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Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2003-2004

An anonymous reader writes "Project Censored has come out with its list of the most censored media stores of 2003-2004. Some of the gems are "Bush Administration Censors Science", "U.S. Develops Lethal New Viruses", "Media and Government Ignore Dwindling Oil Supplies" and "Reinstating the Draft"."

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  1. Interesting... by cerberus4696 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...how all of these 'censored' stories reflect a left-leaning viewpoint.

    1. Re:Interesting... by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Who controls the media in this country?

      Corporations and shareholders?

      But seriously, how naive are you?

      Liberal journalists report to sub-editors who report to editors who report to directors who report to boards who report to shareholders. You think the board of any major news-gathering organisation consist of Socialist Party members - or Republicans? Or at least people on salaries that would benefit more from a Republican economic policy than a Democrat one?

      Maybe political power rests with the "right" but the last time I checked the balance of power in the Senate and House was pretty evenly matched. Take off your tin-foil hat.

      The Senate and House serve as a balance to the Office of the President; I'd suggest if they're split evenly if gives greater power (opportunity, whatever) to the President. You neglected to mention the Legislative branch; however, I'll concede that there, too, there are balances. It doesn't alter the fact that - right now - most people would acknowledge that it would be more accurate to describe the USA as "right-wing", compared to, say, 5 years ago (which most people, in the US at least[1], would probably class as "left-wing").

      And I resent the implication in the tin-foil hat comment. I made a comment about political reality, not some half-baked fear that "those damn Republicans are out to draft my daughter".

      [1] I'm not a US resident: I regard Clinton as a centrist politican, albeit slightly left-of-centre.

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    2. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Right-wingers tend to believe that keeping information from people is good for them. And what is one to censor but opposing viewpoints?

      Left-wingers tend to believe in freedom of information and choice. They have no interest in censoring even their opponents' views.

      Therefore, that which gets censored is that which offends the right wing.

    3. Re:Interesting... by moof1138 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I realize that you feel that way, but polls of journalists makes it clear that your feeling doesn't reflect reality. I am afraid I can't dredge up the dang polls I was recently reading, but the numbers are pretty close to 50/50 for many major newspapers. When you turn to TV news, the Republicans dominate all over. Even NPR, which many consider left leaning has 60% Republican journalists (!).

      In the end the viewpoints of the Journos are relatively unimportant. Editorial control is what matters, and the editors kowtow to advertisers and political pressure from whoever is in power (currently Republicans).

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    4. Re:Interesting... by nine-times · · Score: 1, Interesting
      It's not that interesting. Power right now rests with the right; stories with a right-wing slant are promoted, left-leaning stories demoted or censored

      Sorry, but there's still a leftist slant in the general media. Not all of the big media, but most. People very far on the left generally don't see it for the same reason people on the right think Fox is "fair and balanced". It's hard to detect a slant when you're slanted the same way.

      The fact that anyone is printing these means it's not "censored" by the government, but, if anything, under-reported. So the question gets rephrased: why is it that these stories have been "under-reported" by even the left-end of the media. The article is /.'ed, so I haven't RTFA, but there are a couple of possibilities. One may be that the stories are ones that are against the interests of large media conglomerates to print. For example, if we find that stories about large media mergers and monopolistic practices by media corporations and such are missing in the evening news, I think we can guess why.

      Another possibility is that these stories are ones that no respectable news organization takes seriously, and the writer of the article is a bit of an extremist nut-job. Like I said, I can't RTFA, but it's worth considering. After all, when your frustrated that your tin-foil hat conspiracy theories aren't being taken seriously by anyone who knows the facts, the next logical step is to write an article about the conspiracy to cover up the other nutty conspiracies.

      In any case, it's always good to know where you're getting information, and what the slant is. And don't fool yourself- everyone has a slant. If some isn't looking to convince you of something, they wouldn't be writing.

    5. Re:Interesting... by bleppie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry, but there's still a leftist slant in the general media.

      The media is pro-corporate rather than liberal or conservative. Their pro-corporate viewpoints are often in line with conservative viewpoints, and so the media is often seen as conservatively biased, when in fact their bias is pro-corporate.

