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Another Google Recruiting Technique

An anonymous reader writes "The new edition of Linux Journal has a special insert: The GLAT (Google Labs Aptitude Test) is a Google recruiting quiz presented as a spoof of standardised aptitude tests. It is filled with math and Google-related trivia."

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  1. I would... by snig64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    reply, but cruftbox.com has been /. already. :S I do hate standard aptitude tests, they are usually unrealistic and have nothing to do with what you have actually learned. Take the National Registry EMT tests, they are so "wordy" that you could pick any answer and be right in your head, but because of the one word, the answer is wrong. Anyone can tell you how to do the procedure, but picking the right answer from two right answers is a hard thing to do!

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    1. Re:I would... by nmoog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess you didnt see the test, due to the slashdottin', but the google test is a lot more fun and includes a lot of subjective questions. (Like, how many colours would you need to fill a fuck-knows-a-hedron, and what colours would you choose?)

      They are testing your apptitude but also your character - your creativity, flair, and sense of humour.

    2. Re:I would... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If I have three apples and I take away one how many do I have?

      Two - Correct if you read 'take' as subtract from the original set.

      One - Correct. There were three apples in a set in some undefined state. I took ONE of them (away) and so therefore I have one.

      Three - Correct. I have (own) three apples. But 'taking one away' changes nothing. I own both the original two apples and the one I now have.

      The biggest part of passing verbal/written logic tests that are not expressed unambiguously as mathemnatical symbols is having the sense not to take them in the first place.

  2. It's in the Mensa Bulletin too. by Stile+65 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They've been putting puzzles on the inside front cover of the Mensa Bulletin for at least the past few months (I just joined). This month, the GLAT was stapled to the inside instead of the inside cover puzzles I'd been seeing.

    It actually has some neat questions. Lots of fun!

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    1. Re:It's in the Mensa Bulletin too. by cft_128 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It's off-topic, etc., but I'm curious if anyone can answer this without using subjective, ambigious words such as "fair" or "just," because it seems that the general "explanation" for paying taxes as a percentage of income is, "Well, that's only fair." Which explains nothing.

      I'm not expert (never stopped me from posting before) and someone else can probalbly put the better, but IMO the short answer is that it is better for society as a whole. For example if we do not have an education system that every can use then society loses (yes, we have a poor education system, but it is still leaps and bounds better than say Sudan's). Poor people cannot pay for all of it on their own. Same with crime fighting. If people cannot get educated, they have a much harder time making a living wage, if they cannot make a living wage, crime can rise.

      Public health, crime fighting, firefighting and the military are also other areas that benefit the whole society.

      I ran across this idea recently (well actually a long time ago but have not really thought about it much) and am still turning it over in my head, here is the basic argument: the rich get more from the government. Where are all the good public schools? In the good neighborhoods. Who got the most money from the S&L bailouts? Who is more likely to get a robbery investigated, a person living in an aparment or a mansion? The poeple with larger deposits. Corporations also get quite a bit of money in subsidies from the government too, and poor people are not in the habit of running those. Related to this, rich people also control more of the government (how many poor people have a really good lobbyist, or the last senator that was living in a studio aparment and drove a 1986 tercel).

      Poor people do get benefit from government. In 1995 (these are what I had on hand) they gave about $116 billion to the poor (medicaid, AFDC, Food stamps, housing subsidies, school lunch, head start, etc). That is only about 8% of the whole budget. 8% is also what was spent on corporate subsidies (farm subsidies, S&L and bank rescues, export/import assistance, tax credits, reimbursement for advertising, etc.)

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  3. Re:Is anyone else... by boomgopher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, one person I used to work with who was hired by Google was nothing special in the slightest, and was slated to be fired by my company in a layoff (due to lack of tech skills, that is).


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  4. Don't forget the foot soldier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    As an employee in a longtime Google competitor (gee, guess who), I must say from day to day I find the foot soldier, often educated at a state school, much more useful than the Einstein. They work their tails off, don't say no to any project, and work instead of cruising the web.

    1. Re:Don't forget the foot soldier by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean Yahoo?

      Yahoo has a totally, completely different approach to their systems. I mean totally different.

      Google is about churning out new ideas that are good enough that they can produce value that nobody else can produce. A lot of things that Google produces aren't immediately useful to users (take Google Sets for example -- cool, but nobody has an application for it yet).

      Google, unlike Yahoo, demands that all of their data be buildable by computer, that it absolutely scale up with computer hardware.

