantly the charging circuit will fry instead.
      All that in mind, you might be able to get away with increasing the capacity by 10%-20% or so simply because that will likely be within design tolerances. YMMV, IANAEE etc

    7. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes you can.

      If you get the kind of UPS that has 2 6 volt sealed lead-acid batteries in series, then you can replace it with an ordinary car battery.

      Some things to keep in mind:

      1) put the car battery in a big plastic container so it doesn't leak and ruin the floor

      2) the wires have to be very thick. If you wire it up with lamp cord or less, the insulation will catch fire when the power goes out and the battery is trying to dump all that juice out.

      3) More battery in the same UPS doesn't increase the number of items you can plug into the UPS at once, it just increases the amount of time the same stuff can run. In fact, many of the cheaper UPS's don't seem to built for long, continuous operation; a UPS that usually lasts 5 minutes may start smoking when you put in a bigger battery and run it for 10 minutes.

      4) compare the cost and trouble of UPSs to running a journalling file system, doing regular backups, and buying an additional harddrive every three years or so.

    8. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by spikestabber · · Score: 1

      Considering most UPS's wont run a battery completely dry before shutting off, that argument is quite flawed.

    9. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 1

      How about putting a trickle charger on the "auxilary" car battery? You can get one at any auto parts store, or maybe even Target. Then the UPS isn't charging the battery, just discharging it through its inverter. If this is indeed for a temporary fix through hurricane season, you could use auto jumper cables to connect the UPS's battery to the car battery. You'd have to take the UPS out of its case to expose the battery terminals, so you'd expose all the circuits. Keep the cat away, but it should work.

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    10. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by leuk_he · · Score: 1

      whoever moderated this parent up up......

      put the car battery in a big plastic container so it doesn't leak and ruin the floor
      Make sure tis is a ventilated space. Car batteries are made to run in ventilated spaces...a and that is for a reason.

      the wires have to be very thick. If you wire it up with lamp cord or less, the insulation will catch fire when the power goes out and the battery is trying to dump all that juice out.
      If you ever tried this (sounds like it ) then you might not know what you are doing.

      UPS that usually lasts 5 minutes may start smoking when you put in a bigger battery and run it for 10 minutes.
      Sound you are getting too much juice from a simple ups. This should not happen. Or you replace the batteries with a version that gives too much volt/ low internal resistance. Then the ups has to burn too much energy.

      compare the cost and trouble of UPSs to running a journalling file system,
      apple and pears.
      Backups are still needed when using a ups (user error....)
      And a ups might give you a more stable computer system since it filters the power continuesly, this might be important in some underdevelopment area's (like florida, usa?) where they have brwonouts and so on.
      And even with journalling file system YOU MIGHT LOOSE DATA, since it often only journals the directory structure, not the data structure.

    11. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by itwerx · · Score: 1

      How about putting a trickle charger on the "auxilary" car battery?

      I'm not sure how the best way would be to implement that without causing conflict (ground loops, overvoltage etc) between the two systems but yeah, that might work.

    12. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by h2odragon · · Score: 1

      diodes.

      I think im about to try this on an apc smartups 750 thats behaving badly with 50%+ loads anyway. The little bits of electron pusher knowledge i cling to in a ritualistic, voodoo like sense lead me to beleive it'll work. If it doesnt put "he was wrong" on a tombstone over the smoking crater.

  2. Not sure if entire relavent by Student_Tech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For the batteries, if it is maintaining the voltage at a "float voltage" the batteries can be held nearly indefintly without a discharge or worry of overcharging. Lead acids have a float voltage of about 2.35 volts/cel (based on some quick googling). They will still die after some time.
    But I don't know what technology, size, or how the UPSes actually using the batteries.
    If I was DIY a UPS, I would have about 10 12Volt batteries (no transformers...), drive them off a full-wave rectifier, filter the power from the rectifier a bit, and then invert the power to make it back to AC and use my equipment off that. Advantage, I am always off the batteries, disadvantage, I have no monitoring ability and if I was to set the incoming voltage to the float voltage, it will probably take a while to charge.

