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AMD vs Intel: A Linux Bout
CrzyP writes "AnandTech puts the latest and greatest AMD and Intel CPUs, including 32-bit and 64-bit versions, to the test in their first ever "Linux Desktop CPU Roundup" to see which performs the best in various Linux applications including database, compiling, rendering, encryption, and more. They suggest the Athlon 64 3500+ over the P4 560 for "balancing price and performance". Very informative!"
Everyone KNOWS that for the best Linux performance you must use a specially optimized compile with Gentoo! It's a FACT!
So, isn't there some Bias here ?
We associated so much Intel and Windows in the past that it now seems obvious that AMD is better for Linux ?
Just a question, I have not checked the thoroughness of these tests.
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Aside from the few times Intel released a great overclocker, I have never seen a lower-priced Intel processor beat a higher-priced AMD processor in any significant set of benchmarks..
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Yet, benchmarks, until recently, always seemed to compare same clock speeds/ratings despite Intel's offerings always costing more. It's nice they're starting to be more fair to AMD.
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They suggest the Athlon 64 3500+ over the P4 560
Well yea. The AMD has more and bigger numbers. Its got to be gooder.
So this latest benchmark suggests that HyperThreading doesn't do a whole lot. Is this the case on all unixy systems (ie: is HT geared more to Windows?) or is lacklustre performance on Windows the case as well?
I'm leaning heavily to the AMD 64 stuff for my next home unixy machine, any arguments for the P4?
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Why am I surprised ?? :)
Because you probably have a crap heatsink/fan combo. If you like to live richly get a Swiftech MXV462-V series heatsink for it... Works wonder but it's damn pricey (around $50.00 for the heatsink itself, big heavy copper block with a few hundred rough surface aluminum spikes driven into it in a spherical layout)
s wiftech/mcx462-v/page2.htm
It also has one of the best mounting methods I've seen, no more screwdrivers prying against super strong springs in tight corners...
http://www.cluboverclocker.com/reviews/heatsinks/
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The Price/Performace of a VIA C5 (or C7)would be interesting to see here. No, I don't expect it to come even close in 'horsepower' to the players, but it would be of great interest for low-cost server appliances of sorts.
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Since you didn't read the article, why are you asking the question? The testing looked pretty thorough to me, and the analysis was reasonable.
And for the record, I know a number of AMD freaks. None of them are pro-AMD because of the Windows vs Linux thing. A few of them are anti-Intel, but some of them use Windows.
So at least among those I know who voice an opinion, your thesis rings false.
Any article that bases its conclusions on price/performance ratios that leaves out AMD's socket 754 Athlon64s is overlooking a major contender. Socket 754 chips generally cost far less than the s939 ones at comparable speeds and with the current generation of chips the dual-channel memory that s939 offers doesn't provide that much of a performance boost.
Some might say that the s754 chips are an upgradability dead end but most people aren't upgrading CPUs without replacing the motherboard & RAM anyways. A s939 chip doesn't really get you much more upgrade headroom since there are no 939 boards with PCI-Express and DDR2 on them anyways...
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Hyperthreading lets the other thread use execution units that'd otherwise be empty due to pipeline bubbles. This makes a reasonable difference on many applications on the P4, due to its absurdly long pipeline. A more sensible pipeline length (i.e. an AMD processor) means there'll be less benefit to hyperthreading. I can't think of any good reason why the effects will be different between Windows and Linux.
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I love AMD for the stealth marketing.
AMD has never ran an ad campaign informing me the processor is inside the computer. AMD has never assaulted my ears with crappy noise from painted blue freaks.
1. Put the money into R&D
2. produce a great product a fair price
3. let the word of mouth advertising do it's thing.
4. Profit
There is no ??? in this business strategy.
They suggest the Athlon 64 3500+ over the P4 560 for "balancing price and performance".
Naturally, I didn't RTFA, but doesn't this suggest that I, as a geek who doesn't care about the value of my money, would get better performance with the Intel? Otherwise, they would just come right out and say that the AMD is the fastest of all processors, wouldn't they? I mean, I know that I would choose a DLP HDTV for "balancing price and performance", but that LCD is just so damn cool. Hell, I don't know, maybe I'll go read the article, but this sounds like some of that marketing speak we were recently warned about.
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I'd allow them to skip the Itanium processor line, but to skip the 64bit EM64T is quite odd for such a review. Handing the 64bit categories with no competition like that is almost a PR exercise. You might as well be throwing G5 performance numbers at x86 machines instead of consulting the POWER5 equivalents (closest competition).
The Swiftech MCX462-V (MVX does not exist afaik ;)) is not the best heatsink out there money can buy. There are a lot of others which beat the Swiftech in both performance, price and noise levels. I've done 2 AMD heatsink roundups, one of them was posted at /. here
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The latest update I made can be found here from August 2004 and includes tons of innovative Heatpipe coolers which deliver great performance at a lower price! can't beat that?
Look for a Thermalright SP-94 or Sharkoon HSP1 to get your AMD chilly
Ya because todays consumer is well informed about all issues surrounding the product they intend to purchase. Thats why OS/2 and Apple beat out the less then stellar offerings from Microsoft over the past decade.
Hmmmm....
People buy what ever a company makes the most noise about. There are still people that you really have to slam their head against a wall to convince that an AMD processor isn't inferior to Intel, simply because they never hear of this 'AMD thing.' The only real reason to choose one over the other is the cost. That said, being a fan of either is just silly. Unless you run benchmarks that spit out numbers, which are meaningless in the real world, you will not be able to tell what a system is running. If I threw a AMD processor in a box and slapped an Intel Inside sticker on the front, 99 out of 100 people would tell me I'd get better performance from an AMD chip after they used it, the last person probably wouldn't care. You see an increase in performance in an AMD system because you expect to, not because it actually is so much better, since the differences in real performance are imperceptible.
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According to the review, faster processors performed better than slower ones.
Gee, whodathunkit.
Recently posted: Intel's New Platform Verses AMD's 64-bit Prowess. Similar scope in benchmarks, perhaps better analyzed.
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How little in the way of data analysis skills even tech savvy people have.
Mouse over to see the 64 bit results, on a different scale? Yuck.
Do the test 3 times and take the maximum? Yuck, how about the average?
Bar charts? With non-constant widths between factors? yuck.
I think probably 3 charts would have sufficed to show the whole thing. One showing total sum of time taken to run each of 3 suites: desktop, content, and benchmark, one color per suite.
One showing the effect of 32 vs 64 bits on processors capable of doing both.
One anova of DDR1 vs DDR2 (text) and of Hyperthreading vs. Not.
One plot of performance to price ratio for the best config of each processor.
And don't even get me started on the HINT benchmark (which is hard to get anymore I guess).
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Well, all of the benchmarks are available. To make it easier for people to run benchmarks on their computers and make more tech sites to GNU/Linux benchmarking, I am currently developing a LiveCD for benchmarking purposes (and of course the benchmark scripts will be usable by everyone as well as the programs for configuration etc.). http://linbench.sf.net
AMD is doing something else. "Word of mouth" can be VERY powerful today. But I bet they'd be doing LOTSA publicity if the internet hadn't arrived yet.
Remember what the lack of marketing did to the Commodore Amiga (with its powerful Video Toaster), when IBM only made bleeps and creeps.
Think about it.