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The Changing Face Of Campus Tech

SeaDour writes "CNET News has an interesting perspective on the changing face of technology on campus. These days, students are showing more interest in the tech perks that campuses have to offer, and universities are taking notice. Duke University, for example, just gave away free iPods to each of their 1,650 incoming freshman. Penn State offers subsidized access to Napster 2.0 for all students, and many other schools are now considering similar programs with Rhapsody and Cdigix. Perhaps the best offering is wireless internet access, which 90% of campuses now offer in some form. Are we seeing the day when college students make their school of choice not based solely on academics or athletics, but also on tech freebies like these?"

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  1. Welcome to a decade ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I chose my University in part because they had network access ports in every dorm room, a good online paper (which I eventually ran), a bunch of computer labs, etc. And it wasn't even a tech-heavy school.

    1. Re:Welcome to a decade ago by EinarH · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is a necessary evolution for american universities, it's nice to see that they know how to create the next generation of academics.
      It's just beyond me how they could have accomplished that without Ipods, Napster 2.0 and some quality music like the hits from Will Smith.

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    2. Re:Welcome to a decade ago by r0xah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe that these are reasonable expectations for a university. I think that any modern university should have internet access in dorms and more than likely they should have wireless as well. The new little "perks" such as getting a "free" iPod when you go to a school like Duke is not going to influence any intelligent person. You are already paying so much for school, the iPod is more than likely included in the price on top of that. If you look at the iPod as an expense to go to any school you may choose, then it wouldn't change the tuition cost over 4 years in any real way.

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    3. Re:Welcome to a decade ago by jm92956n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd furthermore be insulted if my school possibly spent my tuition money on lures for people who may not really care about school or take it seriously.

      Did you go to a school without a sports program? They haven't much of a point, other than to draw in prospective students and build the college's name up ("they have such an excellent basketball team that I can't imagine they'd employ professors of poor quality!").

      Nearly every school spends money to attract students; often they'll intentionally misrepresent the school to in one way or another to attract students. Why? Because, like every other institution, they must perpetuate or die. The latter alternative is the less pleasant one.

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  2. Deeply obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Are we seeing the day when college students make their school of choice not based solely on academics or athletics, but also on tech freebies like these?

    Academics? Athletics? Who the heck are you kidding? The choice of school hinges mainly on 1) chicks, 2) bars and 3) frequency of parties. It would be surprising if a free iPod didn't have a deciding effect on 95% of the applicants.

  3. Freebies ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


    thousands of dollars a year in school fees is not really "free"
    its about as free as in "buy 1 get 1 free"
    you are paying for it, maybe you should ask questions like
    "why are my school tuition fees being spent on frivilous sundries benefiting 3rd party companies instead of improving my schools educational resources"

    1. Re:Freebies ? by bedouin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All of this crap was included in my 'technology fees' every semester. Though, I lived off campus and (aside from using wireless, and the school's E-Mail system) I had no use for it. Half of the computers in the labs were on the fritz anyway; surely if I were forced to do my day-to-day assignments there I'd be afraid of data loss.

      "why are my school tuition fees being spent on frivilous sundries benefiting 3rd party companies instead of improving my schools educational resources"

      Better question is how come that money isn't spent equally on diverse platforms (i.e. Mac, Linux, Sun, whatever). Instead, MS buys out the entire college.

      At my school the technology desk used to send Mac users to me whenever they needed help setting up their wireless connection or accessing the school network. I had no problem with that, because their alternative policy was "not Windows, not supported." To the school's credit though not everyone was incredibly closed-minded. I guess this is what happens though when corporate interests become infused with curriculum and budgeting.

      I wrote them a complaint after graduation.

    2. Re:Freebies ? by typhoonius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Better question is how come that money isn't spent equally on diverse platforms (i.e. Mac, Linux, Sun, whatever). Instead, MS buys out the entire college.

      I go to NCSU, which is primarily an engineering school. All of our servers run on Solaris, and there are Suns all over campus. There are also numerous Windows 2000 workstations (and even a handful of Win2k servers doing non-critical stuff). We have a lab full of Red Hat Linux machines (all the x86s are Dells). We also have a number of Macs, including a lab full of G5s in the design school (which also has an OS 9 lab with a few Cubes). Students in the College of Engineering are required to take a course on Unix their first semester.

      Not all schools are Microsoft shills, if it makes you feel any better.

  4. insert subject here: by Izago909 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are we seeing the day when college students make their school of choice not based solely on academics or athletics, but also on tech freebies like these?