      A good start: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-liberalmedia.htm

      This from FAIR: http://www.fair.org/reports/journalist-survey.html

      And of course this, although I have not read it: http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

    6. Re:Interesting... by dcam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Left and right are relative positions. Relative generally to where you stand. People tend to want to think of themselves as in the center, not either left or right.

      From my position, in Australia, your two major political are far to the right of all of the major parties in Australia (Liberal, Labor, Greens and Democrats). All of your news sources are far to the right most mainstream Australian news sources. For example I won't watch CNN because I consider that they are a little too far right for my liking.

      From what I have seen, the rest of the world is at least a little leftish when compared to America.

      Just to put this discussion into an international perspective.

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    7. Re:Interesting... by Darby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, what a nasty little troll you are.

      Clinton lied in a deposition. That is purgury. A crime. And that is what it was about.

      No, it was about doing anything possible to connect Clinton in any way with any sort of crime. They spent years trying to pin a whole slew of things on him and they all fell through. Except for the blowjob. So he lied about who gave him head. In most circles, that's called being a gentleman. In your sick little world it's justification for an impeachment. Magically, lying about WMDs, uranium and a whole bunch of other things which were used as an excuse to invade a country that was never any threat to us is ok in your book. Get a grip on reality, little troll.

      Porn higher than terrorism. Nope, doesn't hold water.

      Actually, it does. Porn, dirty language, and 5 other issues were above terrorism on the Justice department's priority scale. Ashcroft has admitted that, it's a matter of the public record, so again wake up little troll.

      Secret meetings with Enron - nope, no proof of that,

      Right. We know Ken Lay was there. We don't know who else was there, or what was discussed, but we do know that that was how our energy policy was set.

      You also have no concept of the meaning of the word 'fascist' if you are trying to apply it to conservatives.

      Actually, it means the merger of state and corporate power. So Enron writing our energy policy, Pfiser adding paragraphs to the Patriot Act to prevent them from being sued if their products cause autism in children, privatizing the military, allowing civilian contractors to order our soldiers to torture people are all examples of Fascism in action.

      You apparently do not know what the word means little troll.

  2. Hmm by Erwos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem I have is more that "censored" implies that the government went through with a pair of scissors and yanked out the offending stories. Not being widely covered is not really the same thing as being censored.

    Also, the site seems to be heavily Democratic in orientation. This could be a result of the more left-leaning college students who compile it, I suppose. But I wouldn't take the whole thing as a simple, unbiased academic exercise. Their commentary on the draft, for instance, reeks of a rather lop-sided view of the issue.

    -Erwos

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    1. Re:Hmm by jlgolson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bribe COUNTRIES? No. Bribe leaders of said countries? You bet your bottom dollar.

      Old failing dictator? He was a hell of a lot richer than Jacque Chirac and Kofi Annan.

      This is a hellstorm, and the UN is going to look REALLY bad when it's all said and done.

    2. Re:Hmm by SQL+Error · · Score: 1, Interesting

      you really think that anybody like saddam could bribe countries in the g7? You think such countries are so poor they have to take money from a old, failing dictator, when they could just sell airbuses to china?

      Yes. Have you looked at the economic forecasts for France and Germany lately? They are completely screwed.

  3. Interesting article on the draft issue by usurper_ii · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I don't think it is going to happen, I thought this was a really interesting article on the draft issue...and it came out of the Family Circle of all places. If my wife hadn't had it laying around, I would have probably never even heard about this. -- Usurper_ii

    Could your child be drafted?
    by Jan Goodwin

    High-school seniors have a lot on their minds these days--applying to
    college, getting accepted, finding the funds to pay for it, then worrying
    about whether they can get a job once they graduate. One thing they hadn't
    counted on, however, was being drafted into the military when they turn 18.

    There hasn't been a draft in the United States since 1973, but indications
    are strong that next year that may change. And for the first time, young
    women as well as men can expect to be called.

    Why a return to the draft? Because our troops (stationed in two-thirds of
    the world's countries) are spread so thinly, and because high casualty rates
    in Iraq and Afghanistan have dramatically reduced recruitment and
    reenlist-ment levels. A poll taken last year by Stars and Stripes, a
    Pentagon-funded newspaper for service personnel, found that 49 percent of
    respondents were not planning to reenlist.

