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Is "Marketingspeak" Killing Technology?

An anonymous reader writes "In this essay titled, inevitably, "SUNset?" an analogy is drawn between the car industry in Detroit, which failed in the 70s because the execs looked out their windows and saw nothing but American cars and so missed completely the threat from Japanese companies, and Sun Microsystems. "Sun is going to fail in this decade if it does nothing but send out surveys to customers asking them to validate marketing phrases of Sun's creation," says the author. He adds: "If you are someone who never gets tired of hearing 'proven,' 'best-of-breed,' 'cost-effective,' or 'taking the surprise out of business solutions,' then contact Sun and demand as much of their current marketing material as they can muster." But it isn't just Sun, surely. This is a failing of technology marketeers in general. Hmm, doubtless we can all come up with our own examples far equally awful as these from Sun. Who can come up with worse?"

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  1. Mature industry by pradeepsekar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are these signs of a mature industry which is in need of a disruptive change in the market to shake it up?

  2. Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will never understand Technology.

    I find in every place I've worked that Marketing and Technology NEVER can agree on anything, so why should Sun be any different?

    1. Re:Marketing by jimfulton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [Marketing] Will never understand Technology.

      Only for poor marketers and poor technologists.


      Good technology marketers often start out as as engineers who find they have a passion for evangelizing their creations. Similarly, the best technologists make the biggest impact on the world often because they are able to get people to immediately understand the value of what they create.


      The "field of dreams" approach usually ends up giving you a pile of dirt covered with weeds.

  3. All I Know by The-Bus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is that this is the only time I want to see the word "synchronicity" being used.

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  4. ColorStream by renehollan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Several years ago, I went looking for a new television, which was HD Ready. At the time, this meant having analog component video inputs: YPbPr and capable of accepting 720P and/or 1080i signals. There was no DVI (with HDCP), yet.

    So, I go into this store, and I ask about such TVs, and all the sales droids yammer on about Sony with "ColorStream!"

    WTF is ColorStream? Does that mean component video inputs, i.e. YPbPr that support 720P and 1080i inputs? "No," sales droid says, "ColorStream" gives you a better picture.

    It was only by requesting the manual for the set in which I was interested, that I could verify that ColorStream meant YPbPr. And even then, I had do refer to the specification summary page.

    I'm sure that many lost sales happen because some sales doofus doesn't know that the product they're flogging actually meets the customer's needs perfectly!

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    1. Re:ColorStream by Astadar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I bet more sales are made because people are impressed by "Now, with ColorStream!"

      Now THERE's the root of the problem.

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    2. Re:ColorStream by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I'm sure that many lost sales happen because some sales doofus doesn't know that the product they're flogging actually meets the customer's needs perfectly!"

      That's only if the customer actually knows their needs. Half the time the customer doesn't know what they need and will rely on the salesperson to tell them what they need. The other half (almost) the customers thinks they know what they need and will let the salesperson convince them that what they sell is what they need.

      The thing is, almost every salesperson will approach it from the viewpoint that what they're selling is exactly what the customer should buy. That's why you see people walk out of Best Buy with the wrong thing for the wrong system, all at the wrong price.

    3. Re:ColorStream by Retric · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My problem with market speak is it get's dated vary quickly. I know what max rez 1600x1200@85hz is and what going to 1600x1200@100hz does but WTF dos XVGA mean and is it better or worse than SVGA?

      Is that geforce 4 MX better or worse than a geforece 3? (worse) How about Radion 9800 vs X800?

      Now with CPU's we got a simple number that has some meaning within a product line 3.0Ghz vs 3.2Ghz? But what do I do when I want to pick up a TV? I now have HD vs non HD, projection vs flat screen, analog vs Digital, 720P and or 1080i. And they want me to know that ColorStream means what now? Look TV's are boxes give me a size / shape, resolution(s), and then show me the picture quality tell me a price and leave me the fuck alone.

      PS: Don't fuck with the settings I am going to reset them to base anyway and doing so just annoys me.

  5. "Solution" and "rich" do it for me by sphealey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any technology pitch with the words "solution", "rich", or "exciting" and I automatically check to see if my pocket has been picked. "Rich" - now that's rich!

    sPh

  6. I followed the "Awful" examples link by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And I found this:


    First, run the "BS Detector" (www.streettech.com/bs) over your website to check for marketing-speak. Then deploy and action these tips:


    Convert your online visitors into customers by inviting them to act. Every page should have a clear call to action to get your visitors to take the next step.


    Cut to the chase. People scan web pages, they don't read them, and they read at least 30% slower off the screen than off paper. Use active verbs rather than passive ones. It saves words and is more persuasive.


    Note all the bolded text in the snippet above. Is this an inside joke? Look at all the BS in those sentences! ;P

  7. Customers by pete-classic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The market delivers what customers want.

