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Genesis: Data in good condition
Oxidation writes "Space.com is reporting that the Genesis satellite crash isn't as bad as it appeared to be in the first place. Furthermore, a prime particle-gathering device "appears intact" states Don Sevilla. (Genesis payload recovery leader at NASA's JPL)"
Still... Old... Friend. You've managed to kill just about everyone else. But like a poor marksman you keep missing the target.
And here Khan thought he left my probe as I left him!
;-)
Buried alive,
Buried alive,
Buried aliiiivvveee...
KHHHHAAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!
(So I'm feeling a bit cheeky today. So sue me. No, I'm not worth anything.)
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They just saved a ton of money on their car insurance...
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From the beginning I didn't think this was quite as bad as people had feared. The worse case scenerio is that we can only detect particles that are unique to the study area.
No matter how much dirt you pour into that system, any particles that are not common on earth would still be a very interesting finding!
"It is amazing given the amount of breach in the canister just how clean it is inside" Sevilla said. "We're not talking about great clods of dirt."
As much as they were overestimating the initial amount of damage, I think they are underestimating now. No matter how little amount of dust has entered into that system, it still has contamination. Contamination is like pregnancy. Either it is, or it isn't. "Genesis brought back a tiny sampling of the raw material of the Sun, a sample weighing no more than a few grains of salt." Likely many particles that were captured in space are similiar the particles here on earth; however, with the contamination I am not sure how you can seperate the true origin of the particles... especially when such small amounts are involved. Earth dust >>> sun dust.
Can you tell which of these are covered with space particles and which are covered with space dirt?
I can just see some bureaucrat using this as proof to cut funding from the space program. No need to invest in landing gear, just let it crash. :) But seriously that's a testimate to how well they build and designed it.
And to think I freaked out when I dropped my bookbag with my laptop inside it. They should have used something better than a parachute.
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After studying preliminary data from the recovered probe, scientists are reporting that the Sun seems to have originated in the Utah desert.
"We're finding embedded silicon dioxide particles that are unique to Utah."
Scientists and engineers are optimistic after having peeked inside the Genesis space capsule, which brought back bits of the Sun but crashed into the Utah desert Wednesday.
The craft was supposed to deploy a parachute and be retrieved in the air by a helicopter. Instead it broke apart on impact. Amazingly, scientists say, much of the contents -- microscopic particles that once rode the solar wind and are now embedded on shattered collector plates -- should be salvageable.
In a teleconference with reporters today, mission officials said contamination is their greatest worry, since desert dirt entered the capsule. They need to retrieve the Sun samples in pristine form. The goal is to learn more about the Sun's composition and the history of the solar system and planet formation.
The team might seek advice on handling the wafer-thin collector devices from the semiconductor industry, said Don Burnett, Genesis principal investigator from the California Institute of Technology.
Surprise
"We should be surprised that we have anything," said Don Sevilla, Genesis payload recovery leader at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL).
Sevilla said experts are "peeling back the layers of the onion," using a flashlight and a small mirror on a stick to explore inside the fractured, garbage-can-sized capsule. A prime particle-gathering device "appears intact," he said, and another appears to be "in very good condition."
But pieces of the fragile collectors are "strewn about the canister," so scientists are being very methodical about extracting them.
"It is amazing given the amount of breach in the canister just how clean it is inside" Sevilla said. "We're not talking about great clods of dirt."
No timetable has been created for moving the science samples from a Utah facility to a NASA center for ultimate study. Sevilla said engineers are still busy collecting tools to do unexpected "sawing and snipping" that will take place over the weekend.
Genesis, which launched in 2001, carries a $264 million price tag.
The scientists said they were demoralized when they first saw the craft stuck more than halfway into the desert floor. Attitudes have changed.
"The science team is really excited," said Roger Wiens, flight payload leader from the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Wiens expects to "meet many if not all" of the mission's initial goals.
The investigation
Meanwhile, Sevilla said three pyrotechnic devices that were supposed to deploy the parachute system failed to trigger as planned. They have been "safed" to allow study of the capsule.
"None had been fired," he said. "This points to a command and control problem," not to any failure of the parachutes themselves.
NASA also announced today that Michael Ryschkewitsch, director of the Applied Engineering and Technology Directorate at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, would lead the Genesis Mishap Investigation Board (MIB) in an effort to determine the exact cause of the disaster. The group is due to report back in mid-November.
The optimistic assessment led one reporter to ask if future sample-return missions might forego the theatrics of using Hollywood stunt pilots to make mid-air retrievals of capsules, and instead simply design the shells to survive a freefall.
"The lessons from this one will affect all future sample returns," said Gentry Lee, a JPL engineer.
Anything to get Phil Collins away from the microphone and strictly in charge of drums.
Oh,the other Genesis...
If you think
Am I the only one who is disturbed by the line that they were "using a flashlight and a small mirror on a stick to explore inside the fractured, garbage-can-sized capsule." This is Nasa... they can't use a tiny camera in there? They have to tape a mirror on the end of a stick and peek around? Reminds me of a line in "Clay Pigeons" when Deputy Barney is poking a body with a stick and when asked why he said "I was just checkin' somethin'"
"Sevilla said experts are 'peeling back the layers of the onion,' using a flashlight and a small mirror on a stick to explore inside the fractured, garbage-can-sized capsule."
A flashlight and a small mirror on a stick...only cutting edge technology will do for NASA...
(looks through microscope and sorts through particles with tweezers)
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-Randy
Well, if they were not contaminated already, taking them with a pinch of salt would do the trick....
1 Probe $280 Million Dollars 2 Stunt Helicopters $30 Million Dollars Watching a 280 million dollar probe crash at 200 MPH.... PRICELESS Money cant buy everything, but i bet this time it bought the lowest bidder :-)
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Khan "Then you will transfer all data pertaining the project named..Genesis"
Kirk "Genesis? What's that?"
Khan "Don't insult my intelligence Kirk"
Kirk "Im not, the enterprise "SuperComputer," is working busily to find money-saving deals for you. You can even name your own price for this 'Genesis' "
Khan "Damn, I payed too much for staying at Ceti Alpha V"