    According to retired U.S. Army Colonel David Hackworth, a military analyst
    and one of the most decorated officers in the army, the U.S. military is now
    so shorthanded that a whopping 40 percent of the 135,000 troops being
    rotated into Iraq are National Guard members and reservists. Adds
    Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY); '"We haven't called up this level of
    reservists since the Korean War."

    What's more, if House and Senate bills HR163 and S89 pass, the loophole 'of
    college, used by many to avoid serving in Vietnam, will be closed next time
    around. All men and women ages 18 to 26 would be eligible for induction once
    they have completed high school. Further, the Smart Border Declaration,
    signed by Canadian and U.S. officials in December 2001, should keep would-be
    draft dodgers in this country.

    Congressman Rangel, author of the House bill, which is now before the Armed
    Services Committee (Ernest Hollings [D-SC] authored the Senate version),
    explains that the Administration's commitment to a prolonged presence in the
    Middle East, the prospect of additional military interventions, and the fact
    that "half of Guards and reservists say they have no intention to stay in"
    are strong indicators that "ultimately we will run out of bodies."

    "We shouldn't need a draft," says Rangel, "but now that we've been involved
    in a war, the patriotic thing is shared sacrifice. Currently, the rich get a
    tax cut, and the poor get a chance to make the ultimate sacrifice."

    Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE), addressing the Senate Foreign Relations
    Committee in April, concurred. "Why shouldn't we ask all our citizens to
    bear some responsibility and pay some price?'" he said.

    Feeling a Draft?

    The Administration denies that a draft is in the works. Secretary of Defense
    Donald Rumsfeld has stated: "We're not going to reimplement a draft. There
    is no need for it. The disadvantages of using compulsion to bring into the
    armed forces the men and women needed are notable."

    But, says Ron Paul, M.D., an eight-term Republican congressman from Texas
    and a former Air Force surgeon, '"You don't listen to what they say, you
    watch what they do. The Administration says no, but what we've gotten from
    the Pentagon and elsewhere is yes."

    One sign of that, says Rick Jahnkow, program coordinator of the nonprofit
    Project on Youth and Non-Military Opportunities, was that last fall
    "[Presidential adviser] Karl Rove polled Republican members of Congress on
    how they felt about the draft. They said they'd support the President."

    "This is not surprising," comments Dr. Paul, who sits on the International
    Relations Committee and was one of only six Republican congressmen who vote

  4. Re:I can't believe #1 is by tsm_sf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The SF Bay Guardian runs this list every year, and it's consistently left leaning. However, there are always a few stories on the list that are centrist, irrefutable and frightening. Like these two from the current list:

    4) High uranium levels found in troops and civilians
    10) New nuke plants: taxpayers support, industry profits

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  5. Re:In other words.... by Angry+Toad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Project Censored has been around for a long time now. They're hardly sensationalistic - especially when one considers that they rarely get any attention at all from the media. They're left-leaning, sure. They've never pretended any differently.

    However, at least they're willing to provide links and references. One rarely sees that much from the right wing crazies who like to smear the work of groups like this.

  6. Re:still censored.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't forget Coral! Just add .nyud.net:8090 onto any domain name, and use the cached web-page, just like this:

    http://www.projectcensored.org.nyud.net:8090/publi cations/2005/index.html

  7. Re:In other words.... by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, given that the Associated Press--source of virtually all the news you see and hear during a given day, if you're typical--was caught running an out-and-out lie on their wire this week, I guess Fox would be a better choice indeed.

    Yes, the AP eventually ran a retraction, but only after the hue and cry reached such a volume that they couldn't ignore it any more. You couldn't get through to the Washington bureau; their phone and fax lines were jammed.

    The problem with mass media emerges when they pretend not to have an agenda. Everybody has an agenda, and those who pretend not to are lying to you. Fox is to be applauded for putting their agenda right out there in front so you don't have to guess at it. Newsweek, too; it was Newsweek's editor who said, famously, that it is the position of Newsweek's editorial board that Kerry should win the election, and to that end that they intended to paint him and his campaign in the best possible light. Bravo to them for coming right out and telling us this up front.