    1. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by spikestabber · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've ran computer switching power supplies off of 110V DC (Direct current) before. Since their internal switching unit does not need the alternating current anyways. The AC is just converted to DC and filtered with a couple large capacitors, so feeding it DC will work just fine.

    2. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by pbox · · Score: 1

      110V AC = 110V peak, 110 / SQRT(2) ~ 80V effective

      110V DC = 110V effective.

      In other words, clouds of smoke, PCB BBQ and general panic... If not you are 41.42 % off voltage and maybe your PSU's tolerance deals with it, but most likely not...

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    3. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 1

      Any decent SMPSU these days will be rated from 110V AC through to 250V AC (which ends up at around 340V DC internally here) but can go somewhat above or below. At least all the decent ones I've seen in the UK can ayway.

      All the ones I've encountered work by taking the line voltage, rectifying and smoothing it and then chopping the DC at high frequency and feeding that into a transformer. The secondaries of the transformer are then rectified and smoothed again and fed to the rest of the box except for one winding which is fed back to the fequency generator on the primary side to control the transformer input frequency. This means that SMPSUs can handle a very wide range of voltages simply by modifying the frequency at which the primary winding of the main transformer is powered.

    4. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      110V AC = 110V peak, 110 / SQRT(2) ~ 80V effective

      Ummm, no. 110V AC is the RMS value. Peak is about 170 V.

    5. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by Atomizer · · Score: 1

      Also about once a month flip your mattress and reverse the polority off the UPS to the computer. You don't want to wear out only one side of the rectifier.

    6. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      110VAC from the wall is 110Vrms... therefore 110Vrms*(sqrt(2)) = ~155 V peak..

    7. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by pbox · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. Thanks. I got that diploma long time ago :-)

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    8. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by spikestabber · · Score: 1

      Exactly, the internal capacitor voltage runs at 180v. No cloud of smoke here man. :P

  3. APCUPSD by spikestabber · · Score: 4, Informative

    If your using an APC ups, apcupsd is by far the best one to use. www2.apcupsd.com/

  4. dont use car batteries by spikestabber · · Score: 1

    They wont last near as long as a nice big marine deep cycle battery. (if your UPS runs on 24 volts, 2 will do nicely) Since obviously these batteries are designed for deep cycles.

    1. Re:dont use car batteries by bobv-pillars-net · · Score: 2, Informative

      You want Valve-Regulated Sealed Lead-Acid, Absorbed Glass Mat (VRLA/AGM) batteries. Personally, I use two of these babies on my BackUPS. I can run my computer for three days on an outage. And during Hurricane season, a three-day outage is not unheard-of.

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    2. Re:dont use car batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On something like a SmartUPS, do the electronics/firmware try to artificially limit the total energy output to stay within the model rating? I.e. if I swap-out the bundled battery in a SmartUPS with a battery that has multiple times the capacity of the bundled one, but the same voltage, will I actually get the increased runtime associated with the larger battery?

    3. Re:dont use car batteries by bobv-pillars-net · · Score: 1
      Runtime is definitely longer. I've gone as long as two days on a power outage, and I suspect that I could go at least three.

      Some people here have warned that the UPS won't fully charge a larger-model battery, but I've been using this setup for four years now and it works fine for me.

      Only prob I had was I shut it off once, during an outage, and couldn't turn it back on. I suspect something is wrong with the internal electronics, but it was rescued from the trash heap and works in all other respects, so I'm definitely not complaining.

      The DC-88 (Deep Cycle, 88 Amp-Hour) battery whose specs I quoted costs about $85 and is available from a nation-wide distributor. Another poster recommended Batteries Plus. They carry Optima batteries, which are considered top-of-the-line, but they cost about twice as much for the same capacity.