      Yahoo takes a "what does the customer want" approach, and often sticks a lot of people on things. Yahoo's directory was *possible* at the time Yahoo built it because they were willing to commit a lot of humans to it. A bunch of things, like Yahoo Quotes, are nothing particularly new or interesting, something that nobody but Yahoo can do -- but they are *useful*.

  5. Jumping through hoops by slyckshoes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Honestly, I was happy when I got a job after college where I could do real work (design/architect & implement) and quit jumping through stupid hoops to prove how smart I was. I've answered my fair share of brain teasers, pattern recognition, cute/stupid questions. This is crap that pisses me off. I'm sure google wants smart people, but they're going to overlook all the people who just get shit done when it needs to be done (and do it well) because they're going for the people who are creative. I'll take someone slightly less smarter with a good work ethic who realizes that work is more than just answering stupid riddles.

    And yes, I may be slightly jealous that I don't work at Google, but honestly this type of thing really turns me off. I guess I'm not what they're looking for then.

  6. Re:GLAT - sample questions by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I typed out a few more lines and immedaitely noticed the following:

    1) you can obviously never have a digit over 3
    2) if you right-justify the numbers you immediately see many 2d structures, as well as periodicity to each column, but the way the pattern changes from one col to the next is not obvious
    3) if you sum each row, or look at the differences in sums between rows, there are even more patterns... is there a fibonacci sequence buried in there? will have to spend some more time on this one. :)

  7. Re:GLAT - sample questions by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Very interesting things happen if you try it in binary, i.e. 111100 -> 1001100

    I'd post the results but I haven't the patience to circumvent the lameness filters.

  8. Re:GLAT - sample questions by the_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    for f(1):

    0, 1

    the number 1 is written once.

    for f(13):

    0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13

    there are 6 ones: 1 from each of 1, 10, 12, 13, and two from 11, for a total of 6.

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  9. "test" breaches Australian law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was quite stunned to see the form in my magazine.

    The job screening exam clearly breaches Australia's anti-discriminiation laws (simplifying somewhat, Google is asking some questions unrelated to my potential performance as an employee, therefore the questions must be for some discriminatory purpose). I'd be surprised if the same were not true of the US.

    What this screening exam did for me was to confirm Google's corporate stupidity.

    Google is now first on the list of places I'd never want to work -- what concern is it of their's what I do with my spare time.

    I've no idea what Linux Journal thought they were doing by accepting the insert.

  10. Re:Is anyone else... by IvyMike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since it is illegal to test people's intelligence in the U.S. for a job

    Reference, please? I don't think that's true (unless it's relatively recent). For example, seven years ago IBM was still giving aptitude tests as a part of the interview process for new hires.

  11. Re:Resistor lattice? by Snoochie+Bootchie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think you're drawing the diagram of the problem correctly. You're finding the resistance between two points defined by the knight's move ("two squares straight and one square to the side" http://chess.about.com/library/ble132kn.htm). As a result, the resistance is definately not infinite.

    Each square of the infinite chess board has a resistor. Therefore, the squares involved in te knight's move look like this:

    --+--R--+--R--+--R--+--B
    | | | |
    R R R R
    | | | |
    A--+--R--+--R--+--R--+--
    Y
    Where each R is 1 Ohm. You're finding the resistance between the points A and B. We want to find the resistance between points A and B. Let's look at a simplification and find the resistance between points B and Y. You have two Rs in series and then each of these pairs are in parallel: 1/(1/(R+R) + 1/(R+R)) = 1/(1/2 + 1/2) = 1.

    Care to guess what the resistance between A and B is?

  12. Re:Admit it by ajna · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those wishing to find organizations more stringent in their requirements than Mensa (pages all from :

    TOPS (99th percentile, which apparently equates to a 1360 on the SAT, which is surprisingly low)
    One in a thousand society (99.9th, ~1520 on the SAT), all the way to the Giga society which demands with a straight face an IQ of 196 or higher to join.

    Ok, I'm tired of providing links. Look a few pagefuls down on this page http://www.eskimo.com/~miyaguch/hoeflin.html and you'll see that such societies are both in abundance and have widely varying selection criteria. I qualify for most - but certainly not all! - of those societies purely on academic test scores (haven't been IQ tested since I was a youth) but don't see the point of them and don't feel like going through the trouble of specialized "entrance exams". I can stroke my ego myself, thank you very much, and defining any of my life strictly on "how smart I am" vs. "what I have accomplished" or "what am I in the process of accomplishing" would be counterproductive imo.