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  8. My List by ParallelJoe · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My list

    1. Bush lied about the danger of Iraq to the U.S. Probably because his family and top administration officials had a falling out with Saddam. Pictures of Rumsfeld and Saddam embracing turn up. Reagan officials allowed chemicals to be sold to Iraq knowing they would be used for weapons of mass destruction.
    2. Bush argues in the Supreme Court that he has the right to grab anyone, anywhere in the world (including U.S. citizens on U.S. soil), label them as an enemy of the state and lock them up indefinitely without access to anyone.

    For the above Bush should be thrown out.

    Just to show I am thoroughly mixed up politically I'll keep going.

    3. Globalization (including outsourcing) really does increase the world's prosperity and lessen the chance of conflict.
    4. High paying but low work union jobs in the U.S. rob workers worldwide of jobs needed to feed themselves.

    There, that ought give everyone plenty to attack me on. Whew! - I feel better.

  9. Censored or ignored? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Not being widely covered is not really the same thing as being censored.
    Exactly. A good example is the whole software patent thing in Europe, and more specifically the Netherlands. We've had everything from lobbyists and manipulations to ministers lieing to parliament, but.... it wasn't about healthcare, immigrants or terrorist blowing stuff up, so the media weren't interested.
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  10. Overlooked... by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NPR (National Public Radio) and PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) both seem to be overlooked in nearly every debate over the media. (My personal opinion is that they deliver a superior source of news information, giving more information per story, a greater variety of stories, and a greater quantity of stories.)

    ~UP

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  11. Left leaning? by GreenCow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How sad a day that the word 'liberal' is derogatory. The wording of an article may be an issue of interpretation, one could say either 'wholesale giveaway of natural resources' or 'bush boosts timber industry with innovative pricing' to make it sound better, but the content is based on the same bills which were really passed and not covered by the media. The media is the people's portal into the happenings of our government, but they're operating more like an entertainment industry. But if you consider the viewership these articles would bring, it's not like these articles wouldn't be covered because they're boring. Must be because they've got interest in not reporting these things. With a left or right leaning headline.

  12. Re:Censored my ass! by mmarlett · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You may personally think that the media is liberal, but you would think wrong. And no Lexis-Nexis will help you support any idea other than you can, in fact, find articles with a liberal slant.

    I'll give you that this list is a list made by a liberal group and does display a leaning. But do they "have no basis in fact?" No. That's not why they were under reported.

    As a person who used to work in a daily newspaper in a very conservative market (that I grew up in), I can tell you that large media corporations will skew the news to avoid upsetting the readers' world view so that they can make the guys in marketing happy. They want a good image with the public, and if you are in the center and the public is to the right, then you look like you're to the left. So then you move your paper to the right and suddenly everything is OK.

    I saw the editor of our paper tell the entire staff that his goal was that he wanted his phone to stop ringing. He didn't want to have to deal with calls about our liberal rag, which wasn't liberal. Now, for critical thinking, you should RFA on all these stories so you know what you're talking about.

    I'm glad the Army met it's 2003 recruiting goals, but that doesn't mean it has all the troops it needs - the goals were not moved to anticipate our current needs; Rumsfeld has lied before; and the instances of the Joint Chiefs of Staff changing its mind about what it wants.

    But Congress did put forth two bills to reinstate the draft -- one a protest bill by Democrats.

    And more troubling is why the White House increased the Selective Service budget by millions this year.

    Regardless, I haven't read the article on the list (and neither have you) so there's nothing to argue about. But nothing you link to here displays any critical thinking, just lapping up the words of conservative mouthpieces.

  13. Cautious, but not dismissive by microbox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd draw your attention to The Media can Leagally Lie

    I've followed a bit of this already; I've even seen interviews with the people involved with the case.

    In summary:
    The milk in the US contains a chemical additive that is cancer causing. That chemical is produced by Monsanto. The FDA tested a few rats and rubber stamped to drug. It causes distress and health problems in many cows. There is hard evidence that Monsanto knew there was problems with the drug before they even sent it for testing at the FDA. FOX suppressed the story (presumably on behalf of Monsanto) using various different sleazy tactics. The investigative reporters in question refused to sign a NDA, and were later fired after about 80 rewrites of the story. The story was rewritten with lawyers present, not scientists. The pretence was that the story should be balanced. The Monsanto lawyers objected to terms like "carcinogenic", preferring more balanced terms such as "may cause health problems".

