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The Secret Behind the iPod Scroll Wheel

Grump sent in a story saying "Ask any iPod user what they like the most about their device, and most will probably mention the scrollwheel. Here is the story behind the company that makes it (hint: it's not Apple). Great not just for the history, but insight as to both how Apple's design process works, and how the scroll wheel itself works."

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  1. Nothing really new there... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    25 years ago, Tektronix graphic terminals had scroll-wheels for cursor movement (this was before mice became widespread). And Hewlett-Packard had an innovative scrollwheel that was usable in both directions (in conjunction with the cursor keys) on the 9836 series desktop computers.

    1. Re:Nothing really new there... by pmc · · Score: 5, Funny

      And, to bring scolling to the audio world, I have a very old (15 years) Sony Tuner that has a scroll wheel for choosing between the preset stations (up to 30). And it does the cute trick of the faster you spin the faster the choices go by. I don't think this was particularly innovative then either, but I think it's the oldest device I have with such an interface.

    2. Re:Nothing really new there... by puz · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Pong system is a little different from the scroll wheel in that it senses the ABSOLUTE angle of a variable resistor whereas the scroll wheel detects RELATIVE angle of a rotary encoder. I know because I actually built a PONG system using GI's famous AY chip.

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    3. Re:Nothing really new there... by Bio · · Score: 5, Funny

      And I had a telephone, that had a scroll wheel to dial numbers. There were 10 holes in the wheel with digits printed underneath. There was even a mechanism to rotate the wheel back into its rest position, after you moved it.

    4. Re:Nothing really new there... by ChicagoBiker · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Amazingly, because of this system, perceived "higher priority/class" area's were given lower numbered area codes because they were quicker to dial on the rotary phone and would cause the user less aggravation and time (1 taking the shortest amount of time and 0 taking the most).

      It's why New York is/was 212 and Chicago 312, etc.

      909 would be considered the most unimportant place on the planet for the time.

      The really privliaged and status hungry would beg, steal or borrow to attempt to get an old 5 digit number like 1-1111 or 1-1221.

    5. Re:Nothing really new there... by 87C751 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually a rotary phone does not use timing what so ever.
      Kids, these days...

      Standard pulse timing is 10 pps, with a window from about 7.5-12 IIRC. It's been a while since I had to adjust the little mechanical governor that controlled the rotary dial return rate. Duty cycle is 50%. Pulse too slow and it will be mistaken for a hookflash. Too fast and you'll exceed the slew rate of the switch and drop pulses. Mechanical switches are, of course, more succeptible to too-fast pulse rates. Electronic switches can probably accept faster than 12 pps, but 10 is still the standard.

      The "turning of the dial" creates no current. It interrupts the circuit. So does the hookswitch, which led to being able to "dial" a phone with the hookswitch. You still had to have good manual dexterity, especially when there were higher numbers in the number you were trying to reach. This was popular in the days when a coin telephone disabled only the dial circuit and not the voice path. Nowadays, of course, you can't do this because the dial tone you hear when you pick up is generated by the phone itself, which accepts your call information and then decides how to route the call.

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  2. Why is this such a big deal? by raider_red · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The scroll wheel is just a round touchpad and is based on the same technology Synapsis has patents on. It even feels the same as the touchpad on my PowerBook.

    Touchpads are the best thing that ever happened to this company. They're getting licensing fees and royalties on almost every notebook sold, or they make money directly as the component vendor for the touch pads.

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    1. Re:Why is this such a big deal? by Maestro4k · · Score: 5, Informative
      • The scroll wheel is just a round touchpad and is based on the same technology Synapsis has patents on. It even feels the same as the touchpad on my PowerBook.
      I have a 4th gen iPod with the click wheel and after I finally figured out you just moved your finger to scroll (it wasn't immediately obvious and I've not had the opportunity to use previous versions) I've found it to be far more responsive than the touchpads I've encountered on notebooks. I have a Sony Vaio at work and I hate the touchpad on it, it's very difficult to control and way too sensitive registering double clicks even when my finger doesn't leave the surface. (Apparently pausing with your finger on the touchpad counts, I can't find a way to adjust the settings to fix it.)

      So I'd have to say that with the current generation clickwheels the touchpad on the iPod is far better. It's just sensitive enough without being too sensitive and it requires no adjustment to work that way. That alone is an achievement since there are so many different finger sizes out there and different people are going to push with different pressures.

