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Recording Deals In The Digital Age

cascadefx writes "There is a really interesting panel wrap-up over at the National Association of Recording Industry Professionals's website. The Incredible Shrinking Profit Margin panel discussion looks like it included some interesting discussion into the deals that are made with performers now that the rules have changed. These notes offer interesting (perhaps hopeful) business predictions about Britney Spears' career as well as answering the (new)-age-old question about just how much an artist makes off of an iTunes download. Check it out."

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  1. Question is by dosius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why sell through the system at all anymore?

    FP?

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    1. Re:Question is by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Why sell through the system at all anymore?

      Because you don't have a huge marketing machine behind you.

      Alright, that's only relevant to those artists who NEED a huge marketing machine behind them. There are plenty, PLENTY of good solid music producing people who can succeed on their own merits, given good enough distribution.

    2. Re:Question is by lavar78 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Alright, that's only relevant to those artists who NEED a huge marketing machine behind them. There are plenty, PLENTY of good solid music producing people who can succeed on their own merits, given good enough distribution.
      But the problem is getting good enough distribution without the huge marketing machine.
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    3. Re:Question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True, but they don't make as much as they would with larger companies behind them. There are some bands behind very small record labels that get popular completely through word of mouth, but they don't get THAT popular. I'm not saying EVERYONE would like them if they heard them, but more people than the amount needed for a song to be played 5000 times a day on the radio. Some examples: Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Copeland, Hidden in Plain View, Fall Out Boy, The Early November, Brand New, and a lot more from Drive Thru Records. I have never heard a single song by any of them on the radio, but they are exceptional bands with incredible music. And they all have more talent than Britney Spears.

    4. Re:Question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Why sell through the system at all anymore?


      We all know that the old saw "build a better moustrap and the world will beat a path to your door" is a load of crap. Nothing sells without Marketing and the best product is often buried by dreck because the dreck has better marketing.

      Linux only got traction beyond geek hobiests when there were companies (RedHat, IBM etc.) marketing it.

      It amazes me that folks that can realize that fact for the computer industry think that all a performer needs to be successful is talent.

      Sure, talent is great, but without a marketing machine behind you, you are just another starving artist who can't leave the day job behind.

      That's why.

    5. Re:Question is by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But the problem is getting good enough distribution without the huge marketing machine.
      That's what the Internet is for.
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  2. Because by mcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you sell through the system, talent is optional.

    If you sell outside the system, though, you have to succeed on your own merits.

    1. Re:Because by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Lets be fair. There are thousands of highly talented people out there. In the group that I run in, which is admittedly an artistic bunch, there are potential boy bands, folk trios, rock combos, rappers, 2D and 3D visual artists, performance artists, actors, writes, etc. All plenty talented to meet any local requirements, and possibly national requirements. Some are and have received limited success on their own merits.

      But to be a national act or international act, which is what the labels want, there has to be more. The act has to compete with the cheaper local stuff. The act has to have a basis to make the large newspaper and magazines. The act has to have a hook that can be spun and promoted and manipulated. The act has to want to be that famous so that it will make the artistic compromises.

      It is true that the compromises for a pop artist, to those of us that evaluate on artistic merit, are particularly gruesome. But I think all successful artists make these compromises. I often wonder if the music in a classical symphony enjoys playing the overture for Swan Lake for the millionth time in the exact same way. It probably does not matter as long as the rent gets paid.

      Ultimately pop music sells, so they must be doing something right. When classical was pop the reviews predicted the end of the art form. IIRC, the composers were called uncreative and barbarians. Spears has some cool stuff. She was nowhere near as creative as Madonna, and hopefully she spells the end of that particular formula, but if we are open we see that it is not as awful as we once thought.

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  3. There's A Hope? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Britney Spears as a pop artist is over."

    It isn't Britney Spears I fear, but what comes after her. Seems to me that each iteration of manufactured talent is more sickening than the last. (One reason I don't watch American Idol, which seeks out the next 'talent' that fits the cookie cutter.)

    But consider that much of Spears' success was the performance. Sing, dance, strut about the stage, before spending the next few decades going from one failed relationship and addiction to the next until appearing on Good Morning America and announcing she's cleaned up, totally focused on life and ready for a comeback (no, not as a signer, but the next president.) Music downloads don't leave much room for performance, unless you plan to watchs someone frolic about on that miniscule screen on your cellphone. Admittedly, some acts have never had a top-ten song or little chart success anyway, but have enormous cult-like followings (i.e. Jimmy Buffet, are you a parrot head? ;-) and without enough curiousity or word-of-mouth, will people attend shows?

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  4. Changing industry by Sefert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The music industry is changing, along with the movie industry. Distribution channels are changing, and as such the method of getting your margin is going to change too. The RIAA's job of seeming to try and protect what is soon to be an outdated distribution scheme is pointless for the long term, and irritating for the short. A slimmer profit margin is no big deal, when you consider that it's not a few hundred companies trying to support their insfrastructure, but rather a half dozen online firms supporting theirs. Let's not forget that online distributors will never get caught with extra inventory. It's hard to run out of warehouse space. They have to worry less about shipments. In short, thinner margins that are consistent fit the business model. It's nothing to whine about, though of course the RIAA always has to find some large stick to shove in the wrong place.