    My theory is that the problem, if there is one, is that MBAs are making too many of the technical decisions. (I.e. "Which mail server should we use? Why, Exchange, of course!")

    As long as the real customer is a non-technical person, technological products will be marketed this way.

    -Peter

    1. Re:Customers by maxpublic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The market delivers what customers want.

      Often the case is that the market defines what the customer wants, then convinces the customer that the 'want' in question was their own idea in the first place.

      It's the only way I can explain prime-time TV.

      Max

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  8. Hey, that's pretty insightful... by StressGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    could you imagine a Beowulf cluster of thinkers like this in Soviet Russia - where the industry changes you?

    Yea, I know, I should have just shut up and modded the parent post as funny. It will be interesting to watch though, the parent smacks of a funny post that is in danger of being modded insightful.

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  9. My personal favorite by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is mission critical. It's a seriously overused, and tragically misunderstood phrase.

    Here's a good working definition of "mission critical". If you'd be willing to hang upside down out of a 10 story window by a rope that gets cut if your software crashes, then it's mission critical. If not, then it isn't. Be sure and ask your salesperson if they'd be willing to undergo this test to prove their software's mission critical reliability.

    Hardware and software where people's lives are on the line are mission critical. Think Apollo missions and nuclear power plants, folks. Anything else, isn't.

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    1. Re:My personal favorite by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well, they just mean by "misson critical" that if the program fails then your WHOLE OPERATION WILL BE SCREWED, it doesn't actually have any promise of that it wouldn't happen...

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    2. Re:My personal favorite by conteXXt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it would depend on your company's "mission".

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    3. Re:My personal favorite by ultramk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hardware and software where people's lives are on the line are mission critical. Think Apollo missions and nuclear power plants, folks. Anything else, isn't.

      That's an extremely poor definition.

      "Mission critical" is a concept that very much relies on the nature of your "mission" (obviously). Not everyone has life-or-death issues hinging on our projects. Usually, it just means that you'll lose some customers, lose some sales, lose a few million dollars, lose your job, etc. However, just because no one's dying, doesn't mean that it isn't important. Obviously.

      For example, I used to work for a company that supplied printing plates to a cardboard box manufacturer (the agricultural industry). Our mission was getting these plates to the customer fast enough so that they could keep their multi-million presses running 24/7.

      The economics were as such: every hour the press wasn't running (waiting for plates to arrive, whatever), cost the company $55k.
      Plus overtime for the press operators.
      Plus not getting the boxes to their customer before their product started to wilt in the field.
      Plus delaying the schedule of the truck drivers who had to haul this stuff cross country.
      Plus my company getting a rep for not being able to come through in the clutch.

      Essentially, one "little" mistake (or delay, same thing) ends up affecting hundreds if not thousands of people, and their livelihoods.

      In my case, that's what "mission critical" meant.

      What's your mission?

      m-

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  10. "The Innovator's Dilemma" by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Talking to your existing customers works fine in a static market. You can still win even if the technology is changing but the customers remain the same. "The Innovator's Dilemma" pulls a lot of material from a large study of the disk drive industry. Incumbent players stayed in business through radical changes in technology, dying only from changes in the market.

    Changes in the market happen when a "disruptive" technology comes along. "Disruptive" doesn't mean you have to rip out your assembly line: the disk drive makers succeeded at that several times. "Disruptive" means something that redefines the market.

    The personal computer is a clear example. Like other disruptive technologies it was cheaper than what was already there, sold to a different set of customers, and wasn't as good (*at first*) as the incumbent technology. DEC's customers continued using VAXen to do work that wouldn't fit on the first personal computers.

    Then the new customers buy in volume, mass production drives down the price, high volume pays for improvements, and before you can say "386" the disruptive technology is undermining the old technology. Companies like DEC wind up selling "proven" solutions to a shrinking customer base. Eventually they die.

    "Marketing", in its highest and most useful form, involves getting into the heads of your customers and understanding what they need before they know it themselves. But the future lies with people who are not your customers.

    The book listed other examples including hydraulic earth-moving equipment, but the principle was the same.

  11. Re:"marketingspeak" doesn't determine decisions by Kainaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's jargon and buzzwords and nothing more.

    That is mostly correct. Decision makers do get deaf to words they hear too much. But, tech marketing is also a numbers (or versions) game. For instance, is Company A's Superpro 1700 better than Company B's Megapro 1600? The people making decisions don't know what the numbers mean. That marketing hype is in all areas of hardware from the computers to video cards and monitors (my 19" LCD has a screen that is actually 17" - but the casing is 19"). It is also in software - just look at IE and Netscape's version jockying in the past.