      • Touchpads are the best thing that ever happened to this company. They're getting licensing fees and royalties on almost every notebook sold, or they make money directly as the component vendor for the touch pads.
      And deservedly so, they obviously can make some top notch ones (iPod clickwheel) so they're really earned those fees and royalties. At least they're not an IP company making money via lawsuit. :)
  3. Information? by brufleth · · Score: 5, Informative

    This "article" just shows some pictures of what I can only assume is the touch sensitive plates under the wheels. It doesn't explain anything about them and how they work, nor does it really talk about the "design process."

  4. Missing details by gkelman · · Score: 5, Informative

    but insight as to both how Apple's design process works, and how the scroll wheel itself works.

    The article doesn't say how the scroll wheel works. It also doesn't mention anything about Apple's design process...

  5. no duh! by nordicfrost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a touchpas, and Synaptics makes practically all the touchpads for Laptops, PDAs and mice. I don't think a lot of people thought that Apple made the touchpad itself. AFAIK, most people know that the Apple genius behind the iPod is quality bought components from companies that make them better than you (Synaptics, PortablePlayer, Sony) combined with Apple design and user friendliness.

  6. Thank you for this story! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    I've been changing songs on my iPod by rotating the entire thing around my stationary finger. I sure was having doubts about Apple until I read this - I mean, that's a ton of work.

    Thank you for revealing the secret!

    I'm wondering if there isn't a secret behind other things too, like my TV's remote control. It works alright, but it's tough to push the little buttons on the TV with it sometimes.

  7. Re:clickwheel? by ahecht · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Like all touchpads (and touchlamps as well), the device measures a change in capacitance (Synaptics calls it Capacitive Position Sensing). Each section of the wheel (divided by the lightning-bolt lines) can be measured individually, so it knows which section your finger is on. From that, it is pretty easy to figure our how fast your finger is moving.

    You can get more information on the geeky side from http://www.synaptics.com/technology/cps.cfm

  8. Rio wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's not a clickwheel, it's a thumbwheel. Sony actually has a patent on clicking thumbwheels in Japan. But anyway, the problem with thumbwheels is the same as mouse wheels, you have to "pedal" the thing to go through long lists. That is, you have to remove your thumb from the wheel when you've scroll all the way one direction, then put your thumb back on at the other end and scroll again.

    It works, but in very long lists it is noticeably inferior to a circular wheel you can stay on. Try scrolling through your list of all songs on your Rio. It doesn't work well, and this is proably why the Rio has you select the first letter of the song first and then go to the list (at least the Karma does).

  9. Re:clickwheel? by hattig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cheers! Yes, that is pretty much how I was thinking it worked.

    Aside: I remember having an old Sony Trinitron 14" TV once, and it had a similar system for changing channel. It was very annoying if a fly decided to walk across the buttons, because the channels would change as the fly walked across!

  10. Apple is like James Watt by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They think Apple invented the GUI, 64 bit computing, Unix and portable digital music.

    While I understand your need to troll, sir - I'd like to point you to two famous inventors: Thomas Newcomen and James Watt. The latter is much more famous, as he is often identified (incorrectly) as the inventor of steam engine. In fact, the first practical steam engine was built by Newcomen, but it was Watt who has improved it to the point of triggering industrial revolution. I think Apple is a bit like James Watt in history of personal computing. They didn't invent GUI, but they improved it to the point of triggering revolution in UI concepts. They didn't invent UNIX, but they improved it to the point that even Joe Sixpack can use. They didn't invent portable digital music, but they improved it to trigger a revolution in how we purchase and listen to our music.

  11. Long lists by slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The scroll wheel is a clever big of engineering alright, and it's a good way to quickly navigate medium sized lists -- maybe three or four screenfuls of choices.

    However, the iPod UI designers seemed to take this as an excuse to present you with enormous lists to scroll through with the wheel. My MP3 collection is modest by the standards of most iPod owners (I've not filled 20GB yet) -- but "browse by artist" gives me a list of 209. Scrolling to somewhere near the beginning is OK. Scrolling to somewhere near the end is OK (because you can scroll right to the end, then back). Scrolling to somewhere around the middle of the alphabet is a real pain.

    All they needed to do was make it heirarchical --

    "Artists -> (easy scroll) -> S -> (easy scroll) -> Smiths" ... would be quicker and easier than ...

    "Artists -> (difficult scroll) -> Smiths