  5. The Price IS Right! by ngkdc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They just don't get it ... do they? They charged admission to hear this great theory of business. Oh, and you can get a CD of the proceedings ... for $20. Quite accurately, they pointed out that their target audience just isn't buying records anymore. Oh the shock and horror of it all! Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results -- according to Einstein. Maybe that's it ... that's the answer ... the recording cartel (let's not pretend that it's an industry) is collectively insane. That's a much kinder, gentler (though less accurate) view than to say that the recording cartel is stupid and clueless. Even though I'm outside their demographics (no, I'm not at the low end!), I'll continue to buy music I like ... from the artist directly.

  6. On Spears and the record labels. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If everyone shares the general opinion that people like Ms Sears and the rest of the crap spewed by the record labels isn't worth paying for, then who is doing the buying? I hate to break it to you, but there just isn't that much baby sitting money going around for the CDs to be purchased by pre-teens. Spears, Backstreet Boys etc SELL! Thats why they exist. Whats more, saying that the music is crap so they shouldn't get mad when I download it is basackwards. If its crap, there should be zero piracy. Why would you want to download it? If music is worth the download, its worth the 15$ for the CD. Everyone proclaiming the music to be bad seems to just be trying to come up with a reason to justify their disregard for the work of others.

    That having been said, I think the music is crap. But you wont catch me downloading it. For music I like, the cost of the CD is nothing VS the amount of enjoyment I get from it.

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  7. Re:Bad deal by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fair enough. But then again, maybe there's a distinction to be made between music that is produced as art and music that's produced as product.

    A friend of mine was approached by Electronic Arts to record maybe a couple dozen songs for a Sims expansion and The Sims 2, at a rate of $1,000 per song (buyout, as cited -- all rights included). He accomplished this, with the help of a few local musicians that he paid very little, in roughly 48 hours of studio time. He did it as product; nothing more, nothing less. As far as he's concerned, he got a pretty good deal.

    Now, this case is sort of an exception, because all of the lyrics to the songs have to be in Simlish. Pretty hard to find a market for that outside the franchise. But even if that weren't the case, is he really screwing himself, in your estimation?

    As a magazine editor, I regularly publish lots of work by authors who give up all rights to the material they produce. Very few of them have ever come back looking to reclaim those articles. They did that writing for money, just like my friend recorded those songs for money. And I've done the same, and I don't really regret it.

    Seems to me this notion of artists licensing their work to labels is just some kind of backlash to all this talk you hear about corporations wanting consumers to "license" their software and recordings. The way the corporation wants it, you never buy a CD, you license it. You never buy a disc of software, you license it. That sucks. So, great -- is the solution really for individuals to start acting like corporations?

    Whatever happened to getting hired to do a job and doing it, or producing a product and selling it, getting paid, and moving on to the next thing with the satisfaction of being an ethical businessman?

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  8. On Britney Spears by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do please believe me: the last thing I am is a Britney Spears fan. I couldn't even remember a tune from her.

    But to get things straight: She's been professionally singing and performing in Musicals on Broadway since about the age of 10. _professionally_, _singing_, _performing_, _age of 10_. Get it?
    The age when us kind was gaming on atari or SNES and was at least 3 years away from even doing our first lines of basic. She's a performer and an entertainer, and, believe it or not, she's damn good at it. With the support of an uber-patient mother and father she's worked herself up from that girl next door to somebody who's got a licence to print money. 'Tell you what: Go eat your hearts out.

    Bottom Line: I'd suggest the slashdot crowd quit babbling on stuff they can't summon the slightest shade of competence on (popular stage performance and entertainment) and go back to comparing sendmail and postfix. After all, that's what we're actually good at.
    Thank you.

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    1. Re:On Britney Spears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've overlooked one obvious point. It doesn't matter how long she's been doing it, she still sucks.

  9. Re:How about the Prince Model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only problem is, that the Prince name itself has a huge value when it comes to (self)promotion, including fan base, existing connections and just in "brand recognition". I would say, it could worth easily a 7 figure. This is exactly the very similar marketing power the big labels use to promote their favourites. Not to mention, that Prince made enough money previously to self finance his next project.

    Now, how does a no name garage band, with no capital compares to this?

  10. Re:So punishment == deterrent, then. by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure if its worth mentioning, but the old line that "the theory 'eye for an eye' leaves us all blind" is still largely true. More disturbingly, it suggests that rehabilitation is completely impossible.

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    "Stumble before you crawl"
  11. Re:A lousy dime. by pknoll · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yes, they all take their cut. Because printing, advertisement, research, distribution, promotion, transportation, development, bandwidth, storage, administration, and a million other things along the way (depending on whether you're Apple or MCA or a record store or a truck driver) all cost money.

    I know musicians who are in the self-publishing space. They don't have labels, or promoters, or any of that stuff, and they're not on iTunes. So, not only are their choices for distribution more limited, but what they get in exchange for doing all of this themselves is a whole lot less free time, in which to write/play/record. They may make a bit more on each CD they sell--and it's not a LOT more, since none of the things they have to do are any more free than they are for the labels--but it costs them time to do it, and they have to run their own business besides.

    It's unfortunate that music is so popular that it requires an industry to feed it, and it's doubly unfortunate that the cost breakdown pays back based on the actual percentage expense of doing your part, rather than the effort, and triply so that that is abused by the labels, and I do hope the internet is going to change that, and soon. I think iTunes is one step along that road toward transforming the music business, but it won't happen overnight.