    The reporters won their court case, to find it over turned at appeal. The reason was that lying isn't a crime, and the whistle blower act only protects employees from business asking them to commit a crime. FOX immediately said that they were 'vindicated', but left out the part about lying.

    The milk is being drunk all over the US, and is being served to children at schools.

    Many of the articles come from seriously left-leaning rags

    And just about every major player in the media market will sell you any news so long as it doesn't hurt the corporate agenda.

    It's likely that we'll never require samizdat in this country, but we all require tin-foil hats

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  14. Re:the debate is over, the right gave up by js7a · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You have to aggregate somehow.

    According to Slate, "Since 1930, GDP growth was 5.4 percent for Democratic presidents and 1.6 percent for Republicans."

    If you take all the data from the same time-frames one year later to allow for delayed policy effects, it makes the Democrats look even better.

  15. Re:the debate is over, the right gave up by jdbolick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the right gave up it would only be because they finally accepted the fact that rational arguments are lost on irrational minds.


    #1) Nothing about FAIR's study is air-tight. Any study conducted with the intention of proving a pre-conceived belief should be met with the most extreme skepticism, but this particular piece is nothing more than a transparent attempt at drowning the reader in a mountain of misleading rhetoric and data as if it proved any kind of point.

    For instance the survey addresses self-image, a cardinal sin for statistical analysis. People regularly mis-report or under-report their behavior in cases where they would prefer to see themselves as "better" than they actually are. Seriously, it's classic. Take any statistics course in the country and that should be one of the first things you learn. Of course if you ask someone whether or not they're centrist they're generally going to say, especially with "left" and "liberal" having such a negative connotation in this society, even among leftist liberals. Who was the last major politician you can think of who publicly identified himself as a liberal?

    The rest of the questions only show that the media isn't as left as FAIR and its interests. I don't think there has ever been a question about media liberals being soft-core, although I wonder whether or not rabid lefties use this as their reason for the ridiculous suggestion that the media is actually right-wing or if they figure that making such preposterous allegations effectively negates claims made about left-leaning media bias.

    Anyway, scientific studies are based on data, not self-evaluations. For instance, the fact that an overwhelming majority of journalists, editors, and producers are registered Democrats (over 80%) and that even more have voted Democrat (over 85%) in the last two presidential elections. Or you can look at word usage analyses conducted by universities and independent research institutions that consistently show left-leaning media bias.


    #2) Whether or not AIM does a convincing job of stating their argument says nothing at all about the validity of the position, just their ability to argue it. Pretending that their failings, whatever they may be, are evidence that their "side" is wrong is nothing more than a cheap parlor trick. That'd be like someone painting all Democrats as fire-brand racists just because Al Sharpton happened to be one of their presidential candidates.



    Seriously, liberals need to get a grip on reality before anyone can take them seriously. Do you see conservatives scared of identifying themselves with that label? I haven't, although I leave open the possibility that my experience may be statistically aberrant. Do you see more than a handful of people trying to say that talk radio isn't strongly right-leaning? Again no, pretty much everyone I've seen admits that the radio goes right, though they justify that bias by saying that they're trying to counter left-leaning television media.


    Until liberals can: A) admit their own faults and B) admit that conservatives aren't the spawn of Satan, there really isn't much chance of productive discussion with them. It takes a solid grasp of reality, honest introspection, and a willingness to listen for two sides to get together. I'll grant that conservatives have certainly been out of line at times themselves as well, but right now the left is so hate-filled and irrational that it's damaging and perhaps even threatening our democracy.


    And as for the original subject of the thread, this list is certainly biased but I have no problem giving attention to any of those "stories." It would certainly have more credibility if it attempted to be representative in the slightest, but that doesn't mean they automatically don't have valid points to make.

  16. Re:-1 Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts."

    WRT the Monsanto/Fox story, the bigger issue is over the use of PUBLIC radio space to distribute LIES and FUD. The FCC says this is a BAD thing, and so do the American people -- they regularly flood the FCC with millions of complaints -- but the official word from the courts is that #1) The FCC policies have no teeth, #2) If you try to fight the system, you will likely get punished with a multi-million dollar lawsuit, i.e., telling the truth is very dangerous business, so don't even try. If that is not censorship, what is?