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  5. Trade it in by bluGill · · Score: 3, Informative

    APC has a nice trade in program, take ANY UPS, send it in, and get a nice discount on a new one. Check their website out for details. (I'm sure their comptition has something too)

    Now I'm sure you are still paying more than just batteries. However you get a system that is designed to work, with electronics that are not used and have no seen some unknown number of surges. You don't take a chance that the charger is broken (which may or may not break the batteries)

    If you really must go cheap, inverters are getting really cheap, connect a few batteries to an inverter with a standard battery charger. You don't get monitoring, but you know when the lights go out, plus you have a lot more runtime. For extra points you can make your charger a solar system and run your computers off the grid. (Note, to get a system that doesn't waste a lot of energy you must to some research, but this theory will work)

  6. Battery info by belg4mit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, if the UPs is worth a dam the backups aren't on a trickle charge; it should be periodically testing and charging as necessary.
    Deep cycling is bad for any battery, but excercising them extends their life. I recently came across an interesting resource when doing
    my own research on batteries

    http://www.buchmann.ca/default.asp

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  7. apcupsd by AllMightyPaul · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like http://www.apcupsd.org to handle my APC UPS on Linux. It works very well, and also supports some Belkin UPSes.

  8. Experienced advice by n1ywb · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Small UPSs typically use sealed immobilized-electrolyte lead acid batteries, more commonly referred to as gel-cells. They aren't special at all, they are quite common.

    2. I usually buy gel-cells cheaply at hamfests. They last quite a long time, and used ones are often a good buy. They're heavy, and while you can buy them mailorder, shipping will add up. Better to find a local supplier if you can. Lots of places sell them online though, just google (or froogle) for "gel-cells".

    3. Most small UPSs have a CPU that is programmed with the approximate capacity of it's battery. Using grossly different sized batteries will likely cause the UPS to freak out, or at least not use the batteries' full capacity. Don't connect deep cycle marine batteries to your UPS's guts, it won't work right. Heck, I once had a UPS go south just because I let it sit with no battery for 6 months and the CPU lost its memory.

    4. You need to be careful, because the term UPS can refer to a pussy office UPS thats basicly a bloated power strip, or it can refer to a building full of batteries capable of running a large factory for an hour. UPS components come in all shapes and sizes. A UPS is four things, and inverter, a battery charger, a battery, and an automatic switch. You can build and or buy some or all of those components separately if you wish. Look at places that sell solar power and alternative energy systems for people off the grid. All kinds of beafy power equipment.

    Happy hacking!

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    1. Re:Experienced advice by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ...the term UPS can refer to a pussy office UPS thats basicly a bloated power strip, or it can refer to a building full of batteries capable of running a large factory for an hour.
      At the server farm where I work, it refers to a room full of lead-acid batteries that are capable (so management claims) of powering all 10,000 systems for 14 hours, plus a diesel generator. In fact, server farms are a major air quality problem in Silicon Valley, 'cause whenever there's a brown- or blackout, dozens of them fire up their diesels, pouring an ungodly amount of particulate in the air.
    2. Re:Experienced advice by bhima · · Score: 1

      Our generator uses Natural Gas, much cleaner.

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    3. Re:Experienced advice by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Does you company have an environmental conscience? Or are you just located in a place with sane air quality laws?

    4. Re:Experienced advice by bhima · · Score: 1

      The company no, not really; The Employees very much so. Air quality laws are pretty good, and maybe tightened soon because we have a majority of diesel cars.

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    5. Re:Experienced advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the server farm where I work, it refers to a room full of lead-acid batteries that are capable (so management claims) of powering all 10,000 systems for 14 hours, plus a diesel generator.

      You know, testing isn't that hard. And it's much better to know now rather than later.

    6. Re:Experienced advice by Daniel+Boisvert · · Score: 1

      3. Most small UPSs have a CPU that is programmed with the approximate capacity of it's battery. Using grossly different sized batteries will likely cause the UPS to freak out, or at least not use the batteries' full capacity. Don't connect deep cycle marine batteries to your UPS's guts, it won't work right. Heck, I once had a UPS go south just because I let it sit with no battery for 6 months and the CPU lost its memory.

      I think there's a way around this, at least on APC UPSes. If the CPU "forgets" the battery data, or simply doesn't have it right, APC's website tells you to simply put a non-critical load on the UPS (with batts at full charge) and unplug the UPS from the wall. Wait until the UPS shuts itself off and you should be all set. Apparently the UPS will be able to determine the necessary battery data from how long the battery lasts.

