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Hawaii Puts Old Computers To Work in Linux Labs

johnp pastes "'As pressure mounts to meet state-mandated educational technology standards, some Hawai'i schools with limited budgets are getting updated computer labs at a fraction of the typical costs.'"

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  1. Wait a Second by rhsanborn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You mean someone realized that they could get a comprehensive solution for extremely little money by NOT buying windows? What a concept. I really hope more schools get Linux labs, even if they already have MS systems. I like the idea of kids getting their hands on something other than MS.

    1. Re:Wait a Second by Randy+Wang · · Score: 5, Funny
      Hey, imagine a Beow- oh, never mind.


      I, too, think it's great that they're setting up Linux labs and it's costing them next-to-nothing, but I don't actually think that's the really important thing, here. While it's great that the kids are being given the chance to sample non-MS software, the money that isn't being spent on software is being spent elsewhere, improving education there within the same budget.


      So, save money on computers, you can afford to pay teachers just a little more, new textbooks can be purchased, and so on. There's a much larger effect than just the adoption of open-source, you know.

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  2. Nice precident in this by tjlsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As the UoH basically invented computer communications by using a discarded satellite to create the ALOHA system, the basic mathematics of which govern Ethernet and the Internet.

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    1. Re:Nice precident in this by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 5, Informative

      At first I thought this was some kind of joke or something (the ALOHA system? in Hawaii?), but it turns out the above poster is actually right. http://www.laynetworks.com/ALOHA%20PROTOCOL.htm

  3. not terribly surprising... by Daniel+Ellard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When you compare "commercial off-the shelf" prices for computers and software with prices of "recycled" computers and free software, of course you're going to see a big difference.

    A more interesting question is total cost of ownership; i.e. how much money this really saves over the long run (factoring in things like the fact that the PTA is probably giving the schools grief because the students are learning Office or similar skills that will help them get jobs... believe me, this happens). I'm sure someone has opinions (and hopefully data) related to that.

    An even more interesting questions is why our schools aren't adequately funded...

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    1. Re:not terribly surprising... by essence · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An even more interesting questions is why our schools aren't adequately funded...

      Maybe because most politicians are owned by corporates. And they only want the upper classes to get good education through private schools - therefore cut funding to public education.

      oh, and maybe if so much money wasn't spent on the military and prison systems, there would be plenty left for schools (and hospitals).

    2. Re:not terribly surprising... by nordicfrost · · Score: 5, Informative

      How can the TCO of Linux possibly be higher than Windows? I manage the network of a small company, with som PCs and a Linux file server. The Windows machines are taking 90% of the work time to manage. The Linux system sits there humming along, while the Windows machines get infected, clogged down and what not. So far, for the company (a small one), the Linux server has cost them 0$ since they recycled an old server, whereas the Windows is 900$ in new hardware for XP + 4 manhours last week trying to remove the about:blank spyware shit. And they are even running in non-priveliged accounts! + Countless more man-hours setting it up, trying to locate drivers etc. Windows has not a lower TCO than Linux, in my experince.

    3. Re:not terribly surprising... by iamatlas · · Score: 4, Funny
      If they use Linux when they grow up, they'll be using a GUI and won't know any more about the Unix command line or Unix internals than the average person knows about the Windows command prompt or Windows internals today.

      AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... IT CAN'T BE TRUE!

  4. Sneaking in through the back door... by Mudcathi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the article: "...the (Hawaii Dept of Education) is unlikely to convert to open-source machines itself, because the schools get big discounts on service for proprietary software. Although the open-source programs are free, technical support is not," (Rodney Moriyama, assistant superintendent of the DOE's Office of Information Technology Services), pointed out, "so the DOE would have to pay if there were problems with the software. There's actually no incentive for us to do it," he said.

    Apparently, he doesn't realize that other branches of the state gov't feel differently, and are putting out bids to convert from Windows to Linux

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  5. bumper sticker... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    My l33t hax0r student just 0wn3d your honor student's Windoze boxen.

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  6. Cool! Brings back highschool memories. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cause in 1991 when I was on "business computer" class in Kaneohe, HI (east side of Oahu) we were running some crusty old 386 machines w/ MS Works. We still had quite a few old Tandy comptuers with 8" floppy drives in the room too. Though nobody used them.

    My first taste of the internet was in sept. 1990 on these NAPLS terminals w/ 1200bps modems they were brand new but right after 2400bps modems came out. But every school and state library had at least one. They connected to an X.25 PSDN called "Hawaii FYI". There was a taxpayer funded chat service on the system, as well as links to the state lib, U of H and some state info systems.

    I met some uni students who then turned me on to MUDs, though you had to break out of the library system to get on the net cause there was no public ISP back then. Unless you counted the university system, but then you had to go to Keller hall in the middle of the night. I actually got to meet a member of LoD while messing around online who was at the time an admin for Santanfe.edu. Oh man this brings back memories!

  7. r'member da kine... by PSaltyDS · · Score: 4, Funny

    I graduated from Moanaloa High School, Honolulu in the 70's. The only computer on the whole campus (besides calculators the size of paperback books with red LED displays and fixed decimal points) was an ASR-33 teletype with a 300bd modem that could talk to a UoH computer. The math teacher would demo some real simple COBOL-looking stuff and cover basic boolean. I remember being very under-whelmed and wondering what anybody outside of NASA wanted with one of those things.

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  8. learning applications, or learning skills? by ChristTrekker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can learn concepts of point-and-click, copy-and-paste, desktop metaphor, and most importantly how to use a help system on any OS. Schools that take the perspective of "we have to teach them system X because that's what they'll use in the 'real world'" are thinking wrong. Teach kids how to think not just which widgets to click.

    And if they weren't screwing around in HyperCard on a Mac they'd be screwing around in Solitaire on in Windows. HyperCard may not be an application used in business today, but the kids learned some skills that can be applied elsewhere. If the teachers stressed that aspect of it, the kids will be OK.

    1. Re:learning applications, or learning skills? by popdookey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You put your finger on our current initiatives with the Boys and Girls Club, our DOE, and the Makiki Community Library. We are working hard to create Community Technology Centers by partnering with existing institutions. The computer labs we donate are just a start.

      Teachings computer literacy with a vendor neutral platform like Linux is the most important goal we have for the next few years. Education is not supposed to be about workforce readiness. That should be a by-product of a solid knowledge base.

      Most importantly, teaching computer literacy with Linux does not create a multi-hundred dollar deficit to own the very software you are learning on.

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