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MGM Purchase Gives Sony An Edge In Disc Format War

Grump writes "The New York Times reports: 'The purchase of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer by a group led by Sony will not only give the company an enormous film library but also considerable power in its fight to set the format for the next generation of digital video discs.' The article goes on to suggest that Sony is gearing up for another Betamax-style failure."

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  1. should that be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    digital versatile disc ??

    1. Re:should that be... by sifi · · Score: 4, Informative

      DVD officially stands for nothing.

      From wikipedia

      "DVD" was originally an acronym for "digital versatile disc"; some members of the DVD Forum believe that it should stand for "digital video disc", due to the fact that most members of the public believe that DVD does stand for that. Toshiba, which maintains the official DVD Forum site, adheres to the interpretation of "digital versatile disc." The DVD Forum never reached a consensus on the matter, however, and so today the official name of the format is simply "DVD"; the letters do not 'officially' stand for anything.

      So now we know...

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    2. Re:should that be... by moonbender · · Score: 1, Informative

      So, well, is there a better authority than SiFi and Wikipedia out there?

      Both are irrelevant. The winner is: "digital versatile disk". The Google Hath Spoken.

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    3. Re:should that be... by Ondo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The DVD FAQ agrees with you, Digital Video Disc was the original meaning.

    4. Re:should that be... by sootman · · Score: 2, Informative

      FWIW, I remember Sony's site being one of the first I visited when I got online in 1996, specifically becauseI wanted to see info on the new, upcoming DVD format. At that time, according to them, DVD meant Digital Video Disc. I didn't hear "versatile" until much later.

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  2. Never mind that, what about The Hobbit? by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Informative
    The sale of MGM was of interest to fans of LOTR since if Time Warner had bought MGM it would have meant a fast track for filming of The Hobbit with Peter Jackson et al. MGM has the filming rights for the story, and New Line (owned by Time Warner) has been trying to negotiate to get the rights to do the film. Had TW bought MGM, presumably this would have smoothed the way for the film to proceed. Now with Sony owning, what is going to happen next? Will they negotiate with TW to work something out that should be quite a lucrative venture? Or will they dig in their heels?

    Geeks everywhere want to know!

  3. suddenly? by wiredog · · Score: 3, Informative

    MGM bought UA in the 80's. Time bought Warner Brothers a while back too. Nothing sudden about media consolidation.

  4. Re:Of course none of this will matter unless... by Dynamic1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    What killed the Betamax format was that they were not willing to share to technology with other manufacturers, and that paved the way for the VHS format to dominate the market...shame, I would have rather watched vids on Beta all these years - picture quality far superior than VHS.

  5. Re:Bad news by Portigui · · Score: 5, Informative
    Crap like this wouldn't happen under a Democratic President.
    You're right, major mergers would never happen under a Democratic president. In case those four don't fit your build because they are not entertainment driven, try this one.

    These happen regardless of the president in the office at the time.
  6. What bad track record? by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    PlayStation. PlayStation 2. Compact Disc itself, co-developed with Philips.

    True, Betamax the format is dead, but Betacam the format and Betamax the copyright precedent live on for now.

  7. Don't forget video-on-demand by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Sony also announced yesterday that it had reached an agreement with Comcast to offer Sony and MGM movies over Comcast's video-on-demand systems and on new cable channels that it would form with the Sony group."

    From an article here.

    I don't know about you, but i hardly ever go to the movie store anymore (unless i want to own a DVD). I rent most of my titles from Time Warner's video-on-demand. This agreement opens up that whole distribution channel (no pun intended) for all of those classic MGM titles.

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  8. hey, Blu-ray is Sony's format!!! by mm0mm · · Score: 2, Informative
    hold on, something seems to be wrong here. Check this out. Blu-ray is to be used by Sony, Philips, Pioneer and others, while NEC/Toshiba are planning to use HD DVD, aren't they? You won't find NEC and Toshiba's name on Blu-Ray's official site, as far as I can see.

    And to clarify further, in either case scenario, MS will win because both Next-gen DVD formats will most likely use MS codec.

    At this point, I think HD DVD (by NEC/Toshiba) is a history. And I wouldn't be surprised even if Sony has a second thought on the codec they will use for distribution. I want to see Sony leaving MS or coming up with something other than MS codec.

  9. Dear Poor Eyesight by DumbSwede · · Score: 3, Informative
    Anyone that thinks DVD is "good enough" is terribly short sighted.

    I would estimate DVD quality to be about 3x VHS (about 2x more pixels, and a much better color space).

    HDTV has 6x as many pixels as DVD, at 2 Mega pixels.

    From my experience with a 10-foot wide projection system (NEC LX135 QXGA) I have at home, anything below DVD is almost unwatchable. DVD looks glorious until you pump a true HDTV signal into the system and then what you have is in many ways better than going to the theater (at least the crappy cineplexes in this town).