  13. My Google recruiting experience.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recently interviewed at Google and got an offer, but didn't go. I think they sort of dropped the ball.

    At the risk of sounding arrogant (and, there's no way I'd post this if I weren't doing so anonymously), I was a very qualified candidate. I solved all their puzzles and made an incredibly positive impression on everyone there I visited. Simiarly, Google made a very positive impression on me. It's been my dream to work for them for many years and I finally had the opportunity!

    Then, things sort of turned a little bit worse. I was also being courted by a Very Large Software Company. VLSC also made me an offer. It was better, but the money wasn't the issue. Every few days, someone from VLSC would call me to tell me how important it was that I go to work for them. How excited they were about me and extolling the virtues of VLSC.

    First my future boss called. His boss called. HIS boss called. And *that* guy's boss called! At this point it was someone very high up in the company. All of them had the same message: we really want you to come here. They started sending little gifts to my house.

    Meanwhile, I heard nothing from Google. Their recruiter called me occasionally but never replied to my emails or indicated having read them on phone calls. I asked if it would be possible to speak to anyone else in Google who I might speak with about the type of work I'd be doing or the people I'd be working with. No one ever contacted me. Now, they were getting ready for their IPO so I suppose they had better things to think about, but the overwhelming impression I got was "Your loss if you don't work here. Whatever, come if you want." Meanwhile, VLSC made it clear it would be *their* loss if I didn't work there and that they'd do everything they could to make it the best place ever to work.

    It was incredibly painful to have to give up my dream of working for Google. But ultimately, VLSC convinced me that they were more excited about the work I could do and that I'd have a better opportunity there to do it.

    I really wanted to want Google. They made it very hard.

    I hope someone from Google reads this and maybe can pass this on to HR folks. It's not something I feel comfortable attaching my name to.

  14. Re:Google is evil. by wass · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The difference between PHD and PHB is only two bits.

    Wrong, the proper capitalization is PhD, meaning lowercased 'h'. Assuming ASCII, the 'h' goes from 0x38 for 'H' to 0x58 for the properly cased 'h'. So the difference between PhD and PHB is really 0x22.

    Thereby proving that there actually is something more than just a shave and a haircut between the PHB and PhD.

    And yes, this is probably the dorkiest slashdot post I've ever written.

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  15. Re:How would others solve this one? by aaza · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A far more interesting problem (well, in my opinion, anyway):
    TEN
    TEN
    FORTY
    -----
    SIXTY
    Write it out, right justify it (I can't get /. to do that), try it.

    Each letter equals one digit, there are ten different letters. Solve without using a computer. It is possible, and can be considered easy if you can work out how to record what letters can and can't be which digits.

    I have nothing against using a program to solve this, but it defeats the purpose (which is to see who can logically solve - not brute force - the puzzle).

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  16. Google presentation or recruitment session? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I attended a Google presentation at SUCON where a Google drone held a very shallow presentation of the tech stuff behind Google.

    In a nutshell, he hinted that they use Linux, that they have loads of cheap systems which 1) they expect will break down and 2) are cheap to fix, that a large part of the systems indexes content and that another large part of the systems serves content. And Google is hiring.

    He constantly repeated that because they went public he was not allowed to be specific. And he wasn't. There was a watchful Google woman that apparently took note of everything that went on and assisted at the proclamations of secrecy. And Google is hiring.

    Then he touched the Google policy and hinted that Google has a sort of principle of "not being evil". In my words, this means Google has considered being evil and decided not to be (maybe for the time being). Did I mention that Google is hiring?

    Oh yes and they were hiring. Yes hiring, hiring and hiring. There were even forms (as if the audience didn't know where to look for them on Google). And of course he couldn't say anything about the rates, due to... But Google is hiring.

    At the end of the presentation I thought:
    • Google kicks ass in low cost high performance computing.
    • Gmail will give them experience in how to handle confidentially in low cost high performance computing.
    • They (and not RedHat) have everything in order to become the next MS. (Monopoly on a technology and loads of quickly earned bucks.)
    • I guess that their going public results in less fun at the company.
    • Why do they need/want more money? They are doing OK as it is!
    • I decided to let Google have loads of fun with their money and not to take anything of that away from them by applying.
    • Oh yeah, they probably want the best for the lowest price. Both in HW and HR.
    And not to forget: Google is hiring.
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  17. GLAT vs, Google Output by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    GLAT: Number of blank lines for testee's answer: 5.
    Number of "found pages" for typical google search: 523,984