Posted by
ryuzaki0
on from the hey-buddy-gotta-file dept.
Kaseijin writes "'We believe that if peer-to-peer flourishes, the Internet flourishes.' Earthlink's Research and Development division has released SIPshare, a prototype file-sharing application based on SIP. The code is available under a BSD-style license."
Earthlink supports P2P!
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sketerpot
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· Score: 5, Insightful
The most important part is this bit here:
EarthLink believes an open Internet is a good Internet. An open Internet means users have full end-to-end connectivity to say to each other whatever it is they say, be that voice, video, or other data exchanges, without the help of mediating servers in the middle whenever possible. We believe that if peer-to-peer flourishes, the Internet flourishes. SIPshare helps spread the word that SIP is more than a powerful voice over IP enabler --- much more. SIP is a protocol that enables peer-to-peer in a standards-based way.
Re:Earthlink supports P2P!
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DrEldarion
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· Score: 4, Insightful
EarthLink believes an open Internet is a good Internet. An open Internet means users have full end-to-end connectivity to say to each other whatever it is they say, be that voice, video, or other data exchanges, without the help of mediating servers in the middle whenever possible.
Translation: Earthlink likes an open internet - an open internet allows for P2P file sharing and other things that require lots of bandwidth. Oh hey, did we mention that we sell broadband service? It's fast. You'll want that speed for downloading all this data. C'mon, just try it. The first one is free. Yeah, yeah, that's good. You like that, huh? Now, about this contract...
If I recall correctly, ISPs would not be held liable for content traded over P2P networks, recent legal case. But how does this change when the ISP develops a P2P client?
I would think it doesn't. Not anymore than crowbar makers can be liable for breaking and entering.
Then again we've all seen the US court system make mind-bending leaps of illogic so I guess anything's possible.
-- Just wait till some crappy band steals your nic.
It should read
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Ignignot
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"We believe that if people keep needing more bandwidth, Earthlink will flourish." Earthlink is an ISP, and this is entirely for their own benefit. If more people are using file sharing, then they need more bandwidth to do it. If everyone buys more bandwidth, then the value of the internet is much greater (because it is proportional to connectedness). Then Earthlink gets more money. so you might even say:
1 - Release new P2P program
2 - Everyone needs more bandwidth
3 - People buy more bandwidth
4 - Profit!!!
5 - Internet flourishes kind of or something.
-- I submitted this story last night, and it didn't get posted.
Re:It should read
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GodHead
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· Score: 4, Insightful
1 - Release new P2P program
That should read "release proof of concept that wont work for 90% of users". It's a tech demo. It's not like there's some shortage of p2p apps anyway.
I think the bit that's missing is why SIP-based p2p would be better than other p2p apps. Someone care to explain that?
-- Just wait till some crappy band steals your nic.
Re:It should read
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Sheepdot
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· Score: 3, Informative
The Underpants Gnomes had 3 steps. If you make it into more, or don't end in "PROFIT!!!" then you aren't doing it for the right reasons. The goal is profit. The goal is ALWAYS profit.
Only a proof of concept...
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garcia
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Will EarthLink SIPshare work behind NAT?
No. All messaging, including the file transfer protocol, are based on UDP. If you want to extend EarthLink SIPshare by incorporating something like STUN for NAT traversal, by all means do so.
Obviously this wasn't originally intended for anything other than the proof of concept as a large group of users interested in P2P would be using some form of NAT. If anything it may be dangerous (if it became popular) because users would DMZ or disconnect from their router to put their machines straight to the net to use this application.
Re:Only a proof of concept...
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ray-auch
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· Score: 3, Insightful
Nope (be lovely if it was that simple), because SIP uses incoming (on different, sometimes random, ports) as well as outgoing connections. At least for VOIP, SIP behind NAT usually requires using proxies and/or STUN servers. See eg. here.
Quoting the Wikipedia link sited for "SIP":
by
idontgno
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· Score: 3, Funny
A goal for SIP was to provide a superset of the call processing functions and features present in the public switched telephone network (PSTN). As such, features that permit familiar telephone-like operations are present: dialing a number, causing a phone to ring, hearing ringback tones or a busy signal. Implementation and terminology are different.
Does SIP reproduce the "Doot-doot-doot-We're sorry, the file you are downloading has been disconncted."?
-- Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
Re:and to think...
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alatesystems
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Don't be fooled. They'll turn over your name and address as soon as the RIAA comes with their subpoena.
At least RoadRunner is nice enough to tell you where they're scanning from so that you can block them. Thanks iptables:)
I hate libertarians as much as the next guy, but let me put on that hat for a minute and ask: so what? If Earthlink honestly provides a good or service that people want, and people use it, why should they not be financially rewarded for their efforts? Profit motive is not inherently bad, however much it may cause unscrupulous players to behave unfairly or unjustly. I don't think Earthlink has done anything to warrant criticism, here, nor are their motives worthy of scorn.
We Are Visionaries!
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underpar
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· Score: 5, Funny
"Finally, EarthLink SIPshare is NOT a supported EarthLink product. It is more than anything else a manifestation of an idea."
Trouble us not with your lame questions! We are busy making the internet flourish!