    Now you might carp who the hell has 10' wide projection systems to really enjoy this kind of experience. The percentage is small today, but I predict that DLP will cause hi-res projection prices to plummet in the next 2-3 years. Mostly because DLP will experience the same kind of Moore's law improvement as any other type of chip type process, while other methods rely more on bulk size improvements.

    In fact while it has been long to make it out of the Labs, Hi-Res displays will probably be common and affordable in Ultra-HD resolutions in 5 to 10 years time. (over 8 mega pixels) in large sizes.

    I suspect U-HD will be overkill for home, and in most ways exceeds 35mm film quality when you factor in film speed (grainer for faster) and editing and reprocessing (loosing quality at each step). Sure, theoretically 35mm film has 16 Meg pixel, but in practice it is more like 3-6 (not much more than HD). And that's only if you can find a theater that knows how to keep a critical focus, and whose machines don't jitter uncontrollably because they are trying to squeeze the last penny out the damn things before going digital, which they desperately want to avoid as long a possible because first generation equipment is expensive and will suck compared to equipment available in 2-3 years time.

    Even without 10' screens, in 2 or 3 years, WUXGA screens (1920-1200) will be common and affordable in laptops with Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD built in. The near photographic look will motivate people to upgrade their home viewing experience. One of the biggest reasons for HDTV slow acceptance has been the failure of early systems to actually display the full quality that the standard supports (most systems today advertised as HDTV still don't). That and of course the lack of actual HDTV content to be viewed.

    I suspect I will be one of the ones to say HD is good enough once we really get there. My father has trouble seeing the detail of DVD. So many people don't have the visually acuity to really appreciate the difference. Beyond HD I suspect the majority of people won't really be able to see much of a difference. I'm speaking of REAL HD. 1080p at 60 frames a second is really sweet, but over the air stops just short of this with p at only 24 and 30 fps. My prediction is that eventually 1080p at 60fps will become a standard, one that holds for a couple of decades or more, but we could get stuck at 1080i or 720p, which is a shame because the difference is quite noticeable up to this. Digital photography might still motivate people to buy U-HD projection systems for displaying stills.

    As for me -- GIVE ME BLU-RAY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!
    (while the CRTs hold out on my current system)

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  11. Re:Once bitten, twice shy by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh Sony, first betamax, and your memory stick

    Also their Minidisc, and their SACD...

  12. Re:Well... by rpdillon · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think we can thank Philips for the CD, not Sony. Check the second paragraph from the bottom.

  13. Re:more and more by merlin_jim · · Score: 2, Informative

    Blue LEDs used to be really expensive (they still are, compared to RED or fake Green), but they are still cheap enough to make [your favorite consumer electrics device] look cool.

    I don't care about LEDs. I care about laser diodes. Blues currently can't be bought at any price.

    In fact, there are only two "cost-effective" ways to make a blue laser:

    1. Argon laser. This is pretty inefficient (none of the blue lines of argon are high gain) and costly to manufacture, due to the exotic gases, vacuum equipment, and mirrors involved

    2. Dye laser. There are dyes that will lase in the blue region. Besides being inefficient, building a continuous wave dye laser is a very difficult proposition.

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  14. Re:more and more by blincoln · · Score: 2, Informative

    CD audio saw a similar success (DAT doesn't count, its a pro format, which, incidentaly, Betamax has become (or stayed, really))

    DAT was not originally intended as a pro-audio-only format. It was supposed to replace cassette tapes. However, the recording industry forced the implementation of a serial copy prevention system on the manufacturers, which effectively killed it for home use.

    A related issue was that originally DAT only supported 48KHz mode, which was done intentionally to prevent direct 44.1KHz copies of CDs being made. A lot of people think the additional 3.9KHz is for extra audio quality, but it hardly makes a difference. The entire 22.05 - 44.1KHz range is only an octave.

    Betamax is not, and has never been, a pro format. You are thinking of Betacam, which is a different Sony product.

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  15. Re:Bad news by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Remeber that old movie, Exit to Eden? It was banned for a while here in Saskatchewan. It just made the movie more popular. It never hit the theatres

    It certainly DID hit the theatres in Saskatchewan once the ban was lifted. I remember selling tickets to see that and people I've never seen before or since were coming in left and right to watch it! I remember one little old lady tottering in on her cane and asking, "Is this the movie that they banned?" I said, "Yes it is" and she put her money on the counter and said, "Oh good."

    I know of one theatre owner who was orgainizing bus tours to go to Alberta to watch Exit to Eden before the ban was lifted.

    You're right about it being a poor excuse for a movie. Had they left it alone and just slapped an R rating on it the thing would have played for one week in Saskatoon and Regina and quietly disappeared never to be seen again.

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