    Its not legal to spray paint messages on private property -- and that is not censorship. The media companies are granted exclusive rights to public space for broadcasting -- in many forms, outdoor ads, radio and tv transmissions; that right is part of a contract with the public -- its not a free-for-all, the first amendment simply does not apply -- A lot of people believe that the "news media" IS obligated to report the facts to the best of their ability.

    RTFA, and try to open up your mind a bit. Not every story on PC is perfectly justified on a bedrock of easily verified fact, but this stuff does not come out of nowhere. Instead of criticizing the weak ones, look at the strong ones and you will realize that what is going on is REALLY FUCKING SCARY.

    Its interesting that Slashdot users are very liberal when it comes to tearing up SCO/MS/DMCA/RIAA lies, but are extremely close-minded when it comes to discussing social issues. How would you feel if the slashdot editors changed every story about SCO to incude "fair and balanced" comments from McBride? Time to start thinking about more than just code and hardware -- tech jobs are going offshore, digital freedoms are a constant battle -- what is it going to take before the geeks start to pay attention to the real world? Go ahead and leap to the defense of Fox and big media, but I can tell you right now, they will NOT return the favor.

  17. Re:I can't believe #1 is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This site does appear to be a bit to the left, though


    Could that be because the right-leaning goverment (and media corporations) target the left leaning articles? Reporting that left leaning articles are censored is not a left leaning statement in itself - just a statment of fact (or fallacy if incorrect)

  18. Re:the debate is over, the right gave up by jdbolick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you can't find anything more than that then you aren't looking. Demonizing philosophical opponents is endemic of small or at least lazy minds.

    Here are some possibilities:

    #1) The positives in Iraq. Even if you find it incomprehensible and unjustifiable that we would invade a sovereign country pre-emptively, or if you dwell on the collateral casualties, you should stil be able to acknowledge the enormous increase in freedoms and opportunities for self-determination provided to the Iraqi people.

    #2) Tax breaks positives. Even if you object to tax breaks for rich individuals or think that any tax breaks are unethical unless accompanies by cuts in spending, you should still be able to acknowledge that tax breaks have helped not only middle income but low income families, many of the latter have in fact seen their tax burden disappear completely.


    Seriously, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of examples. If you can't think of any more, it's only because you aren't looking. If I as a conservative can think of many positives in the Clinton regime than you can certainly do the same for Bush.

    Choose not to be a small mind. It's that simple.

  19. Re:How are these "censored"? by b17bmbr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm an SSU grad ('91). Carl Jensen is a little paranoid and conspiratorial. Everything is black hat stuff. Problem is, he did some good things for a while, and starting reading the press clippings, then lost it. I had one class with him, and even then, he was going on and on about the media (which oddly enough is controlled by his lefty buddies) being a tool of the gov't. Like the MSM ws ever in the tank for Reagan/Bush, et al. Please. How about Evan Thomas' claim the media is for Kerry and it gives him 15 points.

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  20. Censored by whom? by Millennium · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are these censored, or were they simply not picked up the outlets which the writers had wanted so desperately to appear in?

    There is a huge difference. I read several of the aforementioned articles during their original runs. No laws were passed banning them, and the US government never made any attempt to stop their runs. Therefore, no censorship.

    True censorship exists in this world. It seems to me, however, that this list is nothing more than a couple of authors whining about their stories not running as widely as they had wanted.

  21. Re:the debate is over, the right gave up by js7a · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I see they ranked Bill Clinton first, LBJ second, and JFK third. Bush came in last.

    Thanks for the link.

  22. It all boils down to this: by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Interesting
    One actively supports the interests of the super-rich who run the corporations that permit Americans to live the wasteful ignorant lives they cling to with violent desperation, or not.

    It boils down to class, and class warfare. It always has and always will. Marx was wrong about prescriptions, but his analysis was spot on 150 years ago, and it's still dead accurate.

    Some things are different: events are certainly moving on a deeper and larger scale than the capitalists could possibly muster in 1870, but the structure has remained the same: there are a very few people on top and a lot of people on the bottom. The globalisation of wealth has made entire nations part of the "top" and entire continents part of the "bottom" - and you know who's getting fucked.