      I'm not sure if this info is particular to the SMART-UPS line or is common across all their products, but it was given as a solution to the "blinking battery lights when UPS load reaches moderate levels" problem I was having with my SMART-UPS 1000 (which currently needs new batts, so this Ask Slashdot is nicely timed ;).

    7. Re:Experienced advice by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Natural Gas is a lot cheaper the Petro.

    8. Re:Experienced advice by fm6 · · Score: 1

      So the question is, who made the decision to use natural gas instead of diesel? Yes, it's cleaner -- but most companies don't spend extra money on stuff like this unless somebody makes them.

    9. Re:Experienced advice by fm6 · · Score: 1

      So why do most emergency generators use diesel? The lovely smell?

    10. Re:Experienced advice by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Because its easy to work with and requires no extra work when the generator is installed. Some gas companies charge extra for the larger pipes and flow rates need for a large generator and some cities make it more difficult to get a permit if you use natural gas.

    11. Re:Experienced advice by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Which boils down to, "it costs more". What I said.

    12. Re:Experienced advice by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      No, the first time the word cost appears in this thread is in the parent to this post ;->

      It's not that it costs more in every instance and when it does it is just in the install phase that it does. Quite a lot of people don't know that they can get NG generators for an inexpensive price.

    13. Re:Experienced advice by afidel · · Score: 1

      Many places use natural gas because it is zero maintenance. Natural gas doesn't need to be checked every couple years like offroad diesel, it doesn't need to be trucked in during an extended power outage, etc. And unless you live in an earthquake zone the chances of it being disrupted are nill. Another cool generator type I saw at a large financial institution in California was a natural gas powered turbine, basically it was a smaller version of a natural gas power plant.

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    14. Re:Experienced advice by afidel · · Score: 1

      Diesel is more stable than gasoline so long term storage is a lot less of a problem (especially special grades of offroad diesel).

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    15. Re:Experienced advice by Judg3 · · Score: 1

      Diesel generators are a lot more cost efficient when you get into large KW ones. To achieve the same type of KW rating with Natural Gas, you tend to need a turbine generator, which uses a lot more fuel then a diesel gen.

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    16. Re:Experienced advice by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall that turbines require a lot more maintenance than other types of engines.

  9. Batteries Plus by Matt+Perry · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've used Batteries Plus to replace the batteries in my UPSs. They have the correct batteries for different types of UPSs and have been pretty reasonable on prices. They're a franchise so they're all over the US.

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  10. Link to DIY-UPS instructions, general info by pro-mpd · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.dansdata.com/diyups.htm

    For those familiar with Dan, you know that it's bound to be interesting. What he does is somewhat of the solution described in some comments.... battery charger, batteries, inverter. He also talks about the merits and pitfalls of different batteries in UPS systems.

  11. Generic battery info by Fallon · · Score: 2, Informative

    On average a battery will last around 2-3 years, tops.

    The primary cause to battery failure is sulfitization (sp?) where sulfer crystals form on the battery plates and block the normal battery chemical reactions. This occurs MUCH faster when the battery is not 100% charged. The best thing you can do for any battery is keep it on a trickle charger, which most if not all UPS's do.

    If you rarely loose power, normal batteries might be a cheaper choice for similar results. Deep cycle batteries have thicker plates for more durability, and are less likely to have the plates damaged when heavily drained. They sacrafice capacity and avalable amprage for this extra durability. Standard automotive batteries are designed to pretty much never get drawn below 70% capacity.

    Unless your into some serious hardware hacking though, I'd stick with something nearly the same as the UPS is speced for.

  12. Optima by austad · · Score: 2, Informative

    Buy an Optima Blue Top. It's a gel cell, and they are indestructable. The Blue Top is a Marine Battery, and optima recommends them over the Deep Cycle Yellow top for UPS usage.

    http://www.optimabatteries.com

    I had a Red Top in my 83 GTI that was 12 years old (the battery, car was older). It started my car (which sat outside all night) on a -45 degree morning (actual -45, without wind chill). Any battery that can go 12 years and still do that is amazing. The military puts them in everything from Hummers to helicopters.