    "Freebies" my ass. Do you have any idea what tuition is up to these days? Anyone who thinks that either the students or taxpayers didn't pay for that nifty Napster service or shiny iPod's must not have majored in Econ. The iPod's I don't much care about; at least Apple has a record of being kind to educational institutions and new uses will be devised. To hell with the industry lapdog known as Napster; the only reason the schools purchase it for their students is to get a reprieve from the flood of lawsuits. I guarantee, even if the p2p traffic from the campus doubles, we won't see any new lawsuits.

    1. Re:insert subject here: by iammaxus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, as a student preparing to go to college in a year, I'm rather unhappy about all the "freebies", too. No student should be looking at such things when choosing a college because it should be blatantly obvious that these "freebies" are coming straight out of your own tuition. People don't want to buy a bundle including things like free music when they pay for college, they want education.

      Incidentally, I think this is a really good example of how a few colleges, like Duke, are really riding on, what I would say is, irrational demand. In the last few years, Duke has really gotten a surge in interest from students and it definitley doesn't correspond to some sort of surge in Duke's educational record. Duke sees that its making money off just being "cool" and its trying to keep this wave going a bit longer with scams like this.

    2. Re:insert subject here: by pHatidic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only reason Duke is popular is because of their basketball team. Before the team their school was practically unknown, and only after their team started winning did more people want to apply and the admissions standards went up, even though the education is still mediocre. Same thing happened to Boston College through their hockey team, a previously unknown random 2nd rate catholic school suddenly became wildly popular because of one or two stars. The people that pay a huge premium to go to these sports colleges are being hugely ripped off, whereas huge research schools that accept more kids get ranked relatively poorly because more kids equals lower admissions standards by definition.

  5. Hmm... by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear University of South Carolina - Columbia:
    I know you just blew 100k on a completely useless GPS tracking system for your shuttle buses that don't leave campus. Next year, could you please consider supplying Nikon D70 packages to your returning sophomores?

    1. Re:Hmm... by mod_parent_down · · Score: 5, Funny
      100k? That's like 5 students.

      Seriously, I wonder if that's ever the currency denomination referred to by internal budgeting people. The Ooss (pronounced ooze, meaning "out-of-state students").

      As in, "Hey jim, I'm headin down to admishins, how muched those I-Paweds cost?"

      "Bout 75 ooze."

      "Whoo-ey!"

  6. How are they free? by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How are they free? They cost money and all that will happen is that tuition will go up to cover it. That is why tuition is going up at 7% - 10% per year.

  7. Freebies? by Demogoblin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I dont really consider wireless acess a freebie, as that is part of the school's network.

    Even most schools that have these Napster like services make the students pay for music. I wouldn't exactly call that free.

    Good schools will still attract students based on academic reputation, not on freebies.

  8. Scholarships? by AtariEric · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't that money be better off putting up scholarships for peeple who can't afford college? Or are these "freeebies" just a start of the new College Marketeering? Not even colleges seem to be immune to the ubercapitalist drumbeat these days...

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    1. Re:Scholarships? by MagicDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wouldn't that money be better off putting up scholarships for peeple who can't afford college? Or are these "freeebies" just a start of the new College Marketeering? Not even colleges seem to be immune to the ubercapitalist drumbeat these days...

      Most schools are actually not-for-profit organizations, however they do need to be capitalistic, not for money, but for students. Schools always want to get students with the best qualifications, so they'll dangle things for them to come to their school over another. Duke for example, is competining with Harvard and Yale and other similar schools for the cream of the freshman crop. Thus it's in their interest to say "Come to Duke, we'll give you a free IPod", and all other things being equal, this could be enough to sway a guy who has to pay $30000 a year to go to Harvard, or to pay $30000 a year to go to Duke, but gets a cool toy out of it. The school figures that spending a few hundred bucks per student will improve the quality of the student body more than giving one guy a full scholarship.

  9. Duke University gave away free iPods... by SynKKnyS · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unfortunately, each one of the students had to try AOL and refer 5 of their friends first.

    Ok, that was a bad one. :)

  10. Wireless Access by RWarrior(fobw) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm obviously in the 10% of campuses. I was informed last week that I'm not permitted to bring my laptop onto campus at all, even if I don't connect it to the wired network.

    And the wireless network used to exist, but it was taken down because (holy shit!) students were sitting out in the parking lot using it.

    Bastion of education, that.

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  11. Of course by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Students already make choices based on things other than academics or athletics now. Size of the campus, feel of the city, things to do, proximity to (or distance from) home, significant others, etc. And yes, they've made it on the basis of technology as well, long ago: when the University of Michigan started wiring its dorms for ethernet in the early to mid 90s, surveys of students showed some picked Michigan over other alternatives, in part, because of the availability of ethernet in the dorms. This increased with the advent of the web, and eventually came to be something students *expected* in most University dorms. (Incidentally, private housing owners are realizing students want this and are adding it in greater frequency to their buildings).