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  12. Don't sink to their level by StCredZero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Deciding if marketing-speak is BS based on buzzword matching/frequency counting is just sinking to their level. It's as devoid of semantics and real thought as buzzword matching to do hiring. After all, there's always a marketing/engineering disconnect, so this will likely tell you zilch about the technology.

    If you want to evaluate a technology, evaluate the technology -- ignore all of the marketing. Be empirical. Actually play with the technology. If they won't let you get your hands on it, then be suspicious.

    Responding to the original post, that's right if you define "maturity" for an industry to mean "the point at which a significant fraction of those involved don't understand what they're saying and just pass along marketspeak like neurons in a big brain processing signals."

  13. Marketing isn't Killing Sun, Sun is by cthrall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > But it isn't just Sun, surely.

    There's dumb marketing everywhere.

    But Sun could have the best marketing on the planet and still not be selling their products (hardware and OS), which have been largely commoditized. Yes, they have high-end servers...but years ago, cheaper Intel/AMD boxes weren't considered "server-class" hardware like they are now.

    There is a larger issue: Sun's ability to "pull an IBM" and figure out how to leverage the changing software/hardware world instead of defending their market share.

  14. Conversely... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Technology will never understand Marketing. The two are different concepts with different goals. Marketing's goal is to attract the people who spend the money and make the big overall decisions to their technology. Technology's goal is to explain itself to the people who have to implement it.

    Unfortunately, many technology leaders think Marketing is just cunning language and empty promises. So when they make a terribly useful technology, they fail to explain it and instead spin a picture of what it COULD be.

    It is not just companies, either. Take a look at the product pages on Apache.org and see how long it takes to figure out exactly what a technology does, what platforms it works on, what language it works with and how to connect to it. Some of them are good. Most of the time, this information vital to deciding whether the technology is useful or not is hidden three or four links in, and occasionally it's not there at all. I mean, what the fuck is this? (rhetorical question, don't answer). Furthermore, the names of the projects are apocryphal and completely undescriptive. "Do we use Cocoon or Veocity for this project?" Who knows.

    Technology is massively complicated. Just think of the question "What is Linux?" The term is used simulateously, by different people, to refer to a Kernel, to refer to a set of development tools, to refer to a GUI, to refer to a development philosophy, etc. Marketing's job is to boil off the variables you don't need to make a purchasing decision, and spice up the biggest advantages. If marketing isn't doing that, if all they're doing is making insane promises or coming up with wierd names, fire your marketing department. They're wasting your money.

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    1. Re:Conversely... by Lost+Race · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The Linux kernel, and various Apache projects, and open source / free software projects in general, are not marketable products, they are raw materials from which marketable products can be constructed. Those products (e.g. Red Hat Linux) are the things that need marketing to make sales, and have enough potential sales revenue to justify marketing.

      Where is the Apache marketing budget going to come from? Why does Apache need marketing? To make more "sales"? The software is available for free download! They make no money on "sales"! It seems to me all the Apache projects need is developers, specifically competent developers expert in fields related to the various projects. So those cryptic, obtuse Apache web pages are actually spot on for their purpose, which is to get more developers (who know and understand the issues already, newbies need not apply) involved in the projects.

      (To get a real visceral understanding of the difference between "open source project" and "marketable product", try downloading MythTV and setting yourself up a PVR; then try buying a Tivo and plugging it in. I say this not to cast aspersions on the MythTV project -- I am a dedicated hardcore MythTV user and will probably never buy a Tivo -- but to highlight the fact that MythTV is all about TV-recording technology, while Tivo is all about recording TV. Which one needs marketing? The one that records TV, not the one that provides interesting technology.)

  15. Translating Technobabble by smack.addict · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The basic problem is that marketing is charged with explaining a technology to non-technologists. Often these technologies are quite difficult to explain. For example, how do you explain an identity management system to a CFO?

    Now, the knee-jerk slashdot reaction is to say that the CFO has no business making technology decisions. It is his business, however, to determine what the company is spending money on. Is this identity management system some IT toy? Or is it something that will make the company more profitable?

    You need to be able to explain technology to non-technologists in order for good technologies to sell, especially when those technologies are expensive.

    Buzzwords evolve when someone develops a way of expressing something that actually means something. Then others latch on to those words and dilute the strength of their meaning. Over time, people forget what the original meaning even was.

    Paradigm is a real world with a real meaning. In terms of describing technology, however, it has lost all semblance of meaning because it is now used to mean anything. Once upon a time, however...

  16. Problem: People with no technical knowledge by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Insightful


    There is a huge problem with people working in a technological company who have no interest in or knowledge of technology. Not only do they feel pressured to lie when they don't know what they are doing, they can't always detect when they are lying. They become robot liars representing their company.

    This kind of thing affects more than the technology industry. It's only natural that people who work in companies that pretend to be sane would vote for a president who pretends to be sane.

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