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  13. Using a car battery? Be sure and get a sealed one by human+bean · · Score: 1

    Lead-acid batteries make hydrogen as they charge. In normal environments this is not a problem, but in the places that UPSs are likely to hide (closets, racks, mechanical rooms, under the raised floor...), there may be enough of an air restriction to cause a buildup.

    It's kind of ugly when catches fire...

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  14. UPS on the cheap by stvangel · · Score: 1

    I've taken a rather pragmatic approach to the whole UPS situation. The power in my house and at my company is usually pretty stable, except for an occasional flicker once in a while, usually during a thunderstorm. My philosophy is to use the UPSs only long enough to handle a flicker or to keep the systems up long enough to do a shutdown. The power only goes out for more than 30 seconds no more than once a year or so. I don't really feel the need to spend much (any) money to handle something that only happens once or twice a year.

    I can get broken UPS for free, just for hauling them away. Unless it's taken a lightning hit or something, 90% of the time the electronics are fine and the battery has gone bad.lectronics are fine and it's the battery that's toast.

    1. Re:UPS on the cheap by stvangel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay, I have no idea how that got submitted. Must have been a UPS glitch. :)

      What I was saying was, I use "broken" UPS with used batteries that I can get for next to nothing. Old car batteries have worked well for me. I charge them up fully with a normal car battery charger before I hook them up to the UPS guts. Even if they can't provide the surge to start a car anymore, they can still usually provide enough power to run the computer through a few-second glitch and a minute or two shutdown. Even if I have to replace them once every couple of years, they haven't really cost me anything in the first place.

      I just want the UPS to carry me through the few second brownout or outtage. If the power is out for more than 10 seconds, chances are it's going to be off for a while and I trigger the shutdown on the systems. I don't plug the monitors into the UPSs because 21" monitors take too much current draw and why bother leaving them on just to watch the shutdown. I've been using a half-dozen UPS like this for 10 years now, and haven't spent more than $100 or so total.

      Having said that, I have one Main server that runs on a normal UPS that can keep it, the main router, and the internet link up for an hour. This -does- need to stay up because it's too much of a pain to restart everything. Everything else can shut off until the power resumes.

  15. Chaining batteries by Flexagon · · Score: 1

    how many deep cycle batteries he could chain off an APC BackUPS

    Only slightly above the "toy" UPSes, APC has models that let you chain external battery units (no need to hack the hardware, which probably makes assumptions about the supported battery technology and configuration, thus limiting your options on battery choice). The last one I used had to be told through its software on the server how many external batteries it had, but then handled everything thereafter. Perhaps the original poster's units are among these? Also, APC claims to have mgt software for several Linux distros (PowerChute Business Edition Basic).

    I'm really amused at how the decrease in power quality in Californa and the East is causing more ordinary people to add load (the UPS) to deal with it. My prefered defense is to start with a laptop, which has lower power requirements and smarter management to begin with plus its own battery, and then I can reduce or eliminate the UPS.

  16. Replacing UPS batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    There are three kinds of lead-acid battery cells:
    1. Flooded. This is the standard lead-plates-in-sulfuric-acid design used in car batteries. These must be kept upright. Car starting batteries use a spongy electrode design for large surface area (and thus high current capacity), but deep discharging collapses the spongy structure. Deep-cycle batteries use more solid plates that can stand more cycles of surface recrystalization.
    2. Gel cells. The electrolyte is gelled to keep it in place even if the cell is inverted. The gelling increases the internal resistance of the cell, making it worse for high-discharge-rate applications.
    3. Absorbed glass mat (AGM) cells. These use a fiberglass-like mat to hold the electrolyte in place. Generally considered a step up from gel cells.
    The latter two (and some maintenence-free designs of the first) are known as "valve-regulated lead-acid" (VRLA) cells. Rather than vent gasses generated by the charging process, they try to keep it trapped and have it recombine internally. If you charge them too fast, overpressure valves will open and you'll lose water irreplacably.

    If you can be bothered to do the maintenance (top up with distilled water every 6 months), flooded-electrolyte cells are better value for he money, but sealed (VRLA) cells are more convenient.