I'll "induce" a moral conflict: Earthlink is often accused of directly supporting the Church of Scientology. In fact, Sky Dayton, the man responsible for Earthlink, is a devout Scientologist.
Why they did this.
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Sheepdot
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· Score: 4, Interesting
For those of you scratching your heads for a reason to implement this over SIP when established protocols exist out there, here's what you were looking for:
Companies and universities use packet-shaping to stop and block P2P from taking up too much bandwidth. They wouldn't dare touch the data over SIP though, their bosses would kill them if the conference calls ever died.
Hmm. I wonder what will happen if the "VoIP" protocols (SIP and H.323) are suddenly used for much more than only VoIP? If apps like this generate a lot of traffic how will it affect the CALEA and other IP wiretapping efforts? Suddenly the SIP data is just a bunch of garbled white noise. Is it encrypted or is it P2P traffic?
-- Are you...Are you some kind of genius?
No, ma'am, I'm just a regular Slashdot reader.
Scientology out, Christian Right In
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ToasterTester
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Sky Dayton is long gone from EarthLink and the Scientology crowd that was there. After MindSpring took over control of Earthlink the Atlanta Christian Right took over. If you weren' t part of their in-crowd your days as at Earthlink were limited. That is unless you're in India and work for two dollars a day. Then you're okay.
Re:Good Bye EarthLink
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Tackhead
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> 'So if you call our Tech Support with SIPshare questions, they will have no idea what you are talking about.
And this differentiates SIPshare from anything else offered by Earthlink... precisely how?
Slashdot Mirror
EarthLink believes an open Internet is a good Internet. An open Internet means users have full end-to-end connectivity to say to each other whatever it is they say, be that voice, video, or other data exchanges, without the help of mediating servers in the middle whenever possible. We believe that if peer-to-peer flourishes, the Internet flourishes. SIPshare helps spread the word that SIP is more than a powerful voice over IP enabler --- much more. SIP is a protocol that enables peer-to-peer in a standards-based way.
If I recall correctly, ISPs would not be held liable for content traded over P2P networks, recent legal case. But how does this change when the ISP develops a P2P client?
"We believe that if people keep needing more bandwidth, Earthlink will flourish." Earthlink is an ISP, and this is entirely for their own benefit. If more people are using file sharing, then they need more bandwidth to do it. If everyone buys more bandwidth, then the value of the internet is much greater (because it is proportional to connectedness). Then Earthlink gets more money. so you might even say:
1 - Release new P2P program
2 - Everyone needs more bandwidth
3 - People buy more bandwidth
4 - Profit!!!
5 - Internet flourishes kind of or something.
I submitted this story last night, and it didn't get posted.
Will EarthLink SIPshare work behind NAT?
No. All messaging, including the file transfer protocol, are based on UDP. If you want to extend EarthLink SIPshare by incorporating something like STUN for NAT traversal, by all means do so.
Obviously this wasn't originally intended for anything other than the proof of concept as a large group of users interested in P2P would be using some form of NAT. If anything it may be dangerous (if it became popular) because users would DMZ or disconnect from their router to put their machines straight to the net to use this application.
Does SIP reproduce the "Doot-doot-doot-We're sorry, the file you are downloading has been disconncted."?
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
Don't be fooled. They'll turn over your name and address as soon as the RIAA comes with their subpoena.
:)
At least RoadRunner is nice enough to tell you where they're scanning from so that you can block them. Thanks iptables
Chris
I hate libertarians as much as the next guy, but let me put on that hat for a minute and ask: so what? If Earthlink honestly provides a good or service that people want, and people use it, why should they not be financially rewarded for their efforts? Profit motive is not inherently bad, however much it may cause unscrupulous players to behave unfairly or unjustly. I don't think Earthlink has done anything to warrant criticism, here, nor are their motives worthy of scorn.
"Finally, EarthLink SIPshare is NOT a supported EarthLink product. It is more than anything else a manifestation of an idea."
Trouble us not with your lame questions! We are busy making the internet flourish!
I'll "induce" a moral conflict: Earthlink is often accused of directly supporting the Church of Scientology. In fact, Sky Dayton, the man responsible for Earthlink, is a devout Scientologist.
Do you like German cars?
For those of you scratching your heads for a reason to implement this over SIP when established protocols exist out there, here's what you were looking for:
Companies and universities use packet-shaping to stop and block P2P from taking up too much bandwidth. They wouldn't dare touch the data over SIP though, their bosses would kill them if the conference calls ever died.
Hmm. I wonder what will happen if the "VoIP" protocols (SIP and H.323) are suddenly used for much more than only VoIP? If apps like this generate a lot of traffic how will it affect the CALEA and other IP wiretapping efforts? Suddenly the SIP data is just a bunch of garbled white noise. Is it encrypted or is it P2P traffic?
Are you...Are you some kind of genius?
No, ma'am, I'm just a regular Slashdot reader.
Sky Dayton is long gone from EarthLink and the Scientology crowd that was there. After MindSpring took over control of Earthlink the Atlanta Christian Right took over. If you weren'
t part of their in-crowd your days as at Earthlink were limited. That is unless you're in India and work for two dollars a day. Then you're okay.
And this differentiates SIPshare from anything else offered by Earthlink... precisely how?