    "Conservatives" (especially those of the more recent "neocon" variety, who are little more than penny ante fascists) are people who have internalised the false consciousness machine of contemporary capitalist culture to such a degree that they cheerfully support the plutocrats who enslave them. In fact, their culturally instilled cranio-rectal inversion is so complete, they don't see themselves as being willing participants in their own self enslavement - they see themselves as supporters of "freedom and liberty".

    Meanwhile, the powers that be are re-aligning the economies into Orwellian superstates. The Europeans are doing it through an opt-in confederacy (EU), the Americans are doing it with their typically murderously belligerent policy of co-option, destruction and subordination (from Wounded Knee to Baghdad) and forming Oceania by way of NAFTA. East Asia is forming more slowly, as is typical of the Chinese Empire.

    The great battle will be between a collapsing Oceania and a rising EastAsia. Eurasia will sit on the sidelines and watch the two destroy each other, and then move in to scoop up what's left.

    This isn't tinfoil hat theory. this is stuff that has been documented over and over and over.

    here

    Here

    and HERE.

    Now, if you have any sense: ORGANISE A COHERENT RESISTANCE AND GET A PLACE AT THE TABLE OF OCEANIA. Prevent the disaster. If the neocon agenda goes on by its own logic, there will be an eventual war between EastAsia and Oceania. It will be fought through terror proxies first, then localised wars and rebeliions at the periphery. The results will be millions dead so the rich bastards running the American State can stay rich and the powerful shitbags running the Chinese Gov stay in power.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE. Or don't: just pretend it isn't happening and surrender your children to be cannon fodder in some far off oil rich country for the sake of Exxon, Halliburton, and Walmart.

    RS

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  23. Re:Its the conservatives who act as editors by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The people who actually decide what goes on the air and in print over are overwhelmingly conservative. This has been shown in many studies yet somehow people dredge up that tired old arguement about liberal journalists.
    Could you name a few of these "many studies"?
  24. Lonegunmen and Pentagon . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the top of my head, I like these two tid bits. . . (Neither story censored; more like, totally overlooked.)

    Six months before 9-11, an episode of the Lone Gunmen featured the following; "The FOX TV series The Lone Gunmen (X-Files spin off) airs their opening episode "Pilot" six months before 9/11 which depicts a secret U.S. government agency behind a plot to crash a Boeing 727 into the WTC via remote control and blame it on foreign terrorists in the hopes of generating a bigger military budget."

    A lot of the X-Files was channeled stuff through Carter's noodle, it is thought, and I tend to agree. A lot was also poop, but that's how it goes. . .


    Anyway, my other current fave was this neat little flash movie which looks into the Pentagon Crash, suggesting that it was a drone aircraft and not a passenger jet which hit the government complex.


    -FL

  25. Re:How are these "censored"? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Professor Doug Rokke, ex-director of the Pentagon's depleted uranium project -- a former professor of environmental science at Jacksonville University and onetime US army colonel who was tasked by the US department of defense with the post-first Gulf war depleted uranium desert clean-up -- said use of DU was a 'war crime'."

    This is why the story is censored. Period.

    Also, there is much speculation that bunker buster bombs have been upgraded with DU to make them more effective - since the alternative is tungsten which supposedly is less effective for various reasons than DU. The Pentagon, of course, is NOT saying what is being used or considered for use in bunker buster bombs.

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  26. How come I've read most of those stories? by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Maybe if they focused on "stories that didn't make the TV news", they'd make more sense. But almost all the stories mentioned got some major attention in the print media, and they're all on line.

    The TV problem has more to do with what looks good on TV. Which is why we have actors in politics.

  27. credibility by null-sRc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    #19: Global Food Cartel Fast Becoming hte World's Supermarket

    one reason for censorship, is if credibility is highly suspect for something that could cause mass panic or affect serious political process unduely.

    how credibly can a source be that mispells "the" on their web page?

    maybe if they spelled it "teh" i could understand.

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  28. Well.. by Kwil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wal-Mart never put any small Mom and Pop out-of-business, you and I did.

    Maybe you did.

    I didn't.

    I don't shop there. Won't.

    Just a drop against the tide, I know, but I keep hoping enough drops will get together and we can turn it back.

    Maybe it's because I think long-term.
    Maybe it's because I've seen what a Wal-mart can do to a small town. It moves in, gives the teen-agers and otherwise less employable jobs at cut-rate wages. Seems good so far.