    All three have slightly different optimal charging voltages. There's usually a trim pot inside most UPSes that you can adjust to dial it in for a different battery type.

    In general, you can replace the batteries in a UPS by any other lead-acid batteries. I routinely substitute larger external batteries to get more run time. This is doubly good in that batteries that can be discharged in 15 minutes (like most UPS's normal cells) are specialty items. But a couple of big external honkers and you can get 3+ hours of run time (at work, I aborted a run-time test on the main server after 200 minutes), and you don't need to shop as carefully. Most batteries will give good service at a 1 hour discharge rate or lower, although a 10 hour discharge rate is usually used for capacity quotes. Google on "Peukert's equation" for details,

    A big battery will take forever to charge, but that's usually not a problem for a UPS application. A super-cheap charger could in theory overheat, bit I've never seen a problem.

    The main type of UPS that you do have to be careful about is the really cheap $99 fanless UPS. They get hot if they run near full load, and rely on the battery giving out before they overheat! You might be able to use them if you derate them a lot, but I haven't tried. If your UPS has a cooling fan that looks like more than an afterthought, it should be able to run some honkers just fine. Just wire enough in series to give the same voltage.

    Remember to use thick short wires. When converting 12V to 120V, the 12V wires carry 10 times the current of the 120V wires, plus efficiency losses, and losing 1V is much worse. For the same proportional power loss, you need wires of 100 times less resistance than your AC cords. If they're 1/4 the length, that means they need 25 times the area (5 times the diameter). If you add longer wires to connect external batteries, make them thicker than the UPS's internal wires to compensate.

    If your UPS runs on a higher voltage (the good big ones do), you're in better shape, but still really watch the low-voltage resistance. Thick wire, clean terminals, bolted down tight. A good crimped connection is actually lower resistance than a soldered connection, but I crimp it on and then flood the connector with solder. (A cheap 15W soldering iron will not be able to do that. A carefully used plumber's blowtorch will work better.)

    If you're connecting multiple batteries in parallel, watch the wiring carefully to equalize resistance. Home solar web sites give examples. The big one is, if batteries A, B and C are connected in parallel, to connect the UPS to the negative terminal of battery A and the positive terminal of battery C. That way no battery is closer" to the UPS than any other. Also, when running big banks in series/parallel, you do want your series chains cross-connected at each "rung", although you don't need quite as thick wire.

  17. Re:Just move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This should not be modded down. It's entirely on topic. Another solution is to pay one of your sensible midwestern relatives to host your computer for you on a cable connection, and they get free internet out of it too.

  18. NUT: Network UPS Tools by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 1
    If you're running older small UPSes, you're probably running more that one machine as well. To allow networked machines to get UPS status info and shutdown when the going gets rough, look at NUT.

    Can be a chore to setup, but works with a variety of equipment and some good info there as well.

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  19. Check your local electronic supply store by llefler · · Score: 1

    I have replaced several batteries in a range of APC UPSs. Since batteries tend to be heavy, it's usually cheapest to go to the local electronic supply store. (we aren't talking Radio Shack)

    One caveat, newer consumer APCs have been using a special connector. With those you may have no choice but to get them from APC.

    If you want to make your batteries last longer, both in runtime and lifetime, don't put more than 1/2 the rated load on them. It can make the difference whether you get one year or three years out of them. But regardless, UPS batteries are consumable.

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  20. It's a Gas by fm6 · · Score: 1
    And unless you live in an earthquake zone the chances of it being disrupted are nill.
    Which is, I guess, why my company doesn't use one -- right on the San Andreas Fault. And come to think of it, attempts to supplement California's energy supply with gas-fired power plants always bring out the NIMBYs. Personally, I'd rather risk the odd explosion than breathe in all that air pollution. But what do I know?
  21. Renewable energy Mag with ups article by capdiamont · · Score: 1

    http://www.homepower.com/ Covers various forms of renewable energy, mainly for the home with a few businesses. The current issue is always freely downloadable in PDF format, if you register(free). http://www.homepower.com/files/midnight.pdf Is an article on a home sized UPS you can build yourself.