    But it seems to me that these technology items really fall into "academics"; e.g., some schools have better facilities or faculty than another for some particular discipline, and it could be argued that decisions based on that fall under the general guise of "academics", so why not this?

  12. Not the way I see it :-P by douthat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Are we seeing the day when college students make their school of choice not based solely on academics or athletics, but also on tech freebies like these?"
    This depends on your definition of free. If I were a student at Duke University or Penn State, I would be worried that the school decided to use my hard-earned tuition money to buy things that are not directly associated with learning. Sure, the iPod makes a great portable hard drive, but is the data it is intended to hold somehow better stored on a $300 iPod rather than an inexpensive USB Key? At least the iPod, as a storage device, has some scholastic merit. Penn State subsidising Napster subscriptions using student tuition and fees is absoutely appaling. If I wanted a Napster subscription, I would buy one!

    On a separate note, if Penn State jumped on the iPod bandwagon, it would be not be compatible with its new Napster agreement. Screw that.
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  13. Buying students by darylb · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to Duke's website, it now costs in excess of $40,000 per undergraduate year at Duke. And all they have to do to get people to commit to that level of insane cost is to give away network access and iPods? If that's the case, look for every two-bit program in the country to be loading students up with $2,000 in "freebies", just before tuition goes up $5,000. Of course, college students today are mostly on the public dole in the form of grants, government-insured loans (many of which are defaulted upon, passing cost to the taxpayer), and federal aid to their school. So what do they care? This is even better than the sleazy "finance guy" at the car dealership, who is all too willing to sell you the $2,000 car warranty, rolling it in to your 7%, 6 year balloon note.

  14. Wireless by FuzzzyLogik · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the biggest perks to my new college is that they have 802.11b in every building. I didn't really know this going in but was very happy to see it when i was looking around on their website after i had transfered and was checking out the IT website.

    In fact from what I heard they were the first fully wireless campus in michigan. quite the feat.

    I've found it very very useful. I can check out electronic resources for a book we're reading in class or in some of my classes we have electronic reserves, which are basically scanned documents a teacher makes available only online so they don't have to run off copies for everyone. Very useful having net access anywhere and everywhere, also means i don't have to sit around waiting for a seat to be free in a lab, unless i want to print a paper.

  15. Athletics? by Ancient+Devices+King · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Are we seeing the day when college students make their school of choice not based solely on academics or athletics, but also on tech freebies like these?

    For those students who aren't on an athletic team, how are the athletics at a school any different from "perks" like internet access? I would actually argue that the ability for students to get work done more easily (like on laptops on a lawn on a nice day) should be more important for students considering where to go than the possibilty of the school's football team to go to a bowl game.
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  16. Not only WiFi, but Internet2 as well by Black+Acid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The best campuses are offering Internet2 connectivity -- I wouldn't even consider going to a college without Internet2 access. The main advantage of Internet2, besides speed, is that it is separate from the regular Internet1, and less susceptible to monitoring by third parties such as corrupt administrators and the questionable activities of BayTSP and others.

    I've been using I2Hub for a couple weeks at my college and am very impressed. All the benefits of fast Internet P2P at college, without the drawbacks (i.e., the RIAA suing you).

    Personally I don't buy the subsidized Napster or other music service access. I would rather choose a college based on its academic credibility, performance, a rigorous curriculum and dedicated teachers. College is an investment, and while access to these services may seem nice, I doubt many students will choose colleges entirely based on this. You would get much more out of going to a well-respected established universe than a cheap fly-by-night college that gives out useful gadgets for free to lure you in to paying for a four-year education. That said, Internet2 and iPods are invaluable, but I think of them more as gifts than a deciding factor in choosing which campus to matriculate to.

  17. I'd choose *against* such colleges by Muggins+the+Mad · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Given the choice between a "free" iPod and having better teaching staff, I'd go for the college who spent *my* money on improving the education they can give me. If I was a music or media student then maybe an iPod would be a plus. Otherwise it's just a waste of my hard earned fees.

    The Napster stuff is absolutely horrendous. To me, universities are the *last* place that should be bowing to corporate bullying and selling its students as dumb consumers. Especially using the students money to do so.

    A good wireless network would seem to me to be a better alternative to larger computer labs, and I'd say that generally is a good thing.

    I went to University to learn and have fun learning. Sure, I love iPods, but I'd rather have had more textbooks, or more teaching staff, or better equipment in the labs.

    Or cheaper fees.

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