    It then uses it's huge economies of scale to undercut everything around, again, seems good for the consumer, right?

    The problem is, it doesn't actually give a rats ass for the people around it and gives as little as legally possible back to the community. "Fair and sustainable" are not words in the Wal-Mart corporate prospectus.

    Smaller shops, unable to compete, close up. Sooner or later the only employer in the area is Wal-Mart. When that happens then that particular store's profit goes down (because everybody's getting the crap wages so can't afford to buy anything) at which point the Wal-Mart closes up and lets the rest of the town just blow away.

    The store is a parasite. It lives off the work of those who came before it until they can't afford to stick around.

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    That Jesus Christ guy is getting some terrible lag... it took him 3 days to respawn! -NJ CoolBreeze

  29. Radiation is not the issue...... by afxgrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This to my understanding has nothing to do with radiation, but the dust left behind after impact with a target.

    Depleted Uranium is a heavy metal and the human body does not react to well when exposed to heavy metals.
    Lead exposure, especially to lead dust, can cause various forms of health conditions. Here's an EPA example of lead used in older paints:

    http://www.epa.gov/lead/leadinfo.htm

    Now, here's an article which seems to discuss the DU dust that I've read about in the past.

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/cancer_epide mic_.html

    and another:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/180333p-156 685c.html

    How true any of these articles are, I don't know ... I'm just pointing out what I've read before.

    Plus, Master of Transhuman pointed out another interesting fact in case his post gets missed.

  30. Re:Oh Really!!!? by dave420 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You're citing a freerepublic page in your argument. There goes all your credibility.... *poof!*

    If you must know, the claims of the "swift boat veterans for pulling stuff out of their asses" claims have been challenged. And guess what? They're about as accurate as bush's grammar. Check out Spinsanity.org and read a little. You'll see the ties between the Republican party and the "Swift" veterans are more than coincidental. Legal aid, financial aid, you name it. As for their claims, most of them were in Vietnam at the same time, not on the same boat.

    Anyway, it's all moot, as while Kerry was getting shot at, Bush was in the US doing cocaine, boasting of his drinking and pissing on cars and abusing police officers. Of course, I wait for your response outlining how those are actions befitting the future President of the USA.

    Kerry actually went to Vietnam. Bush chickened out, and behaved like a complete ass. Now, Republicans are trying to diminish his achievements (and the achievements of every individual who's ever earned a purple heart - not very Military-Friendly, is it?). Even McCain said the tactic was ridiculously underhanded. It's funny, seeing as Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney et al haven't served a day in combat, yet they'll quickly pour all their collective efforts into trying to refute or somehow diminish Kerry's record. It's pathetic.

    Here's an idea - why doesn't the Bush campaign focus on actual issues? The War on Terror? Oh, wait - it's fucked. America is more at danger now than on 9/10, has many fewer friends, and lots more enemies. How about the economy? Shit. That nice pre-Bush surplus turned into a massive, humongous defecit, which us and our kids (and most likely their kids) will be bailing out for years to come. Jobs? Nope. Millions upon millions of jobs have been lost under Bush.

    This is what it boils down to - Bush has screwed up the US, and a good part of the world, and the only way he can get public support is to attack Kerry's war record, as it's an emotive subject and (even though completely devoid of politics) is something Bush can use to leverage support from military-friendly Americans. If you think that's how a political party should act, you really should read a book or two.

    If you get modded down, it's more due to you spouting bullshit than having a controversial view ;)

  31. Re:Strangely Appropriate... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's a very intereting statement, especially when looked at in conjunction with the fact that hundreds of scientists, including 20 Nobel laureats, say that the current government is falsifying data and stacking the panels which come up with the data with political appointees.

    This:

    "Depleted uranium is just that "depleted" it cannot become "non-depleted" and its presence does not cause levels of "non-depleted" uranium in the population"

    is just a bogus statement. It doesn't refute anything, and is actually selfnegating...and really tells me that you know shit about science, let alone the science behind nuclear physics. Shooting depleted uranium shells /does/ increase the levels of depleted uranium in the population...and that leads to radioactive poisoning due to the fact that the DU does not burn up entirely during use. And, not so oddly enough, Gulf War Syndrome looks suspiciously like low level radiation poisoning.

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